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April 1, 2004 9:10:37 PM

Simple question, which one is faster?
one of my friend was asking me, I told him Duron will be faster...am I wrong?

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April 1, 2004 9:53:32 PM

Duron 1GHz will wipe the floor with a Pentium III 733

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April 1, 2004 10:17:44 PM

I wouldn't exactly say that it will do that. But yes it has to be called the winner. Look at all the benchies in <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-22...." target="_new"> this review </A> and you'll see that a Duron 900 and PIII800E are pretty equal. So Duron 1000 is quicker than PIII733. In something like winrar 3.1 though, the PIII800's blow out a duron 1300.

Now the important thing is PIII's will be running SDRAM (PC133). The durons in that review kept up to PIII running PC100 SDRAM. SO, imagine a duron with DDR on newer socket A mobo. Now, what you said is true. It would wipe the floor. So it is about equal on a KT133(yuck) and far better on a ddr newer system. Yeah, the Duron is better.






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April 1, 2004 11:54:17 PM

The Duron will win hands down. Just get an aftermarket cooler, and overclock the FSB from 100 to 133 and you'll have a nice CPU for dirt cheap.
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April 2, 2004 2:24:47 AM

It would be a lot closer than these guys think, the 733 uses the 133MHz bus which means that even though it would loose overall, it would win more benchmarks where that one advantage matters.

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April 2, 2004 12:41:42 PM

As others have said, the Duron ought to be faster overall, little doubt about that. However, if this friend is considering buying one or the other computer (as second hand), I would recommend against the Duron if it comes with a KT133(A) board. If it comes with a AMD750/760 or a newer KT266A, SiS or even better, nForce board, I wouldnt hesitate long. But i'd avoid the KT133's if I could, I'd be willing to scrafice a few percent performance for that with a smile.

BTW, if the P3 system comes with Apollo Pro 133 board, this is a moot point, as its basically the same crap chipset as the KT133, not much point in avoiding the Duron in that case, well, maybe avoid both of them if he can :) 

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April 2, 2004 3:36:37 PM

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It would be a lot closer than these guys think, the 733 uses the 133MHz bus which means that even though it would loose overall, it would win more benchmarks where that one advantage matters.

...but you could put the Duron on a DDR mobo where you can't with the P3.

If you unlock it you can run a Duron well past 133 Mhz FSB. You might even be able to run it at 133 Mhz without unlocking (since that the Duron 1000 is a Morgan core). Granted you'd have to be a little bit lucky.

Back in the day, a Duron 700, P3-700, and an Athlon 700, all at 100 Mhz and using SDRAM were all very close in performance. The 100/133 mhz bus/memory helped the AMD's a little but P3 had better FPU performance

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April 2, 2004 8:53:30 PM

and piii's dont overclock? Im not saying the piii is better...however i find it silly that no one has pointed out the overclocking potential of a piii 733 can easily hit 933mhz with good ram.

Then again why go for either? a 2000+ goes for what? 65 bux?

If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
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April 2, 2004 10:35:09 PM

Sorry, I should have left in the other paragraph.

I almost said that the P3 700, Duron 700 and Athlon 700 all overclocked to 1000 Mhz fairly routinely.

I wasn't trying to emphasize overclocking. I was trying emphasize how "I" would run a Duron today. That is, I would at the very least run it stock speed with FSB at 133 Mhz using on a DDR motherboard. If I could, I'd go for higher FSB and a little overclocking.

I'm not so sure it's all that easy to overclock a P3-733 to 933 Mhz, today. Where are you going to get PC175 memory? (I've got my OCZ PC150 memory but that wouldn't help a P3 733 very much).

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April 2, 2004 10:49:56 PM

That s*cks! I thought Morgans did better than that. What motherboard/memory are you using. (Your rig link doesn't work)?

My Duron 600 (Spitfire) will overclock to 1112 Mhz, 8 x 139.

You have one edge over me. This Duron 600 won't run stably at stock speed, at 1.5 volt and that's the stock voltage for it.

This thing is power hungry. Needs 2.05 volt to hit it's apparent max of 1112 Mhz. Perhaps it's my my upper midrange cooler. I'm hitting temps of 52 degrees at idle and 60+ at load.

LOL! What really s*cks is, I don't have a motherboard for the Duron and I'm stuck with a crap K6-2 and an even crappier FIC 503+ motherboard.

