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April 1, 2004 2:08:07 AM

I know this is an outdated question, but I am currently building a box strictly to watch movies on my tv. I'm looking to get a Pentium 3, Slot 1 type processor. The motherboard I'm using only supports 100mhz FSB speed. I was wondering if I would be able to drop in a P3 that uses the 133mhz FSB without any problems.

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April 1, 2004 3:00:35 AM

It would run at 3/4 the original speed. What board do you have?

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April 1, 2004 3:20:18 AM

Not really sure since I bought it off Ebay for real cheap. Its definitely an Intel 440BX based board and I believe it was from an OEM box
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April 1, 2004 4:32:51 AM

Check your frequency multiplier on that board. If it's only 6.5 the fastest CPU you can use would be a 650mhz. I had an old B6X-E like that. If it's an OEM DELL, good luck. you can still find some 800/100 and even some 1000/100 slot 1 CPU's but they are going to cost you. I currently have a P3V4X and a 667/133 CPU listed on E-bay that will probably fetch more than 100 bucks. You can buy a new Duron and a cheap ECS board for less than that. See if you can find any brand name on the board.

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April 1, 2004 4:38:46 AM

You'll want to find more info on your board. Many BX boards could support 133MHz FSB, some went much higher. The BX chipset itself is known to be stable at or beyond 150MHz. Also, if your board supports Coppermine CPU voltages, it also supports Tualatin voltages, which would allow you to use the cheap Upradeware Slot-T adapter for those processors.

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April 1, 2004 4:45:17 AM

Re: The BX chipset itself is known to be stable at or beyond 150MHz

Lets not forget about the ever important agp pci lock. Great as the bx boards were (best chipset boards ever made) no locks on the agp and this could be an issue when over clocking just like on the nforce3-150..

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April 1, 2004 5:15:22 AM

Yes, but unlike the nForce3 150 it has a lower PCI multiplier, it's AGP that could be problematic. But AGP cards back then could tollerate the extra bus speed.

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April 1, 2004 5:20:39 AM

it occured to me that you might be trying to prove a point on the nForce3 150, but remember, this isn't 1999, even if you do party like it. PCI and AGP locks are an expected feature now, they didn't even exist back then.

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April 1, 2004 5:21:20 AM

I don't really care to look it up but it was certinaly an issue when overclocking and NO all cards could certainly no tolerate it... it was a gamble. I know my current 9700pro card works fine with no agp lock and highly overclock but the potential is there and real.

But I'd hate to be seen as fear mongering.

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April 1, 2004 5:22:34 AM

Your the one telling him to overclock a bx board...

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
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April 1, 2004 5:29:11 AM

No, not all cards, just the good ones. Radeons and GeForce2's could go 100MHz AGP clock, TNT2's usually went 89MHz AGP clock but not always, same for Rage 128's. VooDoo cards were mainly PCI and BX had a 1/4 divider available.

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April 1, 2004 5:31:13 AM

If he for some reason has a 133FSB chip at his disposal, he'd definately want to try overclocking the board rather than underclocking the CPU.

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April 1, 2004 5:31:28 AM

Funny how generous you can be when defending intel.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 1, 2004 5:53:10 AM

Re: this isn't 1999, even if you do party like it.

I did not know you had a sense of humor. Now that was funny, and I suppose I do party like it's 1999:-)

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April 1, 2004 6:21:09 AM

lol, you really are a looser, aren't you? OK, I'll admit the thing doesn't include any SATA interface, UDMA 133 support, firewire, 6 channel audio, or AGP8x either. Now you can say I'm favoring Intel because I don't hold a 5 year old chipset to the same standard as a new one. And you can say that because you're a looser.

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April 1, 2004 6:26:21 AM

Oh crash the hostility, is that how you win an argument when you know you screwed up. PLEASE save your childish insults for someone who will actually be offended.


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April 1, 2004 6:44:03 AM

Easy, the types of arguements you put out are only tollerated in court settings when made by prosecuting attourneys. In any formal setting for debate, such comments would be considered out of context. You can't compare apples to oranges. Modern chipsets support AGP/PCI locks, the BX didn't not because it's junk, but because it's old.

Your arguement would have a perfectly preserved Ferrari Daytona Spyder labled as junk because it has no EFI, even EFI wasn't available back then.

