Computer Is Running Very Slow Resources At 99%

[Stef]

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Hi I am having a problem on my xp pro machine my computer is very laggy and
when I go into task mamagment with crtl-alt-delete it should cpu resource
usage 99% it's not suppose to be this can anyone help me thanks.

 

[Stef]

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I have another problem how do I get this in the first place. What can I do to
protect my self.

"Matthew Senecal" wrote:

> Hi it seems that you might have a virus and/or spyware on your computer. I
> would like for you to going in windows and right click on my computer on the
> desktop and go to properties and go to the system restore tab and check the
> box to turn off the system restore and click apply and ok. Then get a
> anti-virus program and do a full scan on your computer if you don't have a
> anti-virs program you can download avg's for free at http://www.grisoft.com
> and anti-spyware program at http://www.lavasoftusa.com to download Ad-Aware
> SE. After that go and download hijackthis for free on the internet and then
> run a scan and save the log and paste the log at this site
>
> http://www.hijackthis.de and it will tell you want to check and to remove
> and then restart the computer and see how it goes there is a virus and/or
> spyware on you computer that is corrupting your system by locking up when
> going through folders and opening them even though you might fix the virus
> and/or spyware with system restore on it's still saved in there that's why I
> had you turn it off. and that should fix it.
>
> --
> Reply back and let me know how it goes. Don''t forget to select yes if this
> was helpful on my post. I always like helping out people with there problems.
> Thanks
>
> Matthew Senecal
>
>
> "Stef" wrote:
>
> > Hi I am having a problem on my xp pro machine my computer is very laggy and
> > when I go into task mamagment with crtl-alt-delete it should cpu resource
> > usage 99% it's not suppose to be this can anyone help me thanks.

 

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Hi jsut always run scans and updates and also keep that program for
anti-virus installed it does a automatic scan and removal every night at 2am
or you cange change the time but it's great and will work out for you thanks.
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Reply back and let me know how it goes. Don''t forget to select yes if this
was helpful on my post. I always like helping out people with there problems.
Thanks

Matthew Senecal


"Stef" wrote:

> I have another problem how do I get this in the first place. What can I do to
> protect my self.
>
> "Matthew Senecal" wrote:
>
> > Hi it seems that you might have a virus and/or spyware on your computer. I
> > would like for you to going in windows and right click on my computer on the
> > desktop and go to properties and go to the system restore tab and check the
> > box to turn off the system restore and click apply and ok. Then get a
> > anti-virus program and do a full scan on your computer if you don't have a
> > anti-virs program you can download avg's for free at http://www.grisoft.com
> > and anti-spyware program at http://www.lavasoftusa.com to download Ad-Aware
> > SE. After that go and download hijackthis for free on the internet and then
> > run a scan and save the log and paste the log at this site
> >
> > http://www.hijackthis.de and it will tell you want to check and to remove
> > and then restart the computer and see how it goes there is a virus and/or
> > spyware on you computer that is corrupting your system by locking up when
> > going through folders and opening them even though you might fix the virus
> > and/or spyware with system restore on it's still saved in there that's why I
> > had you turn it off. and that should fix it.
> >
> > --
> > Reply back and let me know how it goes. Don''t forget to select yes if this
> > was helpful on my post. I always like helping out people with there problems.
> > Thanks
> >
> > Matthew Senecal
> >
> >
> > "Stef" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi I am having a problem on my xp pro machine my computer is very laggy and
> > > when I go into task mamagment with crtl-alt-delete it should cpu resource
> > > usage 99% it's not suppose to be this can anyone help me thanks.

 

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Stef,

Follow these steps.

click to download Ad-aware
http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html?part=69274&subj=dlpage&tag=button

1) install Ad-aware



click to run a virus scan
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/home.asp?j=1&langid=us&venid=sym&plfid=23&pkj=RBMGLJUQIDIJBJQVYEW

2) select 'Scan for Viruses' (accept the ActiveX app that will need to
install)



Run both scans daily or weekly (no longer)



There are many free apps that do both of these functions. If you don't like
these two, choose two others. Also, use multiple spyware removal apps to
catch all spyware (others similar to Ad-aware, not the on-line virus scan. I
suggest investing in an anti-virus tool such as Norton's Anti-Virus)

Drew

"Stef" <Stef@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5127A07E-CAAA-4F66-9547-6470EE8ECC3E@microsoft.com...
> Hi I am having a problem on my xp pro machine my computer is very laggy
> and
> when I go into task mamagment with crtl-alt-delete it should cpu resource
> usage 99% it's not suppose to be this can anyone help me thanks.

