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March 8, 2004 1:25:24 AM

Im ordering a new system tomorrow and this is what im looking at, its gonna run me just under $1600:

AMD ATHLON64 3200+ CPU (is 3400+ worth the extra $146)
ASUS K8V Deluxe VIA K8T800
1024 MB Corsair XMS PRO High Performance w/ Heat Spreader
nVidia GeForce FX 5950 (is ATI ARADEON 9800XT better)

500w mid-tower
two 120 gig WD's
WIN XP HOME EDITION (should i go Pro for the extra $46)

anyone that has any suggestions, i would appreciate any info/advice i havnt put a system together in a few years.

Oh yeah, ill be using the comp for gaming and a little multi-media

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by lank10 on 03/07/04 10:30 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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March 8, 2004 1:33:32 AM

The ATI cards generally produce better displays, colors, shading, etc. I can't help you with anything else because I don't know anybody that has a FX-64 or even a 3000+ yet. Sounds like a fun project though! YeeeeeeHaaaaaaaa!
March 8, 2004 1:49:13 AM

IMO R9800XT is definately better than FX5950. Both are a waste of money now. Radeon 9800 Pro's are so close and half the price. I say $200 R9800 Pro, or wait for the new cards coming soon.

On that high end system, definately go with Windows XP Pro not Home.



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March 8, 2004 2:03:48 AM

My suggestion is a bit cheaper:

ABIT IS7, P4 2.8C retail, 1GB Corsair TwinX PC3200 or PC4000 for OC'in, R9800 Pro 128MB, Win XP Pro.

These changes will still offer great performance, rock solid stability, and will save you almost $350. Much better value IMO. A64's are fast for sure. But IMO, Want A64, wait for socket 939.



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March 8, 2004 3:03:28 AM

cool, thanks for the help.

i think i may check out the other vid cards. a friend of mine told me the same thing about 9800 pro. i was reading some of the other forums and people were saying that the 128 is only slightly slower than the 256 ?true?, my friend told me to go with the 256.
pro256 is $71 cheaper than 9800XT and the pro128 is $90 cheaper than pro256, so we'll see.

as far as A64 vs p4, i think im gonna stay with the A64. i just like athlon more.

guess ill go with the WinXP pro, like you guys suggest. i have little experience with XP. I always had a thing for Win98se.
March 8, 2004 4:43:39 AM

you could save some money on xp with the kazaa discount...

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March 8, 2004 5:43:15 AM

hahahaha, the kazaa discount, good one.

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March 8, 2004 11:06:01 AM

A64's are super fast for gaming. If you want one and can afford it, go for it.

The R9800Pro 128MB is just as fast as the 256MB version except falls a little behind at 1600x1200 with AA/AF. 128MB is a much better deal. I wouldn't spend more than the 128MB version now. Especially not when the next generation cards are coming soon.


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March 8, 2004 11:36:40 AM

IMHO there is no point in spending the extra money on XP Pro. Pro enables you to connect to a domain controller (which you don't have at home), to use 2 (physical) cpu's (which you don't have with a single cpu machine). There are some other minor differences like support for encrypted file systems, and some recovery apps, but nothing I can think off you'd really want on a personal machine, or that a freeware tool wouldnt do better. Most private users just have XP PRo because it "sounds cooler" than "XP home", and becaue they didnt pay for it anyway.

