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March 9, 2004 1:48:26 AM

I been meaning to post this, but i just been a bit busy. In my last CPU MAGAZINE (Computer Power USer)

they have a nice article in there about XBOX 2 Design and it says it will have THREE 64BIT CPU"S from IBM and that Microsoft are just gonna take the Design of the R500 from ATI and have it build by one of there designers...

also "the next xbox will not be compatible with the old one and isn't likely to have a hard drive unless SONY puts one into the PS3." "The Machine is expected to have 256mb of DRAM and will likely use Flash memory instead of a hard drive."

expect launch date = Fall of 2005. oh and the 3 processors are going to be similar to those used in Apple Computers' G5 powermac.

Sounds pretty damn good to me

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March 9, 2004 2:14:59 AM

256 isnt that much , if its going to be released in almost 2006....

man , wtf is taking them so long. the xbox is already quite outdated. and the PS2 just plain [-peep-] blows

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March 9, 2004 2:17:17 AM

Braggin rights for who's got the best hardware. Also SDK development would most likely be slowing things down.

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March 9, 2004 2:25:12 AM

Xbox1 have only 64 mg

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March 9, 2004 2:47:19 AM

Mr. Blue better come up with some cool chips. I know some of the Power5s can get below 50w of heat, but having 3 chips, plus a high end graphic chip and bridge is going to require some serious cooling, not to mention power to drive um. My XBox is loud as it is.

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March 9, 2004 2:51:38 AM

i have to say its very dissappointing really. i had heard about the 64bit power pc cpus adn using the r500 design for graphics, but the big thing is no backwards compatibility. it really makes me angry at microsoft, i mean i guess i shouldnt be suprised that they would do that, but still. in my book, its a big plus to run old games wihtout having two systems. hell i bet the ps3 will play ps1 games. i think its a big mistake that could come back ot huant them if this is indeed true. i mena i like the xbox, but i think its stupid for them to do that. all it is is about greed, forcing ppl to just drop their old games or buy 2 systems. i dont want to hear its just to difficult to impliment, its not and that is something everyone knows, playstation i bet you will have it, so microsoft will be stupid to leave it out. i can understand nintendo, they hcange formats every system lol, but xbox... oh well maybe it wont last as long as i thought it would. we will see how things go. i expect to see them all luanch in 2006, 2005 is way too early. no reaosn for ms to rush, since ps3 wont be ready, thier cell chips arent even ready for manufacturing.
March 9, 2004 7:28:37 AM

it won't be hardware compatible, but it should be fast enough to run xbox-1 games under some form of software emulation.

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March 9, 2004 7:45:59 AM

Hopefully it would be a shame if they weren’t somehow compatible.

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March 9, 2004 1:52:53 PM

well ive heard of that, lets just hope they dont somehow screw up the 32bit software emulation, i.e. itanium.
March 9, 2004 2:15:02 PM

That will be hard to emulate a P3 800 mghz on a PPC

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March 9, 2004 5:07:46 PM

i see what your saying, but how many times are you gonna play Halo 1? when freggin the new HALO comes out. or GTA... if you already beat the game why play it more? the new ones will be out. But i do see what your saying and yes leave it to microsoft to drop there [-peep-] and have us keep wasting money on crap. I guess just beat the game, and then trade them in for X2 games.
I just thought it would be pretty sweet running a Game console that has 3 64bit cpus.. lol and the graphics are probley gonna be REDICULOUS.

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March 9, 2004 5:15:55 PM

Come on. MS has always been abotu money, and regardless of all teh bashing people will continue to buy their stuff. They know this. So why not make more? Mr. Gates is teh richest man on earth for a reason. If I were in his position I would do the same thing. He was in it to win it from day one. Being a *deleted for content* is what got him where he is today. WHy change? I wouldn't. As a consumer i can not say that I am happy abotu it, but I understand it.
March 9, 2004 6:53:10 PM

Well thats in the OS arena, this is a game console, a market taht sony owns and is its to loose or gain. It has control of how things progress. The thing about backwards compatiblity is for those games taht were only on xbox, like lets say crimson skies or ninja gaiden. Id like to be abl eot buy those and just pop them into my xbox 2. Will I still buy the xbox 2... depends, it certainly wont be as soon as it comes out like i did for the last one. If they do allow older games to be used, then I would change my mind, since I wouldnt need my old xbox anymore. As far as the xbox goes, I dont blame it for being from microsoft lol, its still a great console. Ill probably end up buying it someitme, but ms will loose some money, at least from me, if they take that out. but its true, this is like chump change to bill gates. the xbox lost hundreds of millions, bill didnt even blink. i dont think he is worried, he could buy out sony at anytime if he wanted lol.
March 9, 2004 7:38:28 PM

he cant buy sony because of law

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March 9, 2004 8:02:35 PM

I doubt he could afford to buy sony without selling half of microsoft. Let alone the law.