 

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Stef wrote:
> Hi I am having a problem on my xp pro machine my computer is very laggy and
> when I go into task mamagment with crtl-alt-delete it should cpu resource
> usage 99% it's not suppose to be this can anyone help me thanks.

In Task Manager, click on the Processes tab then on the CPU column heading.

Which processes are consuming the most CPU?

 

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In article <CC672FE8-D815-4CAB-BAAA-1CF3EE3520B1@microsoft.com>,
Stef@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>
> I have another problem how do I get this in the first place. What can I do to
> protect my self.

First, you need to understand what happened, and it's very good that you
ask how it happened - we need to know what happened, and knowing what
malware you actually got would tell us a lot about how it happened.

In most cases there are just a few paths:

1) Direct connect to your computer from the Inetnet or another infected
machine in your network.

2) You browsed to a malicious site and something ran or you click on
something to run it - you may not have know about it at the time.

3) You were using another program and clicked on a malicious link or on
an attachment in an email which ran something....

If you have cable/dsl you need at least a NAT Router installed between
your internet connection device and your computer

If #2 - then you need a different browser, use FireFox for any site that
you can, some banking sites need IE, but most everything works with
FireFox.

If #3 - then you need to use a different product, update that product,
or you need AV software that scans email and removes things before you
get them. Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
your PC, get one that does. You also need one that stays resident, gets
frequent updates (nightly), and to learn about using non-Microsoft email
and browser clients.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
>
Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
> your PC, get one that does.

Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers NO
additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It would
seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.

Alias

 

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In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> >
> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
> > your PC, get one that does.
>
> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers NO
> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It would
> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.

It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d967454fd941c9b98a0ac@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
>> >
>> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
>> > your PC, get one that does.
>>
>> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers NO
>> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It would
>> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.
>
> It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
> Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.

State that on an OE newsgroup and see what happens.

Alias

 

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In article <eY8d9X#uFHA.1516@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d967454fd941c9b98a0ac@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> > In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >>
> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> >> >
> >> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
> >> > your PC, get one that does.
> >>
> >> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers NO
> >> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It would
> >> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.
> >
> > It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
> > Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.
>
> State that on an OE newsgroup and see what happens.

I can state it anywhere I want, as I have actual experience that none of
the users we know have any issues with it, none at all. While most of
our clients, their friends, and family we know, do not experience any
issues, it could be due to the fact that their systems are not already
compromised.

I have more than 80 residents between two sororities that are using OE
with Norton AV and AVG (and one with Panda) that are not having any
issues with it, not last year and not this year.

If you know people that are having problems, maybe they have other
stability issues with their system.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d967c56612698c298a0ae@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <eY8d9X#uFHA.1516@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d967454fd941c9b98a0ac@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
>> > In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
>> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
>> >>
>> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
>> >> > your PC, get one that does.
>> >>
>> >> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers
>> >> NO
>> >> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It
>> >> would
>> >> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.
>> >
>> > It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
>> > Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.
>>
>> State that on an OE newsgroup and see what happens.
>
> I can state it anywhere I want, as I have actual experience that none of
> the users we know have any issues with it, none at all. While most of
> our clients, their friends, and family we know, do not experience any
> issues, it could be due to the fact that their systems are not already
> compromised.
>
> I have more than 80 residents between two sororities that are using OE
> with Norton AV and AVG (and one with Panda) that are not having any
> issues with it, not last year and not this year.
>
> If you know people that are having problems, maybe they have other
> stability issues with their system.
>
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>
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Per Norton....

