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April 8, 2004 3:55:51 AM

This forsight has been clouded from me since the very first time i read the first clips of rumors about the next gen consoles... while the pc(cpu) market has rocketed to new performance levels like never before i must wonder about ibm/sony. They are shooting for a processor with the ability of 1 teraflop/sec! If ported to the PC market AMD AND intel would be left with nothing but very low budget cards, at that. Now i know x86 architecture it totally diff from a console... but what says there wont be technologues spun off from ,Cell, the chip being made by sony/ibm. Naturally they would own all rights to these technologies so this makes me wonder... and i have already read that sony plans on multi media versions of the ps2 which would dig even further into the PCs stranglehold on this market.. and well about Xbox2... microsoft has licsenses TMIC (i think that is the acronym for the company lol) for the xbox2 console... and we now m$ has lots of money for r&r so now we see two potential competitors to AMD/Intel ... can you guys please make me feel better and put my concerns into the grave with some good facts? i would hate to see the pc as we know it die

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April 8, 2004 7:46:56 AM

WHAT WHAT WHAT WAHT HAEasf wahwe ah..... I don't understand but I think its safe to say that the PC is safe from the councle. Its just how things are the councle is for games and games only even if its online its games my friend. Its so you don't have to mess around. Now if you are talking about a PC that is the size of a councle that can be hooked up to a tv and used just like a councle for gaming and stuff like that but it also can do everything a computer can we are on the way. TV are getting closer and closer to BIG monitors and so you can hook you PC up to that and you can also watch TV on your PC so the thing to worry about is PC taking over the Home entertainment center and thats not such a bad thing if you ask me. ANyway thats the point of the PC from the beginning isn't it?

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April 8, 2004 9:14:48 AM

Big blue making chips again? OK it didn't work out too well last time, but more competition is fine by me. As for sony, well I'm sure I could never afford one.
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April 8, 2004 10:08:00 AM

Death of PC's has been predicted for ages, it never happened, and I don't see it hapening anytime soon either. PS2 and xbox already offer some PC-style features like online gaming, but as long as its not feasable to use a console for websurfing, email, basic office stuff, printing, talking to your digital camera, webconferencing, etc, etc, PC's arent going anywhere. Even for gaming its main advantages are only that setting it up is hassle free, and the hardware is cheap, but other than that, I see little reason to toss away my keyboard and mouse and use a controller instead. I mean, I could even buy one, but have you tried a RTS or FPS game with a controller yet ?

OTOH, as frozen fallout said, as TVs will become HDTV/high res in the future, I think consoles could become useable for a lot more than gaming, but PC's could also grow into that market more easily. PC's will likely remain the more expensive, but much more flexible solutions. I would not even consider giving up the flexibility of picking my OS, games, email clients, browsers, apps, downloading game demo's, etc for a closed console. Once large screen HDTV becomes affordable and consoler more flexible, I might possibly consider buying a console to complement my PC though. Or I might buy another PC as a HTPC to be a superior console. Either way, my PC is staying, and will most likely remain my main gaming device as well.

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April 8, 2004 9:50:27 PM

The PC is obviously not going to die.

But other companies could well start making their own PC's(parts). I'm surprised that Sony does not make CPU's/computers for example.

And GPU's. GPU's have lots of computing power. I'm surprised that no has used that power for things other than pixel computing. Some integer/database/matrix/whatever apps. could really benifit from the specialised functions of a GPU.

Plus, everyone needs to diversify and some companies are, IMO, very well placed for expansion.




Sony gfx and MS cpu? I think it's possible...



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April 8, 2004 10:34:28 PM

> I'm surprised that no has used that power for things other
>than pixel computing. Some integer/database/matrix/whatever
>apps. could really benifit from the specialised functions
>of a GPU.

Might happen with PCI Express. AGP doesnt let you write anything back to main memory AFAIK, or certainly not at reasonable speeds, so the card could process all you want, but in the end only write the results to the frame buffer to be displayed.. which really limits it to pixel computing.

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April 9, 2004 12:12:45 AM

well sony DOES make computers man, the VAIO
if companies can switch from making software for 32 bit to 64 bit software whats to say they cant just re do their apps for a cell chip... besides everyone knows that sony and ibm teamed up probably has intel by about 40 billion dollars... and thats just R and D.
April 9, 2004 2:05:38 AM

If anything the tides are turning where console's aren't going to exist anymore. Consoles are just becomming pc's. AMD and Nvidia have been working on making a pc like console for awhile with 5.1 surround sound /DVD player and all those goodies for awhile. That will be compatible in running all pc games.

Obviously consoles and PC's are just going to meet somewhere in the middle. A more portable type multimedia center.

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April 9, 2004 2:13:50 AM

I think the main idea behind a console is that its quick and easy to play games one. You have no problems running any games or installing any games because you don't need to install any games on it. One thing I want to see is basicly every computer coming with a Console built in or something like that. Where I can just pop in the CD and just play the game :) .

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April 9, 2004 3:09:38 AM

my bottom line is this:

Cell will do roughly one teraflop

i just googled a bit and a pentium 3.06 GHZ does 18 Gigaflops..
now 18 vs 1000... it wouldnt even be a sick competition... but ps2 is due end of 2005...
Maybe then we will have a 5 GHZ dual core pentium 4 with MBs of cache and some 64 bit athlons at 3-4 ghz.. still i dont see more than 400 gigaflops byt the end of 2005 in the pc world
April 9, 2004 3:18:22 AM

Cell?

Anyway othere then that I think you just went way way above my head :) ? I really don't understand what Teraflops are lol I know that probly sounds stupid but I don't know much about what everything is or does but I do know the very basics of the computer world.

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April 9, 2004 5:34:39 AM

remember what cell is. In Simple terms, it's grid computing. That why it can achieve 1 teraflop. You have P4 in grid computing format, i dont even want to know what'll happen :p 

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April 9, 2004 7:02:23 AM

but ps2 is due end of 2005

PS2? I think you mean the PS3 right?

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April 9, 2004 7:47:01 AM

> I really don't understand what Teraflops are

FLOPS is a way to measure theoretical floating point performance of a (super)computer. "floating-point operations per second". A teraflop is a trillion flops, a gigaflop a billion, etc. Flops are really an extremely poor way to determine actual computational power for anything but very specific, highly paralizable HPC apps, and even then.

To put this teraflop in perspective, 10 teraflops puts you in the top 5 of fastest supercomputers in the world. ASCI Red build out of 10.000 Xeon chips achieves 3 Tflop. Otoh, a geforce FX is claimed to achieve 200 Gigaflops, so 1/5th of the teraflop of cell and not all that far behind ASCII RED, so don't put too much weight on FLOP ratings.



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April 9, 2004 9:35:32 AM

Thanks I think I understand

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