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April 1, 2004 6:51:07 AM

Yet you recommended it for overclocking without hesitation. but when dealing with a64 it's a huge issue on the nforce150 even if an idividual never said they wanted to overclock. do you see the point. just trying to open your eyes crash.

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April 1, 2004 7:13:55 AM

I think you're missing the fact that he already OWNS the board and he's trying to use a certain CPU on it. This isn't a purchase recommendation.

Yet I don't think you actually missed that, rather you're trying to deceive everyone else by throwing out red herrings.

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April 1, 2004 7:35:38 AM

Sorry crash the agp lock is a red herring for the most part unless heavily overclocking, only then it can be an issue. You started it with your mountains out of mole hill excuses to avoid a64 because of red herring motherboards.

I'm not trying to deceive anyone I just want an issue to be exposed for what it truly is a red herring, garbage an excuse. BTW what you said

"You'll want to find more info on your board. Many BX boards could support 133MHz FSB, some went much higher. The BX chipset itself is known to be stable at or beyond 150MHz."

is fine cause he owns it why not try. But it's pretty hypocritical when you use that same argument on an nforce150 that is ( NOT ) being overclocked. You always say a bx board was an enthusiast board but when nforce150 has a similar red herring flaw its junk. Now that's hypocritical.

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April 1, 2004 8:26:10 AM

I wouldn't say it's hypocritical at all.

Overclocking features are important to me when buying a new board, and assembling your own rig for the first time is often the first step down a road that ends up with at least <i>some</i> interest in overclocking.

The first time I built my own, I was happy with it, but eventually I experimented with the whole overclocking thing and was held back by the PCI/AGP speeds.

<i>If</i> a solution with a PCI/AGP lock had been available when I first purchased the bits, I wouldn't have known or cared what it was. But if I'd then found when overclocking that such a solution <i>had</i> been available when I'd bought the stuff, I would have been dissapointed.

This guy doesn't want to buy a new board, and is just wondering what his present board is actually capable of.

The BX chipset is a legendary overclocker - Another forumite around here, PIII_Man I think, had a Tualatin Celeron running at over 1.6Ghz on a BX chipset board, IIRC.

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April 1, 2004 12:28:53 PM

Not answering your real question, but a suggestion nevertheless. I got a Philips DVD737 DVD player. It plays about any Divx, Xvid I throw at it, (as well as MP3's and DVD's of course) and image quality is far better than the TV out of my computer. it has a remote, supports .srt or .sub subtitleing and costs like $150. It also looks a lot better with the rest of my home cinema, its noiseless, doesnt require a long boot up process, nor a wireless mouse with insufficient range, etc.

The only downsides are it doesnt have a harddisk or ethernet, so you have to burn your avi's on a DVD, but since you can cramp 4-8 movies on a single DVD, its not that big an issue. Another one is that subtitles are ugly: small, yellow non antialiased font. I'm hoping a new firmware upgrade will improve this.

If its only for playing movies, I'd really consider a dedicated AVI player.

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April 1, 2004 4:03:25 PM

Hehe, now you're just lying. I told people to wait for better A64 boards, and look at the nForce3 250 as an "excuse" for why I said that.

If the nForce3 150 was AGP2x, nobody would take it seriously. But the BX was AGP2x. Would I expect the nForce3 150 to be AGP8x? Of course. Would I call it junk if it was AGP2x? Of course. But would I call the BX junk for being AGP2x? Of course NOT. Why? You're still comparing apples to oranges, the BX came out when AGP2x was the fastest thing out there.

The same goes for such things as your PCI/AGP lock. We've come to expect this feature on new chipsets. Why? It's been around on various chipsets for a couple YEARS now. Am I showing BIAS against AMD by demanding features which have become standard on their chipsets? Of course not. Am I showing BIAS toward Intel for not demanding those same features on a 6 year old chipset? Of course not.

Would I be making excuses for Intel if the 865/875 chipsets didn't have those features? Of course NOT. Do you make excuses "for AMD" when A64 chipsets don't have that feature? Of course YOU DO! Why? Because you're the one with BIAS. First of all, it's not AMD's fault that VIA and nVidia released improperly developed parts, VIA does that quite frequently and nVidia was simply lagging. nVidia caught up with the nForce3 250, yet your personal bias has me the villain for telling people to wait for it.