Norton AntiVirus email scanning is not compatible with Internet service
providers using Secured Socket Layer protocol
Situation:
You have an Internet service provider (ISP) that uses the Secured Socket
Layer (SSL) protocol to download email to its incoming POP3 server. When you
configure Norton AntiVirus email scanning to scan email attachments, the
program does not appear to scan email attachments. You may also see the
error message "An encrypted email connection has been detected. Please see
help for more information on how to transmit encrypted email."

Solution:
Norton AntiVirus email scanning does not work with an ISP that is using the
SSL protocol. Also, Norton AntiVirus email scanning will only scan email
that arrives on default ports 110 or 25.

If your ISP uses the SSL protocol, then you must disable email scanning in
order to send and receive email. Read the document Turning on or turning off
email scanning in Norton AntiVirus for information on how to disable email
scanning.

 

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I can backup Leythos on this. I have been using OE to get my e-mail since I
was using '98SE, I have always used SystemSuite (3.0 to now Pro 6). I have
always used the e-mail scan. I have never had a corrupted file on OE, and
have stopped 100's of virus from being downloaded from my ISP mail accounts
as well as hotmail when they were "scanned by McAjunk for your protection".
Maybe the crouption comes from McA*** or No**on's software. But not all
antivirus software is like those two pieces (thank G**).

"old" devildog
-- Semper Fi --
Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig.
The original point and click interface was a Smith and Wesson.
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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d967c56612698c298a0ae@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
| In article <eY8d9X#uFHA.1516@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
| maskedandanonymous.org says...
| >
| > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
| > news:MPG.1d967454fd941c9b98a0ac@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
| > > In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
| > > maskedandanonymous.org says...
| > >>
| > >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
| > >> >
| > >> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
| > >> > your PC, get one that does.
| > >>
| > >> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning
offers NO
| > >> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It
would
| > >> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.
| > >
| > > It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
| > > Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.
| >
| > State that on an OE newsgroup and see what happens.
|
| I can state it anywhere I want, as I have actual experience that none of
| the users we know have any issues with it, none at all. While most of
| our clients, their friends, and family we know, do not experience any
| issues, it could be due to the fact that their systems are not already
| compromised.
|
| I have more than 80 residents between two sororities that are using OE
| with Norton AV and AVG (and one with Panda) that are not having any
| issues with it, not last year and not this year.
|
| If you know people that are having problems, maybe they have other
| stability issues with their system.
|
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|
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In article <OBv4Fd#uFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, fake@nowhere.org
says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d967c56612698c298a0ae@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> > In article <eY8d9X#uFHA.1516@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >>
> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.1d967454fd941c9b98a0ac@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> >> > In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> >> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
> >> >> > your PC, get one that does.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers
> >> >> NO
> >> >> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It
> >> >> would
> >> >> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.
> >> >
> >> > It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
> >> > Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.
> >>
> >> State that on an OE newsgroup and see what happens.
> >
> > I can state it anywhere I want, as I have actual experience that none of
> > the users we know have any issues with it, none at all. While most of
> > our clients, their friends, and family we know, do not experience any
> > issues, it could be due to the fact that their systems are not already
> > compromised.
> >
> > I have more than 80 residents between two sororities that are using OE
> > with Norton AV and AVG (and one with Panda) that are not having any
> > issues with it, not last year and not this year.
> >
> > If you know people that are having problems, maybe they have other
> > stability issues with their system.
> >
> > --
> >
> > spam999free@rrohio.com
> > remove 999 in order to email me
>
> Per Norton....
>
> Norton AntiVirus email scanning is not compatible with Internet service
> providers using Secured Socket Layer protocol
> Situation:
> You have an Internet service provider (ISP) that uses the Secured Socket
> Layer (SSL) protocol to download email to its incoming POP3 server. When you
> configure Norton AntiVirus email scanning to scan email attachments, the
> program does not appear to scan email attachments. You may also see the
> error message "An encrypted email connection has been detected. Please see
> help for more information on how to transmit encrypted email."
>
> Solution:
> Norton AntiVirus email scanning does not work with an ISP that is using the
> SSL protocol. Also, Norton AntiVirus email scanning will only scan email
> that arrives on default ports 110 or 25.
>
> If your ISP uses the SSL protocol, then you must disable email scanning in
> order to send and receive email. Read the document Turning on or turning off
> email scanning in Norton AntiVirus for information on how to disable email
> scanning.