Crashman hates VIA chipsets but he should see this frigg'n thing.

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April 2, 2004 11:28:40 PM

Yea, and my 1.3ghz T-Bird will blow your Duron into the weeds! So what? I wouldn't own a Duron or a Celeron if you gave them to me! What for? Is this a de-evolution theme?

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April 2, 2004 11:47:49 PM

If I had a Duron I wouldn't waste money on a motherboard for it. (I'm in that situation). However, if I had motherboard and somebody offered me a Duron to put in it, I'd take it.

Durons weren't that bad. In the SDRAM days Duron peformance only trailed an Athlon by about 5% (with the same clock speed). In the DDR days the deficit fell to 15% to 20%.

I wouldn't by a Duron today (unless I could get an unlocked Applebred) but three years ago it was a bargain. $220 for a combo consisting of Duron 600 (guaranteed to overclock to 1000 Mhz), a mobo, and a heatsink.

At the same time an Athlon 1000 would have cost $200 alone and those early Tbirds didn't overclock much higher.

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April 3, 2004 12:51:16 AM

The 733 should give nearly the same performance as a PIII 850 in some benchmarks, due to the enhanced memory transfer using PC133 on a 133MHz FSB. That means it's just shy of the Duron 1000 in a few benchmarks. Of course the Duron wins overall, but not by the large margin certain fans would have us believe.

I always thought the 733 was a bad purchase for nearly anyone, because the 700 was so easy to clock to 933MHz at the same 133MHz bus.

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April 3, 2004 12:53:07 AM

With i815 you could use the 133/100 CPU/RAM split and get to 175MHz bus fairly easily. Of course graphics cards weren't so fussy about overclocked AGP busses back then.

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April 3, 2004 12:53:35 AM

Oh, and I never liked the i815.

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April 3, 2004 5:49:47 AM

How about some more detail?
Pentium 3 is on Asus CUV4X, with 256mbPC133
Duron is on Soltek SL-KT400, with 256mbDDR200
April 3, 2004 5:55:57 AM

Why such slow ram for the duron? DDR200? Did you have to get that specially made.
April 3, 2004 5:57:02 AM

I didn't know about the 133/100 or I had completely forgotten. Didn't that present serious bandwidth problems?

I remember your exploits pushing AGP limits. Wasn't it your Radeon LE that you pushed past 100 Mhz?

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April 3, 2004 6:24:50 AM

DDR200, cuz it's running synchronously with FSB
The ram is a DDR266/PC2100, but since the setting is FSB:D RAM ratio to 1:1 at 2/2/2/5, DDR is running at 200, anything wrong?
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April 3, 2004 7:19:45 AM

Yes, Radeon LE DDR TVO, overclocked to retail Radeon DDR speed, with Hyper-Z re-enabled.

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April 3, 2004 8:44:21 AM

Thought it was a typo. There is no such thing as DDR200, so what you ment was DDR@200.
April 3, 2004 3:34:57 PM

PC1600 (DDR200) was one of the original JDEC standards available for DDR-SDRAM. So it does exist. Can't say why you would ever buy it today. Can't remember, but maybe originally it was alot cheaper than PC2100. Today, yes usually people are running PC2100 at DDR200 speeds in a 200bus TBird or Duron. But PC1600 did exist. Notice also, PC2100 gave no performance boost over the lower latency PC1600 in there benchmarks.


old review of Crucial PC1600/PC2100:
<A HREF="http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=738&pa..." target="_new">http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=738&pa...;/A>



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April 3, 2004 3:36:08 PM

I guess this wasn't really a simple question :lol: 

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April 3, 2004 3:39:23 PM

I wish the industry would use notation like, "DDR200". I hate "PC3200". Dividing by 16 to calculate the clock speed is getting to be annoying. Espcecially when you start using overclockers RAM, like PC3500, PC3700, PC4200 which aren't even official designations. Soon I'll need a score card.

Better yet, here is my bid for standardized notation, PCD-200-2 - "PC" for PC DIMM, "D" for DDR, "200" for the clock speed, "2" for CAS latency 2. PCD-250-25 would be for 250 Mhz part, CAS2.5. PCD-275-3, well you get the idea. PCD2-300-3 would be a DDR2 part. PC-133 would still be old SDRAM.

