XP Pro and Hyperthreading

[steve]

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We recently got two new PCs (P4, Intel 865, FX5200 dual monitor, XP Pro) for
software development. After loading VS2003 and our project's code on the new
machines, we noticed several performance problems with the VS IDE and with
our application. Our app., which worked fine on our older, slower P4 running
Win2K, runs extremely slow on the new PC, 5-15 seconds to react to mouse
clicks, even longer to redraw the main window after resizing, etc. The VS
IDE just seems to bog down at times. This happens on both new PCs.

After much wondering and head scratching, we disabled hyperthreading in the
BIOS and everything worked fine.

As near as we can tell, the OS is detects when hyperthreading is enabled
(two processors shown in Device Manager), but our app just doesn't seem to
run right unless the hyperthreading is disable. BTW, the app seems to run
OK on a PC with HT and XP Home.

Google and MSDN search didn't turn up anything. We need to find a solution
so our customers on XP don't have to change their BIOS to run our software.
Anybody run into anything like this? Any suggestions?

Steve

 

[Guest]

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Are both the PRo and Home all running the same service pack and have all the
updates to XP been applied? Did you install the chipset drivers and if it
is an Intel Chipset, you need the Intel Application Accerlerator software
installed.


"Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
news:%235wISNWuFHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> We recently got two new PCs (P4, Intel 865, FX5200 dual monitor, XP Pro)
> for software development. After loading VS2003 and our project's code on
> the new machines, we noticed several performance problems with the VS IDE
> and with our application. Our app., which worked fine on our older, slower
> P4 running Win2K, runs extremely slow on the new PC, 5-15 seconds to
> react to mouse clicks, even longer to redraw the main window after
> resizing, etc. The VS IDE just seems to bog down at times. This happens
> on both new PCs.
>
> After much wondering and head scratching, we disabled hyperthreading in
> the BIOS and everything worked fine.
>
> As near as we can tell, the OS is detects when hyperthreading is enabled
> (two processors shown in Device Manager), but our app just doesn't seem to
> run right unless the hyperthreading is disable. BTW, the app seems to run
> OK on a PC with HT and XP Home.
>
> Google and MSDN search didn't turn up anything. We need to find a
> solution so our customers on XP don't have to change their BIOS to run our
> software. Anybody run into anything like this? Any suggestions?
>
> Steve
>

 

[Guest]

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I would also make sure that the PC driver is "ACPI Multiprocessor PC"

"Yves Leclerc" <yleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:%23UYWYcWuFHA.2072@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Are both the PRo and Home all running the same service pack and have all
> the updates to XP been applied? Did you install the chipset drivers and
> if it is an Intel Chipset, you need the Intel Application Accerlerator
> software installed.
>
>
> "Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
> news:%235wISNWuFHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> We recently got two new PCs (P4, Intel 865, FX5200 dual monitor, XP Pro)
>> for software development. After loading VS2003 and our project's code on
>> the new machines, we noticed several performance problems with the VS IDE
>> and with our application. Our app., which worked fine on our older,
>> slower P4 running Win2K, runs extremely slow on the new PC, 5-15 seconds
>> to react to mouse clicks, even longer to redraw the main window after
>> resizing, etc. The VS IDE just seems to bog down at times. This happens
>> on both new PCs.
>>
>> After much wondering and head scratching, we disabled hyperthreading in
>> the BIOS and everything worked fine.
>>
>> As near as we can tell, the OS is detects when hyperthreading is enabled
>> (two processors shown in Device Manager), but our app just doesn't seem
>> to run right unless the hyperthreading is disable. BTW, the app seems to
>> run OK on a PC with HT and XP Home.
>>
>> Google and MSDN search didn't turn up anything. We need to find a
>> solution so our customers on XP don't have to change their BIOS to run
>> our software. Anybody run into anything like this? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>

 

[steve]

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Yes, both are running SP2 and both used Intel chipsets. From what I can
determine from info on Intel's web site, the correct chipset drivers are
loaded. There is a new verison available, but according to the release
notes, it doesn't seem to be related. Probably wouldn't hurt to get the
newer version, though. Hadn't run across the APplication Accelerator yet.
I'll look around for it.

