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Holy [-peep-], Intel makes 20x what IBM does each year. I thought IBM was the bigger company. You learn something new everyday.

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I have been saying this for quite some time, IBM isn't what they appear to be anymore.

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<A HREF="http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20040311S0014" target="_new">http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20040311S0014</A>
<A HREF="http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040114corp_a.htm" target="_new">http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20040114corp_a.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q03/4q03earnings.phtml" target="_new">http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q03/4q03earnings.phtml</A>

I don’t know about this statement. They seem to be using different numbers for each company. For Intel they use gross numbers and for IBM they use net numbers. Although Intel still takes the cake for profitability, it’s not a run away race as that article portrays.

I.e. from their websites

Intel gross revenue 2003 = 30.1B
IBM gross revenue 2003 = 25.9B
Intel net revenue 2003 = 5.6B
IBM net revenue 2003 = 2.7B


I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

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IBM is still bigger than INTEL now. The report above only counts chip related revenue. Chip production only account a small percentage of IBM total revenue. I looked up IBM Financial result, it's revenue for 2002 is over 83 billion. For INTEL it's $26.8 billion for 2002. So almost all of it's revenue comes from chip production.

The Fortune 100 List(2003,in millions):
1. Wal-Mart Stores - 246,525.0 - WMT
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8. Intl. Business Machines - 83,132.0 - IBM
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36.Dell Computer - 35,404.0 - DELL
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47. Microsoft - 28,365.0 - MSFT
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58. Intel - 26,764.0 - INTC
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Re:
Intel gross revenue 2003 = 30.1B
IBM gross revenue 2003 = 25.9B
Intel net revenue 2003 = 5.6B
IBM net revenue 2003 = 2.7B


YOur figure for IBM is quarterly results, while INTEL is total year results!!!

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Ah it makes sence now, I thought those figures were a bit low. But still I did think IBM was a very big player in the CPU market, dont they own a hell of a lot of CPU patents?

I bet you when the PS3 and Xbox2 are released IBM will be rolling in it.

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it will be interesting to see if ibm can make any inroads at all in the pc chip market. if its true taht they are planning a powerpc chip for pc systems, that would be very interesting to see. id give one a try, it does have its good points. Id like to see some benches on a power5 versus athlon 64 vs p4. then of course the server benches as well. It would be a tough start, but if anyone could pull it off, it would be a company like ibm.
 
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Ever see the show <A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040202154520.html" target="_new">Myth Busters</A>?

The biggest one being SOI

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Juin is way off base. Do a search.

From 2003 alone.

ARMONK, N.Y. -- IBM received 3,415 U.S. patents in 2003, breaking the record for the number received in a single year and extending its run as the company receiving the most U.S. patents for the eleventh year. IBM received more than 1,200 for semiconductor manufacturing techniques and technologies during the year.
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No one can compete with IBM for technology patents.

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But they're not specifically CPU patents.

That's what he was referring to, and what your quote showed.

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Just a few key CPU and semiconductor patents

<A HREF="http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/products/ipl/ip_patent4sale.html" target="_new">http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/products/ipl/ip_patent4sale.html</A>

IBM has like 40k patents world wide.

I think HP is second with about 20k

I’m not sure about this but I believe Intel comes in at 6k-10k total.

I know IBM has some odd patents like how to pay open source employees.

Intel has some dogs to like how to prevent overclocking.

I don’t think it’s a myth.

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On that topic, i think the INQ a while ago there was something about a company filing patents for automatic software updates.. I think I should look up if anyone patented the IF THEN ELSE structure yet, and if not, patent it and sue MS and Oracle, and die rich :)

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Acquarding to the same research AMD have produce 10 more patent that intel for the lasr 10 year.In the reality K8 is a beef up P6 and is still just that.Do you see Cisco or TI or samsung.Those patent stuff mean nothing

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I think patents stand for a lot as they prevent public information from being used without compensating those who pioneered it.

I don’t think the K8 is just a beefed up P6, but to each his or her own agenda. If it was just a P6 why would they have to <A HREF="http://chip-architect.com/news/2001_10_02_Hammer_microarchitecture.html" target="_new">patent</A> so much of its technology?

Cisco and TI, especially TI, have broad patent portfolios as well.

Do you still believe that IBM CPU patent portfolio is a myth?!?!

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Portfolio is large but all leader from TI oracle samsung intel Cisco are not there do not base your self on this to research to know who produce "more tech".

10 patent for a whole new architecture that not much.That make me think about the bunch of patent audi have on 4WD it take a while before others corp be able to catch up.That important patent the number is not a big issue.You can compare that to SMT patent for EV8 P7 that intel got.Big patent that intel will never exchange.

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Ironically IBM owns a similar <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=7&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=5,944,816&OS=5,944,816&RS=5,944,816" target="_new">patent</A> to the Intel (Compac (DEC)) <A HREF="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=6,549,930&OS=6,549,930&RS=6,549,930" target="_new">patent</A> I believe you are referring to.

It has been speculated that this could enable IBM (and others (AMD?)) to produce SMT (Hyperthreading) CPUs.


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