It's clean and simple and would eliminate a whole lot of text in each memory advertisement.


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April 3, 2004 5:15:27 PM

heh..so there is no real answer to this? :eek: 
April 3, 2004 5:20:30 PM

yeah..guess that what I ment, DDR@200? :smile:
April 3, 2004 5:47:06 PM

I think the answer is that without talking overclocking, the Duron with DDR is faster than the PIII-733.

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April 3, 2004 7:40:06 PM

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Of course the Duron wins overall, but not by the large margin certain fans would have us believe.

In encoding/rendering or FPU intensive apps, Duron should win by large margin.

And if you use the Duron with nForce2, then it becomes way better than PIII 733 in almost everywhere.

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April 3, 2004 7:41:06 PM

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What motherboard/memory are you using. (Your rig link doesn't work)?

I'm using ABIT NF7 v2.0, nForce2 Ultra400, PCI/AGP locked. "My Rig" link works fine for me.

I used DDR333, so memory is not the problem. My HSF suxxxx, so I din't do beyond 1.90v/1.95v

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April 3, 2004 8:18:42 PM

I finally got your link to work. Seems I got a corrupt page or something and IE cached the bad page. (Why does it do that?) Anyway, I'm using Mozilla now on that computer and no problems.

The "computer" I'm using at the moment has a much older version of IE which never seems to cache invalid pages. Go figure.

Nice rig but why oh why did you cripple it with a Duron?

My primary isn't even that nice.

What's the max Vcore on an NF7? I got a Tbred that will overclock to 2.3+ Ghz but it needs 2.15 volt on my old 8KTA3PRO.


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April 3, 2004 8:28:23 PM

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Oh, and I never liked the i815.

Yeah, what happened in that time frame?

Intel followed up 440BX with i810, i815, and i820. Yow, yuck, and yikes.



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April 3, 2004 8:56:37 PM

i beleive it went...BX 810 820/840 815

If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
110% BX fanboy
April 3, 2004 9:12:26 PM

Whatever. Not good followups to BX, in any order.

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April 3, 2004 9:19:21 PM

I bought my Duron with nForce(1) IGP mobo (MSI K7N420 Pro) 2 years ago. After my mobo and died (7 months ago), I bought this ABIT NF7 v2.0. I'm planning to upgrade my CPU after 3 months, most possibly with AXP 2400+

IIRC, ABIT NF7 v2.0 allows upto 2.2v Vcore



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April 3, 2004 11:05:36 PM

agreed...

If only intel added a 1/2x agp divider to the BX and a new SB with better features they would have had an excellent 133mhz fsb chipset.

If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
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April 4, 2004 12:37:11 AM

What about the Via and Apollo's out around the same time. more yuck yucks.

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April 4, 2004 3:57:12 AM

Yes, I was thinking of yesterday's processors on yesterday's boards, er, appropriate to the time the processor was released.

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April 5, 2004 6:16:32 PM

I aggree there. VIA chipsets were terrible at managing IRQs (or would that be the motherboard implementation?).

Too bad they were the only game in town for very early Athlons/Durons.

On the Intel side, who in their right mind would have chosen VIA Apollo PRO over Intel BX?



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April 6, 2004 1:58:26 AM

440BX was a dream. I kid you not, every single original KT133 system I built has caused me grief at some time. Matter I fact I returned from vacation tonight and just answered an email from a KT133 customer of mine. Luckily I built them 2 other good machines to even out my rep with them. I am going to give them a free KT333 upgrade because I'm embarrassed by my struggles with this junker. I absolutely HATE when there is a problem i can't solve. Just eats me up. Anyway, just venting a little. Anyone want to buy a SOYO SY-7KTA-B (KT133) mobo? :lol: 

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April 6, 2004 3:25:40 AM

No, I don't want to buy any more KT133 mobos, not ever. If one were dropped in my lap I would use it because a Duron plus KT133 is better than the K6-2 plus VIA MVP3 mobo which comprises my current second system. There's a word much like "yuck" that I'd use for this system. LOL!

<b>56K, slow and steady does not win the race on internet!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 04/05/04 11:28 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
April 6, 2004 10:05:19 AM

i'm using the PIII733EB with the 815e chipset.
absolutely stable. no pain at all.
can o/c to fsb155 856mhz rock stable, prime95 proven.
I just love it.

A fine day!
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