Steve

"Yves Leclerc" <yleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:%23UYWYcWuFHA.2072@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Are both the PRo and Home all running the same service pack and have all
> the updates to XP been applied? Did you install the chipset drivers and
> if it is an Intel Chipset, you need the Intel Application Accerlerator
> software installed.
>
>
> "Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
> news:%235wISNWuFHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> We recently got two new PCs (P4, Intel 865, FX5200 dual monitor, XP Pro)
>> for software development. After loading VS2003 and our project's code on
>> the new machines, we noticed several performance problems with the VS IDE
>> and with our application. Our app., which worked fine on our older,
>> slower P4 running Win2K, runs extremely slow on the new PC, 5-15 seconds
>> to react to mouse clicks, even longer to redraw the main window after
>> resizing, etc. The VS IDE just seems to bog down at times. This happens
>> on both new PCs.
>>
>> After much wondering and head scratching, we disabled hyperthreading in
>> the BIOS and everything worked fine.
>>
>> As near as we can tell, the OS is detects when hyperthreading is enabled
>> (two processors shown in Device Manager), but our app just doesn't seem
>> to run right unless the hyperthreading is disable. BTW, the app seems to
>> run OK on a PC with HT and XP Home.
>>
>> Google and MSDN search didn't turn up anything. We need to find a
>> solution so our customers on XP don't have to change their BIOS to run
>> our software. Anybody run into anything like this? Any suggestions?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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"Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
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> Yes, both are running SP2 and both used Intel chipsets. From what I can
> determine from info on Intel's web site, the correct chipset drivers are
> loaded. There is a new verison available, but according to the release
> notes, it doesn't seem to be related. Probably wouldn't hurt to get the
> newer version, though. Hadn't run across the APplication Accelerator yet.
> I'll look around for it.
>

You should NOT need to install IAA.

You should NOT require your customers to install it
to get your app to run either. That's bad form.

After you've complied your code, do you still have the
performance probs OUTSIDE of the IDE?



> Steve
>
> "Yves Leclerc" <yleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:%23UYWYcWuFHA.2072@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Are both the PRo and Home all running the same service pack and have all
> > the updates to XP been applied? Did you install the chipset drivers and
> > if it is an Intel Chipset, you need the Intel Application Accerlerator
> > software installed.
> >
> >
> > "Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
> > news:%235wISNWuFHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> We recently got two new PCs (P4, Intel 865, FX5200 dual monitor, XP
Pro)
> >> for software development. After loading VS2003 and our project's code
on
> >> the new machines, we noticed several performance problems with the VS
IDE
> >> and with our application. Our app., which worked fine on our older,
> >> slower P4 running Win2K, runs extremely slow on the new PC, 5-15
seconds
> >> to react to mouse clicks, even longer to redraw the main window after
> >> resizing, etc. The VS IDE just seems to bog down at times. This
happens
> >> on both new PCs.
> >>
> >> After much wondering and head scratching, we disabled hyperthreading
in
> >> the BIOS and everything worked fine.
> >>
> >> As near as we can tell, the OS is detects when hyperthreading is
enabled
> >> (two processors shown in Device Manager), but our app just doesn't seem
> >> to run right unless the hyperthreading is disable. BTW, the app seems
to
> >> run OK on a PC with HT and XP Home.
> >>
> >> Google and MSDN search didn't turn up anything. We need to find a
> >> solution so our customers on XP don't have to change their BIOS to run
> >> our software. Anybody run into anything like this? Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Guest]

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I agree we shouldn't need IAA.

We compiled a release version of our application and when run outside the
IDE it still runs VERY slow: mouse clicks, window resizing, repaints take
literally minutes to complete. Seems to almost hang the system: Task Manager
is not updated during this dead time; cannot click on Task Bar, etc.

