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Is it true that a AMD processors have less of a heat tolerance than Intel and that Intel CPU's have a automatic safety cutout if they get too hot and AMD do not?

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  1. Totally wrong. For most chips, intel says max 75c Amd says 85c. All new amds have ondie diode. With the intel chips, they slow down, amd just shuts off. With the p4e chips intel upped the max temp, otherwise they would always be throttled. ( some may be). The other myth, Intel runs cooler, is now an out and out lie.
  2. Indeed, Prescott runs very hott !
    Athlon64 runs so cool thanx to Cool&Quit that you can turn of your CPU cooler, no noise !


    Toms Hardware Site is a joke !
  3. No not true
    Bob
  4. The new A64 line has no tolerance for heat at all, they are now known for spontaniuos combustion.

    You seen the A64 death thread? The internal memory controllers are burning out without overclocking. No cutout for this problem.

    Seen the THG has a video where they pulled a heatsink off a AMD and it burnt up? I have seen too many reports of dead AXP's as well to say for sure the motherboard's protection is good enough.

    AMD fans want you to believe otherwise...

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    You seen the A64 death thread? The internal memory controllers are burning out without overclocking. No cutout for this problem.

    I've never heard/read more blatant lie than this.

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  6. I somewhat remember that video but weren't those pre-barton core cpu's?

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  7. i am pretty sure FUGGER is a big nerdz with an ugly face, who masturbate himself while looking at video game character.

    He only have one friend and this friend is realy his computer. He never go outside. His life is terrible.

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  8. Actually I do beleive he works at SGI but I could be mistaken.

    Xeon
  9. As far as I recall the athlon XP thermal death problem was first identified by THG during the palamino core era. AMD subsequently issued new guidelines to all athlon mobo makers regarding thermal heat protection, which was the hardware protection circuit mentioned in the above posts which simlpy turns off the power supply if the die temperature gets to high. Rather crude but effective solution, I think the P4 uses some sort of throttling to handle its over heating.

    But basically what this means is thermal heat protection of Athlon XP's has nothing to do with your cpu core, it depends on your mobo and whether it was produced after these guidelines where implemented, which from memory would be around mid 2002.

    Stupid bug.......you go squish now!
  10. Meh. Just won't let the lie die, will you? Never mind that it got shot down six ways from Sunday.

    Embittered little Intel zealot, probably won't ever come to grips with reality. Oh well, not my problem. I'm through with you, and I'm sure pretty much everyone else is too.

    Byeeeeeeeeeee! *plonk*

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  11. sorry on my english

    The temperature depends for processor

    intel prescot are wery hot and low performance
    intel northwood is better choice to get (3.0 or 3.2 mhz)
    intel celeron <- dont think to get one,

    old amd procesor dont hawe block whan thay reach max temperature and just die
    and new amd is not that hot like old ones but whan reach high temp just shutdown

    i prefer intel CPU
  12. Yup, you've pretty much got that down.

    Athlon64 is planned to have P4-style clock throttling, but it's "not here yet." So if that's important to you, Northwood's the part for you.

    Sorry 'bout the flame war, by the way. That sort of happens when you throw a FUGGER in the middle of a thread.

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  13. Dont call me a liar, I gave you link to dozens of chips that had died this year.

    <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=169262#169262" target="_new">You are in denial</A>

    New <A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30732" target="_new">precott overclock of over 5.1Ghz</A> without the use of LN2.

    No heat problems at all, just AMD propaganda to discourage buyers.

    Why dont you do something usefull like add Prescott as a development platform on your AMD fanboy buyers guide or something.

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  14. Shot down in your dreams.

    Everyone here knows otherwise, Thin skinned fanboys like yourself spew crap without even thinking. We see right through you. Instead of attacking me, try and contribute on topic. You are making AMD fanboys look bad.

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  15. Current Prescott and Nortwoods are currently equil in performance, this was done to ensure the billions of dollars in stock on shleves everywhere was not effected by release of cheaper/faster part. This could have been damaging to resellers everywhere.

    Unknowingly AMD fans are still pushing NW sales =) and Prescott is the best chip to buy in a new machine.

    A few SSE3 announced already, several DIXV and compiler applications already available. Intel has a huge list on the developer site, as you would expect all the big names are making the move. Soon A64 will have SSE3 too


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  16. First of all, how do you know that the memory controller of thsese A64s died?

    These guys extremely abused their processors. SOI doesn't like too much overvolting and they overvolted upto 2.2V!

    I've added prescott as SSE3 application development platform long ago, check the guide again.

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  17. Thanks for adding that, The last time I checked it was not on there.

    To my understanding AMD is fixing the memory controller in the next rev but I am not sure if they are fixing this problem. The onboard prevention does not protect the chip from this problem.

    Some people say they were using default mem voltage, some people use high mem voltage. One guy lost 2 at deault mem voltage.

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  18. AMD is improving memory compatibility

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  19. AS far as I know SSE3 isnt that great, one of the only applications the currently supports it does not recieve a noticable performance increase with it enabled.
    You cannot deny that the Prescott runs hot, Im sure the next revision will be a lot better than the current one. But at the moment you cannot seriously recommend the prescott over the northword or AMD64/FX can you?
    Personnally, Fugger, I think that you are so keen to make intel look faultless that you are ignoring the facts.

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  20. Well you can make claims amd chips die unexpectedly, but to say a prescott is the best chip all around is far fetching. Yes, p4s excel in rendering and video editing and some sound editing, but you have to admit taht ahtlon 64 chips are the ebst choice in other areas, for example gaming or compiling. both chips have reason to buy, niether is best in everything; and to your point about sse3, well this sounds alot like x86-64. slowly but surely apps are being ported to take advantage of it, well the same can be said for x86-64, there are some divx encoders that do, also a few other apps. Granted, its not wide spread, but neither are sse3 apps. Yes AMD is implimenting sse3 which will spure on more apps to be optimized faster, just as Intel implimenting x86-64 will spure faster apps ported to 64 bit. Now im sure sse3 apps will be out sooner then 64bit apps, but im just pointing out intel isnt the only company with a new instruction set or such to try and get an edge. Overclocking is not a reason most ppl buy cpus, its for default quality. Of course for those looking to overclock, p4's will do fine. Prescotts whole purpose is to extend intel's line to high ghz while they work on tejas. Until we see above 3.4ghz prescotts, there is no reason to upgrade to them.
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