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March 9, 2004 8:50:10 PM

LOL, MS would never be able to buy Sony.



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March 10, 2004 1:03:45 AM

[brag, pompous bastard] The whole reason they're releasing it that late is because in 2005 I graduate and they need my l337 programming skillz. This way, I'll develop crazy games, cause I pwn j00 programmers. Hence the delay date- they need me!! [/brag, pompous bastard]

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March 10, 2004 1:48:21 AM

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I doubt he could afford to buy sony without selling half of microsoft. Let alone the law.


dude, the mans own piggy bank could buy sony 2x over. let alone Microsofts expense account on top of that

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March 10, 2004 4:59:56 AM

I'm not 100% sure, but Sony has more assets than MS.

All of MS's, and Billies, wealth comes from stock value. MS could never scrape up enough cash to buy Sony.

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March 10, 2004 3:20:14 PM

LMAO, Flamey, the ironic thing is, this isn't the worst bragging you've ever done, and you call this an attempt at being a bad bragger? :lol: 

Heheh, funny! :wink:

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March 10, 2004 3:44:16 PM

Actually in the console world 256 megs is sweet kinda like 1 gig of ram to us PC users if im not mistaken.
Anyways bad decision by mister bill gates on switching from nvidia to ati in terms of the gpu and even worst decision with those CPUs,shiet im an AMD fan and I still think they should have at least put an itanium like processor in there,pfffft and they go and put in something related to the G5 CPU which doesnt even have true 64 bit extensions....
Good thing I stick with PCs for gaming,consoles are for kiddies :D 
March 10, 2004 5:44:02 PM

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they should have at least put an itanium like processor

Your joking right?

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March 10, 2004 8:23:26 PM

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switching from nvidia to ati in terms of the gpu


Of course he's kidding... look at that statement.

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March 11, 2004 11:12:43 AM

First, I think it's a really smart move to go 64Bits on consoles for a few reasons:
1. IBM have already made really good 64bit CPUs which were also good at 32Bit processing.
2. Why will the transition to 64Bits on PC take a while? because you need an OS that supports it, that means 64Bit drivers which takes a lot of time to programme. Also, you need game developers who are willing that only less than 5% of gamers will be able to run their game (actually, with no 64Bit OS available, it's closer to 0%).
These 2 drawbacks don't exist on consoles, the OS is minimal and all the systems are identicle.
I'm not sure, but wasn't Nintendo64 64Bit? I recall game's graphics a lot better (Zelda anyone?) but it failed due to great PR and an infinite choice of games from Sony's Playstation1.

Second, removing the HD only makes sense if:
MS wants to prevent people from hacking the console and installing their own apps on it even if it means crippling the gaming experience. I know that installing the chip in my Xbox was the smartest thing I've done for my Home Entertainment System - I can move anything over Ethernet (100Mbits) and use the Xbox to view or listen to it; TV shows, movies, photo albums... everything at top quallity and so easy to do. Naturally, with no HD where would these be stored? (I didn't use the default HD but I assum that there won't be a way to install a new HD in Xbox2)
2. MS wants to make more money by selling Flash memory for the box.

I know the HD was one of the reasons I chose Xbox over GC and PS2, saving games is a breeze and save files can be larger (in order to minimize the file size on consoles, sometimes you can only save at save-points). Also, until now the Xbox used a 2GB partition for virtual memory because reading files from the DVD can take a lot of time - I wonder what would be done in Xbox2.

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March 11, 2004 3:09:21 PM

Nice Post. Yeah i wouldn't Doubt that some smart sick bastid will figure out #1 a Mod chip for this thing, and also a way to add a HD. When people put there mind together on something it can be scary! lol...

Well i just can't wait for the release of this thing i wanna see the the graphics. all i am thinking of right now is MADDEN 2005-06

You guys think they will design a new Controller? Maybe something a bit smaller?

