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How would you compare Pentium4 2.4B (512KB L2 cache & 533 MHz FSB) with an AMD AthlonXP 2500+ processor?
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my 2.8B(533fsb) is equal to a 2500+ in Aquamark3. A similarly equipped Barton 2500+ scores 29,772 in A3. I'm using cheap high latency DDR333 RAM and SIS 645DX chipset.

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You don't make decisions, let me rephrase that, normal people don't decisions based on one benchmark...

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Barton 2500 is cheaper..

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AXP 2500+ is equal or faster

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These guys are almost lying to you. The 2500+ is on par with the 2.4B using PC1066. They'll point to benchmarks that either favor AMD processors, or use an inferior platform for the Intel processor, simply to convince you otherwise. All cheating asside, the XP2500+ offers similar performance with a MUCH better price...so these guys really don't need to be deceptive to point you towards AMD, they're just being jerks.

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Thanks Crashman!
Since 2500+ offers almost similar performance to P 2.4B, I would reqest some further help. I have to decide between AMD and Intel. All I need is performance + stability. The price is not a major issue. AMD has a history of high power usage and heat dissipation problems.
What would you suggest?
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AMD's largest stability problems have been caused by low quality chipsets, which was fixed with the introduction of the SiS 735...followed by the nForce2 series. The nForce2 series chipsets are top quality. And the Abit NF7-S is a top quality board with great features at a good price.

Todays P4's produce a lot of heat by consuming a lot of power, both companies have gone with top quality cooling solutions and modern boards protect AMD's CPUs. So you're really better off saving money with the XP2500+.

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okay! Which mobo would you recommend?

Abit NF7-S OR MSI K7N2 Delta-L?
Also which memory? K7N2 Delta-L support dual channel memory.

I have never used an AMD system. I would be thankful to you if you would like to guide me building a perfect stable system.
Thanks in advance!

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I'd go with the NF7-S. It uses the MCP-T southbridge, which contains the nForce APU along with other nice features. You'd have to step up to the ILSR to get that with MSI. Both boards support dual channel (not that it makes much difference using DDR memory on a DDR CPU bus).

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If price is no object, why are you not considering a P4-C chip intead of just the B chips.

I don't totally agree or disagree with these guys. Because it all depends on what platform/chipset you are running these chips at. I took a P4-2.4B out of a Gigabyte GA-8iexp (845e) mobo and put it into a Abit IS7. I also pulled my two sticks of Crucial PC2100 but could now run it in Dual channel in the IS7 (865pe). The crucial also ran the gaming enhancement on F1 settings on the IS7. All benchmarking I did showed this IS7/P42.4B to be far superior to the the 845 chipset. It wasn't even close. 3dmark2001se as just one example jumped up over 1800 points with a Ti4600, and the mobo was the only hardware change. Both XP pro, same nvidia driver version, same settings. Sure I would have bought an 800bus chip if I hadn't had that one to use. I also have an NF2 XP2500+. Yes it overclocks well. But at stock speeds I feel that the P4 2.4B in an 865pe is a little faster overall than the XP2500+ / NF2. Of course the AMD route is cheaper though. I think XP2500+ in a NF7 Rev 2.0 or NF7-S rev 2.0 is a great setup. But if money isn't really an object, yet performance/stability is, why not look toward an 865pe/2.4C, 2.6C or 2.8C? IMO those are costlier, but also faster than either setup you mentioned. By all means buy an NF2 XP2500+ before buying an 845/850 board with a B chip.



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Just read your post again, and I agree with you Crash on your points. Again, the chipset is key. And on an 865pe with Dual Channel DDR, the P4B performs much better than even the 850/rambus setup.


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Usually i875 and i850E performance is nearly equal. In some cases i850E beats i875. And i865 is not better than i875

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i865 should be less than i875, but can easily be just as good, and sometimes even a tad better. It depends on which mobo. IS7's have scored a bit better than IC7's in some tests, and usually score the same.


OK, you are right, I'll give you that. It's the 800 bus chips making the 865 better than the 850.
But even so, I'd still stay far clear of the 850/rambus setup when you can have more performance with the 800 bus chips, equal with the 533 bus chips, and more features. I didn't mean to offend any 850 supporters, just doesn't seem practical anymore. i was more concerned was he buying an 845, 865, 875. And why not consider a C chip.


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Not from what I've seen. According to what I've seen PC1066 dual channel performance beats PC2100 dual channel performance on the P4B.

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I wouldn't consider any of that when he can get the XP2500+ and NF7-S so cheap.

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Yup, you both are right, the "B" should be removed from that statement. But isn't the 875/865 still a tad quicker than the Rambus in most tests with the same CPU. Very little difference I know, but I though the 875's slightly outdid the 850 with a 3.06 B chip?

EDIT: this link shows slight 875 lead over 850 with B chip
<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030414/index.html" target="_new">http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030414/index.html</A>

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Would you not consider a 2.6C or 2.8C 865pe over the NF7 / XP2500+ when he stated cost is not the object but performance/stability is. Sure the NF2 is stable, no doubt. But he would definately have to overclock and risk stability for the same performance. I agree the NF7 / XP2500 is the Value champ now. And the prices of the Intels have come down too. Ram and mobos cost about the same, so it's the chip difference in price. If you want to OC the Intel, you'll need more expensive ram of course.


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I'm fairly sure his budget constrains him to a 2.4B (probably a clearence priced unit) or XP2500+.

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Well then, I'll agree with an NF7 (s) XP2500+. I have one of those coming now and hope it will squeeze a little more out of the mobile XP2500+ than my Soltek board is doing. I got almost giddy when I saw $80 for a retail XP2500+. Sat at $90 forever it seemed. Add a $75 NF7 or $100 for the S... amazing.


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Hey,you always seem the most reasonable and informed on these boards.Yeah, the abit nf7-s version 2 is the mobo of choice for those overclocking the mobile bartons and has abit quality at stockspeeds.
 
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Isn't the plain NF7 Rev 2.0 just as good for OC as the NF7-S? I understand the added value of the S with the better sound, Firewire, and SATA Raid, but the For those like me who will be using a sound card nomatter what, has a 80GB WD 8MB ATA sitting around, and doesn't need firewire, I think the the $25 savings on the NF7 is a good idea. I'll admit I almost always buy the loaded board. But I just picked up an NF7 rev 2.0 for OC'in a mobile chip, and I was happy to have a cheaper version available, as this is just a spare fun system.

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