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April 2, 2004 12:46:31 AM

Hey,

Good call with checkin the BIOS for speeds, don't know why I didn't think of that in the first place. Unfortunately, the BIOS on the mobo has no settings for multiplier, bus speed, etc. So it looks like overclocking is out of the question. So it looks like I'll have to look for a Slot 1P3 with 100FSB. Thanks for the feedback.
April 2, 2004 1:00:02 AM

Hehe, now you're just lying. I told people to wait for better A64 boards, and look at the nForce3 250 as an "excuse" for why I said that.

I might make the odd mistake but I don't lie. you did say all motherboard platforms for the a64 were junk. do you remember saying that?

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April 2, 2004 1:14:23 AM

Well, I mentioned you need to find out what board you have. Several things to worry about:
1.) MANY Slot 1 boards used JUMPERS for selecting bus speed.
2.) Some Slot 1 boards didn't support Coppermine core processors. Coppermine core 100MHz bus processors include the 500E, 550E, 600E, 650E, 700E, 750E, 800E, 850E, 900E, and 1000E. All those except the 1000E were available as Socket 370 OR Slot 1. All had 256k cache, and most sellers don't include the "E" in the name, leaving you to guess based on other information.
3.) The previous core works with all Slot 1 PIII boards, but was only available up to 600MHz. It was available as a 450, 500, 550, 600, and 600B. The B version ran with a 133MHz bus!
4.) Boards capable of supporting Coppermine cores had a newer voltage regulator specification that allowed processors of as little as 1.30v core voltage. That also allows them to work with the inexpensive Upgradeware Slot-T Tualatin adapter, which would let you use a Tualatin Celeron 1400! These are the most powerfull Celerons ever produced, clock for clock, they compete well with the P4 1.6 (williamette) and Celeron 2.0GHz.

So like I said, you REALLY want to find out what board you're using.

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April 2, 2004 5:06:42 AM

No, I didn't say that. I said all CURRENT boards. Big difference. I told people to build an XP system or wait for better boards, depending on how fast they needed it and what their budget was.

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April 2, 2004 5:18:19 AM

You said all CURRENT a64 boards were junk.

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April 2, 2004 5:33:51 AM

That I did. I bet a whole bunch of enthusiast will be ecstatic that they waited for the nForce3 250.

BTW, I also made exception for the Soyo K8USA because I didn't know enough about it.

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April 2, 2004 5:45:25 AM

Yeah that possible 2% gain in performance coupled with with a lockable agp.. yup i'd be glad I waited 10 months to avoid that junk.

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April 2, 2004 6:05:15 AM

Remember my original gripe was with RAM problems. Read Anandtech's article on the nForce3 250, they mention the problems they had with previous chipsets. Also read THG if it doesn't offend you. My hope in the 755 chipset was based on better RAM support, it also has no locks to the best of my knowledge.

The nForce3 250 is offering more RAM stability, increased performance, AGP/PCI locks, and a shitload of features previous A64 chipsets didn't have. Well worth the wait, unless you're a VIA fan.

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April 2, 2004 6:30:40 AM

I think p4-man put it nicely on your junk platform opinion

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April 2, 2004 6:40:29 AM

I'm sorry to have to say this, wait, no I'm not.

For me a lie is a lie. Your attempt to decieve is nothing more to me than another lie. P4-Man wasn't refering to anything I said, he was refering to something someone else said. When you called the opinion of another member mine, it was a deception, to me just another one of your lies.

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April 2, 2004 6:53:32 AM

Why do you always pull stunts like that. No as you fully know he was responding to paul. but it does sum up your pathetic opinion rather nicely.

and quite calling me a liar. It makes you sound so desperate.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 2, 2004 6:57:44 AM

BTW hero, you got a link to somewhere where i ever lied about anything?

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 2, 2004 12:57:38 PM

> P4-Man wasn't refering to anything I said, he was refering
>to something someone else said.

Well, if you like I could copy paste the post here, since it seems the same arguments apply here as well (with the exception that in the other thread the focus was purely on gaming, so I left out Hyperthreading, and the perfomance advantages of the A64 are much more obvious in gaming than overall).

>Also read THG if it doesn't offend you.