Thanks for the info - I have never run into anyone using a SSL
connection to pull POP email.

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Leythos wrote:
> Thanks for the info - I have never run into anyone using a SSL
> connection to pull POP email.

Get a real ISP, then!

Mine's been using SSL for 2 yrs+.

 

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In article <RI2Xe.43220$1g2.17599@fe05.lga>, Z@no.spam says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > Thanks for the info - I have never run into anyone using a SSL
> > connection to pull POP email.
>
> Get a real ISP, then!
>
> Mine's been using SSL for 2 yrs+.

I don't need a mail server from an ISP, I have my own email server. I've
not seen many of the big ones providing SSL instructions on their
support sites.

Maybe you would want to post who your provider is so that we could look
at how they have it setup?

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d967c56612698c298a0ae@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <eY8d9X#uFHA.1516@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d967454fd941c9b98a0ac@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
>> > In article <eFQb#73uFHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
>> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
>> >>
>> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> Many cheap AV software doesn't scan email as it comes in to
>> >> > your PC, get one that does.
>> >>
>> >> Bad advice for anyone that uses Outlook Express. Email scanning offers
>> >> NO
>> >> additional protection and can and will corrupt Outlook Express. It
>> >> would
>> >> seem to me that you would know that, Leythos.
>> >
>> > It seems to work for all of the people we know using OE with NAV and
>> > Symantec and AVG products - not one corruption on any of them.
>>
>> State that on an OE newsgroup and see what happens.
>
> I can state it anywhere I want, as I have actual experience that none of
> the users we know have any issues with it, none at all. While most of
> our clients, their friends, and family we know, do not experience any
> issues, it could be due to the fact that their systems are not already
> compromised.

You don't have the balls to state this on
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
>
> I have more than 80 residents between two sororities that are using OE
> with Norton AV and AVG (and one with Panda) that are not having any
> issues with it, not last year and not this year.
>
> If you know people that are having problems, maybe they have other
> stability issues with their system.

From: http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

Antivirus software invades the Outlook Express program to try and intercept
(incoming and, in some cases, outgoing) messages that might contain virus.
The problem with this approach is that the antivirus software can trigger
the destruction of an entire message folder or the entire message store,
when it attempts to remove a message containing a potential virus.

Because of the fragility of the OE message store structure and its
propensity for destruction, this applies to just about any antivirus program
that touches the OE message store. So its best to follow these instructions
regardless of what antivirus program you use.

To prevent the possibility of such destruction occuring, turn off email
scanning in your antivirus software. You will still be protected against
infection. If you attempt to open a message attachment containing a
potential virus, then your antivirus software will recognize that your are
attempting to infect your system, and will block you from doing so.

The best practice on the user's part is to save an attachment to disk and
then scan it with the antivirus software prior to opening it. Messages
opened themselves (if you have the latest security updates from Windows
Update) will not infect your system -- only attachments. You do not need
additional email scanning on top of your system being continuosly scanned by
antivirus software, so turn off email scanning to prevent destruction of
your message store.

From a newsgroup post by Frank Saunders, MS-MVP:
From
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/df0a595864594c86852567ac0063608c/65434372961d321d8825687f000003f8?OpenDocument&src=tr&Highlight=0,email,protection

Disabling email protection does not leave you vulnerable to viruses and
malicious software in email. It is a separate layer of protection in
addition to Auto-Protect. Auto-Protect scans any incoming files, including
email, as they are saved to your hard drive. As long as you keep your virus
definitions up to date with LiveUpdate, and keep Auto-Protect enabled and
set to scan files as they are created or downloaded, your system is fully
protected.

See also the section on "Is it safe to disable email scanning" here:
http://service1.symantec.com/support/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2002071214223706

Cody

 

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In article <OfsHotDvFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
> The best practice on the user's part is to save an attachment to disk and
> then scan it with the antivirus software prior to opening it. Messages
> opened themselves (if you have the latest security updates from Windows
> Update) will not infect your system -- only attachments. You do not need
> additional email scanning on top of your system being continuosly scanned by
> antivirus software, so turn off email scanning to prevent destruction of
> your message store.