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March 8, 2004 4:45:54 PM

well im gonna buy this thing in the next few hours, so any last minute advise would be awsome, thanks. right now this is what im looking at:

AMD ATHLON64 3200+ CPU
ASUS K8V Deluxe VIA K8T800
1024 MB Corsair XMS PRO High Performance w/ Heat Spreader
<font color=blue>ATI 9800 Pro 128meg</font color=blue>

500w mid-tower
two 120 gig WD's
WinXP home <font color=blue>i dont really think i have any use for Pro</font color=blue>
March 8, 2004 9:44:35 PM

I would only ask why you are getting the 500 watt PS. I run my system on 350W just fine. It has almost the exact same set up, anmd I have like 6 USB devices hanging off of it. You could probably do anything you wante dto the system with 425 watts. Just seems like alot of money for a lot of watts you would never use.
March 8, 2004 11:23:48 PM

It never fails when a machine can't find a game in LAN Gaming, it is an XP Home machine. Win 98se, Win XP Pro, no problems. I find XP Home's networking to be flukie once there are many machines involved. It works most of the time sure. But I think for $40 more, XP Pro is the way to go. I like the added security. XP home has aweful file sharing security. Share a folder, it's shared to everyone on the network. Can't even password it like Win 98. IMO Pro is the Gamers choice. If your spending top $$$ on a gaming CPU, why not spend a little extra on a Gaming OS. Anyway, that's my opinion. If you'll never be on a network, XP Home is perfectly fine. I've been slowly switching over to pro on my systems. I'd like to do a poll here and see the ratio of Home/Pro users.


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March 9, 2004 1:44:40 AM

Heh, every weekend i play on a 20-40 LAN in a huge basement. With tons of dorks. Most use XP home just fine and i don't recall any issues doing so, but then again it is a bunch of people that know how to disable a firewall.
As for security who needs it. I'm fine without my virus protection and so what if the "hackers" want to destroy Microsoft more power to them, i give them my full support.

But then again, i'm just a gamer, i don't use my computer for anything i would consider important. i would never keep any important files on my computer that i'm afraid to lose. Maybe i'm not using my computer to it's full potential.

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45.5k mark? 85 dollars went a long way. So did that extra 15 dollars for cooling my video card.
March 9, 2004 2:48:42 AM

As if word or excel make better use of it's potential.
As far as xp goes, I hate asking Big Bill for permision to change my sound card, so pro is better. It's nice that the boss pays for all MS hit though.
March 9, 2004 3:20:30 AM

thanks to all. i have ordered the system that i posted in my last post.

as for the PSU thing. i would just rather have too much power than too little. a lot of my components (fans, ram, PSU itself) have some bells and whistles like lights and junk. id hate to have problems just because my sound activated neon cathode is jammin out to some weezer :-) seriously though i was checkin some threads and some people were havin some problems from lack of power, and some other websites recommended 500w for the newer processors. like i said before, its been a while since i put a system together.

thanks again for help, knocked a couple hundo off the price.
March 9, 2004 7:18:28 AM

>It never fails when a machine can't find a game in LAN
>Gaming, it is an XP Home machine.

You mean, its badly configured machine. there is no reason whatsoever XP home would be any different in this regard than XP Pro.

> If your spending top $$$ on a gaming CPU, why not spend a
>little extra on a Gaming OS.

Cause its a waste of money for most gamers, and its not like MS is short on cash already.

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March 9, 2004 9:38:45 PM

Yea I wouldn't complain if i received it for free. I basically hate the idea that i need to spend 100 dollars to use a computer i just put together, it's a weird feeling. The computer itself is useless without the OS.

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45.5k mark? 85 dollars went a long way. So did that extra 15 dollars for cooling my video card.
March 9, 2004 9:47:47 PM

don't forget to order a sledge hammer. sometimes thigs don't fit so well.

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March 9, 2004 10:55:53 PM

Good call on the 128MB video card, often times they put slower memory on the 256MB cards, though I am not sure in this case. Enjoy your new system, I wish I could afford that system.

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March 9, 2004 11:00:16 PM

no need to spend $100 on windows...i have a "friend" that got win xp pro sp2 and office 2000 off kazaa for free...including a key gen program...take that microsoft! (says my "friend")

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Gigabyte GA-7N400 Pro2
Geil 2x256MB PC3200 (2-3-3-11)
Gigabyte Radeon 9200 128MB VIVO
WD 36GB 10,000RPM 8MB SATA
Maxtor 40GB 7,200RPM 8MB ATA133
March 9, 2004 11:22:29 PM

Edit: Sorry for the long post, please bare with me. i'd really like to hear more about your XP Home/ LAN success stories.