Can't speak for Darko, but the review didnt offend me at all, and could have been quite interesting, but I do have to ask why on earth THG didn't test those boards with the latest available BIOS versions. I'm fairly certain those test results showed nothing a new Bios revision or even bios tweaking could not resolve. Its worth pointing out that most of these boards have 2 or 3 newer BIOS revisions out since the test was conducted, and all 3 of the boards I bothered to check had newer versions available well before the test was published, yet THG did not bother to install or even mention this. It renders the conclusions fairly useless to me.

Its also worth pointing out that Anand has complained about the *exact* same issues with several 865 boards, including intels very own boards, I provided the link and quote in the other thread.

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April 2, 2004 8:58:11 PM

Re: Well worth the wait, unless you're a VIA fan.

Looks like anandtech opinion on all a64 boards conflicts with your opinion on all Current a64 boards being junk. I'll take anandtechs opinion for credibility over yours. and I'm still waiting for that link where I am a liar.


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The ASUS K8V Deluxe offers several different advantages and features over other Socket 754 Athlon 64 motherboards that it makes it our recommendation today. First off, the K8V Deluxe's combined performance and price is superb; the K8T800 chipset's outstanding performance combined with features like Serial ATA (RAID), Gigabit Ethernet, IEEE 1394 FireWire, SPDIF, and IDE RAID, among other nice features makes the K8V Deluxe a great high end board for the price. Normally, we wouldn't place a great deal of emphasis on price for a high end system like this, assuming we're not talking over $200. However, for just under $140, it's truly amazing the number of cutting edge features that can fit on a motherboard these days. Of course, this is not to mention the renowned reliability of ASUS motherboards. Having tested the K8V Deluxe extensively, we can assure that you will indeed enjoy a reliable and trouble-free experience for the most part. Overclockers may be especially pleased with this motherboard if they delve into Athlon 64 territory.

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April 3, 2004 12:38:30 AM

I call them like I see them. Deception puts me off debate. There is nothing left to discuss.

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April 3, 2004 12:47:17 AM

Hi P4Man. Reviews don't offend me, except for a few at PC Stats which were written like an advertisement, and those were on video cards.

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April 3, 2004 12:58:15 AM

Anandtech also said the SiS 755 chipset was better than anything from VIA or nVidia, until they tested the new nForce3 250 which is better than everything including the SiS 755. So according to them nForce3 250 is best, followed by SiS 755. Why settle for the left over scrapings when Anandtech said those two are the best?

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April 3, 2004 1:31:14 AM

Re: I call them like I see them. Deception puts me off debate. There is nothing left to discuss.

Ok runaway, so you have nothing to prove me a liar. Thats what I thought.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 3, 2004 1:36:06 AM

Re: Anandtech also said the SiS 755 chipset was better than anything from VIA or nVidia, until they tested the new nForce3 250 which is better than everything including the SiS 755. So according to them nForce3 250 is best, followed by SiS 755. Why settle for the left over scrapings when Anandtech said those two are the best?

yeah well they just finished writing an article about the highend system for an enthusiast.. and over all they picked a64 on k8t800 over intel.

So how does this support your all CURRENT a64 platforms are junk?

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
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April 3, 2004 2:35:27 AM

hehe, scroll up, you lied, you say I can't prove you lied, you've been deceiving these poor people all this time, and that proves your a looser. If I weren't so easily provoked, I'd not be discussing it. The fact I AM talking to you proves my weakness.

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April 3, 2004 2:36:31 AM

And your point is? Intel? Who are they?

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April 3, 2004 3:04:19 AM

Really crash just what post did I lie in. Lying is a reasonably serious accusation one should not make lightly. If I ever lied I'd like to know where it was so I can at least defend myself. scroll up what post did I lie in?

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 3, 2004 3:06:10 AM

Re: The fact I AM talking to you proves my weakness.

No your weakness is your ego, the fact you are still posting is pathetic.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 3, 2004 3:09:34 AM

Re: And your point is? Intel? Who are they?

Intel is a very large cpu chipset manufacturer among other things.

I was merely trying to clear up the all a64 platforms are junk theory you have been throwing around.


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April 3, 2004 3:23:05 AM

Thankyou for clearing that up.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
April 3, 2004 3:54:36 AM

You want a good answer here it is.

Get a pci graphics card! OH [-peep-] problem solved!!!

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