You misunderstand how it works - the email is scanned in the POP session
between the computer and the ISP, it's not scanned in the Outlook
message file on the workstation. No-one scans the message file that
outlook uses, same with the exchange store files, you scan the SESSION
(port traffic) between your application pulling on POP and the ISP
server - the virus scanner sits between the two and has nothing to do
with the Outlook Message File on your computer.

You should really understand before you start ranting.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d9727652813473f98a0b8@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <OfsHotDvFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>> The best practice on the user's part is to save an attachment to disk and
>> then scan it with the antivirus software prior to opening it. Messages
>> opened themselves (if you have the latest security updates from Windows
>> Update) will not infect your system -- only attachments. You do not need
>> additional email scanning on top of your system being continuosly scanned
>> by
>> antivirus software, so turn off email scanning to prevent destruction of
>> your message store.
>
> You misunderstand how it works - the email is scanned in the POP session
> between the computer and the ISP, it's not scanned in the Outlook
> message file on the workstation. No-one scans the message file that
> outlook uses, same with the exchange store files, you scan the SESSION
> (port traffic) between your application pulling on POP and the ISP
> server - the virus scanner sits between the two and has nothing to do
> with the Outlook Message File on your computer.
>
> You should really understand before you start ranting.

I am not an expert. You don't have the balls to state this on
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress, do you? That's
where the experts are and that's where it is on topic and where the experts
can explain why scanning for viruses in OE is not a good idea. Can you do
it? I crossposted this message there for your convenience.

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In article <#RvQN8EvFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d9727652813473f98a0b8@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> > In article <OfsHotDvFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
> >> The best practice on the user's part is to save an attachment to disk and
> >> then scan it with the antivirus software prior to opening it. Messages
> >> opened themselves (if you have the latest security updates from Windows
> >> Update) will not infect your system -- only attachments. You do not need
> >> additional email scanning on top of your system being continuosly scanned
> >> by
> >> antivirus software, so turn off email scanning to prevent destruction of
> >> your message store.
> >
> > You misunderstand how it works - the email is scanned in the POP session
> > between the computer and the ISP, it's not scanned in the Outlook
> > message file on the workstation. No-one scans the message file that
> > outlook uses, same with the exchange store files, you scan the SESSION
> > (port traffic) between your application pulling on POP and the ISP
> > server - the virus scanner sits between the two and has nothing to do
> > with the Outlook Message File on your computer.
> >
> > You should really understand before you start ranting.
>
> I am not an expert. You don't have the balls to state this on
> microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress, do you? That's
> where the experts are and that's where it is on topic and where the experts
> can explain why scanning for viruses in OE is not a good idea. Can you do
> it? I crossposted this message there for your convenience.

I've never been in that group, don't care if you cross-post it, and
don't expect any issues with my direct statement from anyone that has a
clue.

Now, just to make sure, we're talking about AV scanners that scan the
POP and SMTP sessions inbound and outbound for malware/malicious content
- just because you don't know the difference between scanning a session
and scanning a file it's not going to change my statement.

AV scanners that scan the mail sessions are not going to corrupt the
Outlook Express file on your drive.

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In article <#RvQN8EvFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
maskedandanonymous.org says...
> I am not an expert. You don't have the balls to state this on
> microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress, do you?

Why are you so confrontational? If you don't have a clue, maybe you
should research a little before you jump on those that do have a clue.

You do understand that scanning a session, port traffic, for content has
nothing to do with the file used by Outlook Express? Do you or don't you
understand that?

If the application acts as a proxy to filter content according to the
standards for POP/SMTP, the only thing that can trash the outlook FILE
is outlook itself.

If you have real-time AV scanning, and you allow it to scan the actual
FILE that outlook stores it's information in then you can have issues,
but nothing I stated indicated that you should scan the FILE that
outlook uses.