Yeah, I hate the idea of paying any more than I have to for an OS too. I wish MS never made XP Home and just gave us Pro for $99 or less. I just buy the lic. now for spare systems, so it's $60 for home, $95 for Pro. But yes it's $85 and $125 on other builds for the full oem. But yes I too hate spending my little income helping Gates increase his infinite one.

Yes I agree to both of you most of the time it's a network configuration problem or the MS firewall is on or zone alarm is running, etc. But what machines seem to have the most configuration problems, whether easily solved or not? IMO, XP Home. We have never seen an issue once like this on XP Pro or Win 98se systems. I am very surprised if you have never seen an XP Home machine either fail to find a game, disconnect from a game, or fail to see other computers on a multi OS network. I have only seen it maybe 3-4 times where say just in 1 game, and after playing many other games fine, a computer has an issue that is very hard to figure out. And when it has happened it has always been on XP home and on different systems, not just one persons system and not during the same game. A couple times it seemed if an XP Home machine connected first it was fine, but once many machine wre already in, trouble started. I don't attend or host LAN parties often, so when I do, I like to game not diagnose someones issues while they game on my machine or worse, while people who know little about computers start getting bored because the games have been delayed. Our parties are small, usually 8-10 machines, so everyone games. And 98% of the time, things run great and it's a blast. But I find it easiest to just have a spare machine ready so if someone has an issue, not much down time and the 2 geeks in the room can keep playing instead of working on someones issues. If I attended weekly LAn parties, I wouldn't mind sitting out helping others instead of gaming the whole time. Anyway, good for you if everyone who attends your LAN parties has perfectly configured machines and you have no down time spent helping someone connect or get configured. That would be nice. I realize that XP Home would be red flagged from the big parties if it had major issues. But Seriously, if XP home is 100% as good as XP Pro and Win 98 SE for large LAN Parties, I'd like to know. If any LAN issues can't be blamed on a lite XP Home, please let me know.

Even if what your saying is accurate, I can't believe that here on an enthusiast site, you guys prefer XP Home. XP Pro is far more powerful, better security, better networking for large networks with domains, etc. Look at how many kids went off to college with their new XP Home based Dell and found that they can't connect to their schools network. Only to call tech support and be told XP Home is intended for use on small networks of 5 computers or less... you'll need XP Pro to connect to large domain based network. MS blows for making XP home that way!

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ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 03/09/04 08:28 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 9, 2004 11:41:21 PM

A little more reading on XP HOME's networking shortfalls.

<A HREF="http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6270-1040571.html" target="_new">http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6270-1040571.html&lt;/A>

<A HREF="http://www.compstar.com/IT_Michiana/xphome.htm" target="_new">http://www.compstar.com/IT_Michiana/xphome.htm&lt;/A>

<A HREF="http://www.oberlin.edu/cit/resnet/XPhome_setup.html" target="_new">http://www.oberlin.edu/cit/resnet/XPhome_setup.html&lt;/A>


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 03/09/04 09:05 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 9, 2004 11:48:28 PM

Sure loads of people do that. Most other's, including myself, wouldn't even consider the Kazaa discount. That's lame IMO. Not to mention illegal, immoral, etc. :) 



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March 11, 2004 1:33:49 AM

Hah! That's awesome about the college kid networks.
I have an update, and i must apologize..
First time though so don't jump on the hah i told you so's,..
My friend Mikey, his xp home couldn't find one of our CS games on a LAN.. Couldn't configure the thing either to work, for some reason we just can't get it to work. If you know what to do for this.. let me in on it. :) 

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45.5k mark? 85 dollars went a long way. So did that extra 15 dollars for cooling my video card.
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