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March 11, 2004 4:00:08 PM

1. Making a mod isn't gonna be easy. In Xbox1 there was already an HD and it could be replaced but even that was difficult since it was lock in a certain way. The mobo that would be put in the Xbox would be designed from scratch to exclude all not required features, to make an efficient shared memory technique and to make modding nearly impossible. MS would probably disable what a mobo needs in order to connect an HD (which isn't the same as an optical drive).
2. I didn't mind the controller being big as long as it was comfortable and MS did design a smaller controller after a while. I guess they'd make a new controller (to add to the wow effect of a brand new machine) but still support the original controller. I haven't read this anywhere but it seems logical since the controller is just USB with added power for the vibration therefor using it again seems simple so why not?

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March 11, 2004 6:13:25 PM

well i think loosing the hd is mostly a security issue. they got tired of ppl freely modding thier consoles to run linux lol. i like the hd alot, it is an advantage over the other consoles, and i think it may come back ot hurt ms if they decide to do so. my main gripe is backwards compatibility. youd think it would just be automatic, its a perfect thing to market and to match sony. as far as ms buying sony, maybe your right about not having quite enough capitol to do that, so right now i say ms buys nintendo lol, now that is doable and would add a nice niche segment of gamers to the xbox brand. i wouldnt mind seeing metroid, mario, zelda and some final fantasy on xbox. I could even see nintenod dropping out of the console business, focusing on handhelds, and instead developing software for consoles. in that case, ms would be smart to buy some exclusive rights.
March 11, 2004 6:28:41 PM

yeah i see what you guys are saying. The hard WAS a cool idea, those shitty memory sticks are just a waste you can't hold nothing on them, the HD was a cool idea.

As for the Design, you think there gonna go with a TOTALLY differnt case design? I mean alot of people thing the xbox is HUGE and whatnot, yes it's big but i don't know about HUGE, it's like 1 1/2 ps2's... I like'd the big X design that's pretty cool. i think sony's going with a slightly eye candy'd Silverish case. I read somewhere that the ps3 IS going to be the PSX that's in japan but they are just gonna mod it up alittle. If that's the case then ps3 has a HD. And also that means MS will have a HD. I don't see why MS cares anywaay they sold a system who cares what someone does with it, i mean i can buy 5 and just let them sit in my room, what's the difference like.

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March 11, 2004 7:16:59 PM

170$ for an Xbox, add another 50$ for a chip (which shouldn't cost MS a thing because all it does is unlock security), install some apps and you have something that you can't even buy in a store. I know that MS is losing *a lot* of money but still, they could also bundle a device (I don't even know what to call it) that has storage space to which you can move files via Ethernet and view them. Would'nt that be the feature that'd make you get an Xbox2 over anything else?

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March 13, 2004 7:58:54 PM

lets just say im buying one just because the gaming system has THREE!! 64bit chips! lmao that's cool enough right there.

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March 13, 2004 8:01:32 PM

these games are gonna be in 64bit platform i assume right? better use of coding for the new games? this is gonna be sick..

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March 13, 2004 8:02:19 PM

MS must really have something up there sleeve if they need 3 of these things to power the beast.

any chanches of useing that 64 bit cpu in a PC?

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March 14, 2004 1:34:08 AM

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Anyways bad decision by mister bill gates on switching from nvidia to ati in terms of the gpu



you havent read up on graphics cards in a long time have you

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March 14, 2004 4:05:42 AM

well for me, im not buying a home theater box. i mean its nice to have the option, but i want the console for gaming. this stuff liek the psx and modding the xbox to have further capabilities are just bonuses. i want them focused on the gaming performance. if i want a dvr or network file sharing, id buy a seperate piece.
March 14, 2004 7:32:41 PM

A modded Xbox does improve gaming somewhat (wink wink), though that's not what I use it for.

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March 15, 2004 12:08:46 AM

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well for me, im not buying a home theater box. i mean its nice to have the option, but i want the console for gaming.

Have you heard of the Nintendo Gamecube? ;) 

I don't exactly understand the benefits of 64-bit processing, but it must be good. I can't even imagine what Halo 3 will look like!

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March 15, 2004 12:12:50 AM

yeah i have but i still prfer the xbox :p  i dont need a psx, thats the point.
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