In case you don't understand other things - you also make exceptions for
the Exchange Store and other items for exchange, for SQL database files,
for some AV files where they download/expand Zip files, etc....

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d9730af4f26f47b98a0ba@news-server.columbus.rr.com
> In article <#RvQN8EvFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d9727652813473f98a0b8@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
>>> In article <OfsHotDvFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
>>> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>>>> The best practice on the user's part is to save an attachment to
>>>> disk and then scan it with the antivirus software prior to opening
>>>> it. Messages opened themselves (if you have the latest security
>>>> updates from Windows Update) will not infect your system -- only
>>>> attachments. You do not need additional email scanning on top of
>>>> your system being continuosly scanned by
>>>> antivirus software, so turn off email scanning to prevent
>>>> destruction of your message store.
>>>
>>> You misunderstand how it works - the email is scanned in the POP
>>> session between the computer and the ISP, it's not scanned in the
>>> Outlook message file on the workstation. No-one scans the message
>>> file that outlook uses, same with the exchange store files, you
>>> scan the SESSION (port traffic) between your application pulling on
>>> POP and the ISP server - the virus scanner sits between the two and
>>> has nothing to do with the Outlook Message File on your computer.
>>>
>>> You should really understand before you start ranting.
>>
>> I am not an expert. You don't have the balls to state this on
>> microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress, do you?
>> That's where the experts are and that's where it is on topic and
>> where the experts can explain why scanning for viruses in OE is not
>> a good idea. Can you do it? I crossposted this message there for
>> your convenience.
>
> I've never been in that group, don't care if you cross-post it, and
> don't expect any issues with my direct statement from anyone that has
> a clue.
>
> Now, just to make sure, we're talking about AV scanners that scan the
> POP and SMTP sessions inbound and outbound for malware/malicious
> content - just because you don't know the difference between scanning
> a session and scanning a file it's not going to change my statement.
>
> AV scanners that scan the mail sessions are not going to corrupt the
> Outlook Express file on your drive.

Theoretically you are correct. However, both Norton and McAfee (especially
McAfee) have been known to wipe entire folders in OE. Don't know how they
manage that, but they do.

Any anti-virus, in order to scan the email, places a proxy between the mail
program and leaving the computer. So does an anti-spam program. The
incoming mail goes to that proxy and gets scanned before it is delivered to
the mail program In either case this delay is often interpreted by the mail
program as a lost connection and it stops the receive function with an error
message.

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Then explain why Norton will quarantine the whole inbox in OE, Netscape
mail, Eudora, and it does this on Mac's also and Mac's are not effected by
most windows viruses. Norton is the only AV that I have seen that does this.
Norton reps could not fix this on any of our 8000 systems Mac included. We
tracked it down to certain viruses like the blaster worm and its variants.
The only work around, not fix, is to manually delete the virus from the
server first and configure Norton to not scan dbx files in its weekly scans
or auto protect. That leaves emails completely unprotected.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d9730af4f26f47b98a0ba@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <#RvQN8EvFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
> maskedandanonymous.org says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1d9727652813473f98a0b8@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
>> > In article <OfsHotDvFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, aka@[notme]
>> > maskedandanonymous.org says...
>> >> The best practice on the user's part is to save an attachment to disk
>> >> and
>> >> then scan it with the antivirus software prior to opening it. Messages
>> >> opened themselves (if you have the latest security updates from
>> >> Windows
>> >> Update) will not infect your system -- only attachments. You do not
>> >> need
>> >> additional email scanning on top of your system being continuosly
>> >> scanned
>> >> by
>> >> antivirus software, so turn off email scanning to prevent destruction
>> >> of
>> >> your message store.
>> >
>> > You misunderstand how it works - the email is scanned in the POP
>> > session
>> > between the computer and the ISP, it's not scanned in the Outlook
>> > message file on the workstation. No-one scans the message file that
>> > outlook uses, same with the exchange store files, you scan the SESSION
>> > (port traffic) between your application pulling on POP and the ISP
>> > server - the virus scanner sits between the two and has nothing to do
>> > with the Outlook Message File on your computer.
>> >
>> > You should really understand before you start ranting.
>>
>> I am not an expert. You don't have the balls to state this on
>> microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress, do you? That's
>> where the experts are and that's where it is on topic and where the
>> experts
>> can explain why scanning for viruses in OE is not a good idea. Can you do
>> it? I crossposted this message there for your convenience.
>
> I've never been in that group, don't care if you cross-post it, and
> don't expect any issues with my direct statement from anyone that has a
> clue.
>
> Now, just to make sure, we're talking about AV scanners that scan the
> POP and SMTP sessions inbound and outbound for malware/malicious content
> - just because you don't know the difference between scanning a session
> and scanning a file it's not going to change my statement.
>
> AV scanners that scan the mail sessions are not going to corrupt the
> Outlook Express file on your drive.
>
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pcbutts1 wrote:
> Then explain why Norton will quarantine the whole inbox in OE, Netscape
> mail, Eudora, and it does this on Mac's also and Mac's are not effected by
> most windows viruses. Norton is the only AV that I have seen that does this.