We tried running things using the on board video adaptor but got the same
poor performance.

This is all very puzzling since the application seems to run OK on my PC at
home which has a P4 on an Intel 915 motherboard with hyperthreading enabled,
running XP Home.

Just a wild thought but is there any way from the application level to turn
off or ignore the hyperthreading?



"V Green" <vanceg@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
> news:%23MhypiWuFHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Yes, both are running SP2 and both used Intel chipsets. From what I
can
> > determine from info on Intel's web site, the correct chipset drivers are
> > loaded. There is a new verison available, but according to the release
> > notes, it doesn't seem to be related. Probably wouldn't hurt to get the
> > newer version, though. Hadn't run across the APplication Accelerator
yet.
> > I'll look around for it.
> >
>
> You should NOT need to install IAA.
>
> You should NOT require your customers to install it
> to get your app to run either. That's bad form.
>
> After you've complied your code, do you still have the
> performance probs OUTSIDE of the IDE?
>
>
>
> > Steve
> >
> > "Yves Leclerc" <yleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:%23UYWYcWuFHA.2072@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > > Are both the PRo and Home all running the same service pack and have
all
> > > the updates to XP been applied? Did you install the chipset drivers
and
> > > if it is an Intel Chipset, you need the Intel Application Accerlerator
> > > software installed.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve" <noonea@home> wrote in message
> > > news:%235wISNWuFHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > >> We recently got two new PCs (P4, Intel 865, FX5200 dual monitor, XP
> Pro)
> > >> for software development. After loading VS2003 and our project's code
> on
> > >> the new machines, we noticed several performance problems with the VS
> IDE
> > >> and with our application. Our app., which worked fine on our older,
> > >> slower P4 running Win2K, runs extremely slow on the new PC, 5-15
> seconds
> > >> to react to mouse clicks, even longer to redraw the main window after
> > >> resizing, etc. The VS IDE just seems to bog down at times. This
> happens
> > >> on both new PCs.
> > >>
> > >> After much wondering and head scratching, we disabled hyperthreading
> in
> > >> the BIOS and everything worked fine.
> > >>
> > >> As near as we can tell, the OS is detects when hyperthreading is
> enabled
> > >> (two processors shown in Device Manager), but our app just doesn't
seem
> > >> to run right unless the hyperthreading is disable. BTW, the app
seems
> to
> > >> run OK on a PC with HT and XP Home.
> > >>
> > >> Google and MSDN search didn't turn up anything. We need to find a
> > >> solution so our customers on XP don't have to change their BIOS to
run
> > >> our software. Anybody run into anything like this? Any suggestions?
> > >>
> > >> Steve
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

[frodo]

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sounds very much like a contention issue. are you using any mutex's in
your code?; is your code multithreaded at all? don't forget about threads
that the runtime may create on your behalf. how about dll's, and the
dll_init() logic, did you review that for concurrency issues?
strategic use of yeild() can often resolve these issues.

the only real hyperthreading API you can access in your app is the
set_process_affinity(), which shouldn't really affect anything.

time for some major debugging! been there, done that! when you finially
discover it, it'll be so obvious you'll kick yourself...

Good Luck...

 

[Guest]

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<frodo@theshire.org> wrote in message
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> sounds very much like a contention issue. are you using any mutex's in
> your code?; is your code multithreaded at all? don't forget about threads
> that the runtime may create on your behalf. how about dll's, and the
> dll_init() logic, did you review that for concurrency issues?
> strategic use of yeild() can often resolve these issues.
>
> the only real hyperthreading API you can access in your app is the
> set_process_affinity(), which shouldn't really affect anything.
>
> time for some major debugging! been there, done that! when you finially
> discover it, it'll be so obvious you'll kick yourself...
>
> Good Luck...
>
>

Completely agree.

While I don't do it for a living, and keep
stuff pretty simple, I have written a few small
apps for myself with VS and they don't misbehave
on my ASUS PC-DL (dual Xeon) system...