Perhaps the user had the real-time component disabled, or the e-mail
component disabled or improperly configured or maybe the malware was
unknown when it was first d/l-ed from the POP server into the Inbox but
found later, after definitions had been updated.

 

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In article <iMgXe.64$ri6.57@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, pcbutts1
@seedsv.com says...
> Then explain why Norton will quarantine the whole inbox in OE, Netscape
> mail, Eudora, and it does this on Mac's also and Mac's are not effected by
> most windows viruses. Norton is the only AV that I have seen that does this.
> Norton reps could not fix this on any of our 8000 systems Mac included. We
> tracked it down to certain viruses like the blaster worm and its variants.
> The only work around, not fix, is to manually delete the virus from the
> server first and configure Norton to not scan dbx files in its weekly scans
> or auto protect. That leaves emails completely unprotected.

You didn't use the software properly if you had that problem. I have
been using Norton and Symantec since they were out on the market, have
more than 1000+ nodes using it, and the only time we have any issues is
when the exclusions are not properly setup, when some idiot installs a
service that uses files and doesn't properly check the AV settings or
specifics vs his software.

As for outlook, why would you scan the outlook file? Why would not just
scan the SMTP and POP sessions (or IMAP) for bad things so that they are
removed without impact to the files.

The only time I've seen Norton screw up a INBOX is when it was scanning
the files themselves instead of the sessions (smtp/pop) - if you don't
set it up properly then you can't really complain.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d97ae45a38ea8f98a0c2@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
> In article <iMgXe.64$ri6.57@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, pcbutts1
> @seedsv.com says...
>> Then explain why Norton will quarantine the whole inbox in OE, Netscape
>> mail, Eudora, and it does this on Mac's also and Mac's are not effected
>> by
>> most windows viruses. Norton is the only AV that I have seen that does
>> this.
>> Norton reps could not fix this on any of our 8000 systems Mac included.
>> We
>> tracked it down to certain viruses like the blaster worm and its
>> variants.
>> The only work around, not fix, is to manually delete the virus from the
>> server first and configure Norton to not scan dbx files in its weekly
>> scans
>> or auto protect. That leaves emails completely unprotected.
>
> You didn't use the software properly if you had that problem. I have
> been using Norton and Symantec since they were out on the market, have
> more than 1000+ nodes using it, and the only time we have any issues is
> when the exclusions are not properly setup, when some idiot installs a
> service that uses files and doesn't properly check the AV settings or
> specifics vs his software.
>
> As for outlook, why would you scan the outlook file? Why would not just
> scan the SMTP and POP sessions (or IMAP) for bad things so that they are
> removed without impact to the files.
>
> The only time I've seen Norton screw up a INBOX is when it was scanning
> the files themselves instead of the sessions (smtp/pop) - if you don't
> set it up properly then you can't really complain.
>
> --

Add me to the confused list. I am using Norton AV 2002 and have *.dbx in my
exclusions and also have both incoming and outgoing emails check for
scanning. I this a reaonably correct configuration?

I can find nowhere in the NAV Options setup to scan the SMTP and POP
sessions. What am I missing.

Thank you for any thoughts you might have for this mixed up user.

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