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Good news : NO MORE Win98/ME support!

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April 30, 2004 11:32:00 PM

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15642" target="_new">The article</A>

Well, finally Win98 will net receive support anymore! This news makes my day! I'm so tired to support Win98, it is so instable and unrelieable.

OK, please don't start a war, because I know there is some "Win98 FANS" out there, and I wish they are not THGC members, if you are, you should be BANNED! :smile:

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April 30, 2004 11:37:56 PM

I're read this before. I agree that it's a great. It's the second nail in the coffin of Win98/Me (first was no HT support)

I think it will have good effect, since most of the Win98 freaks are Intel user

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May 1, 2004 12:39:01 AM

Untrue. I've ran 98SE for over a month at a time without crashes using nothing more than a memory manager to prevent the sole weakness at that time: memory leaks. XP crashes on me just as often as 98SE ever did, and it's usually harder to fix when bad things happen to the installation. In fact the only reason I USE XP is that 98SE isn't supported by so many things. Regrettable, 98SE was a far leaner OS and darned near perfect.

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May 1, 2004 1:10:30 AM

That's kinda sad. I bought 2 copies of ME and after using the first for a couple of months (a day or two per install), gave up all together. I have a copy that has never even been installed.
May 1, 2004 2:05:30 AM

I've seen countless BSOD in Win98SE/ME

In Win2000/XP, I've seen BSOD only with 3rd party buggy software, buggy hardware driver and hardware problems

I haven't used pre Win95 windows. According to my experience (DOS, Win 95/98/Me/2000/XP, Linux), Win9x/Me is the worst.

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May 1, 2004 2:27:52 AM

i agree with you crash, i only run winxp pro cause some of my customers insist on it, so i better be able to fix whatever happens with it, most of them dump it for lack of support for some of their hardware,software....i run a dual boot system with a romtec trios hdd selector, the original one that uses only a 5.25 slot in my tower, modified my tower to allow for the ugly trios to be hidden behind a fold down door like the cd rom uses, hehehe, that way i can still play my flight sims with my ms forcefeedback pro joystick, that IS NOT supported properly in winxp(dont get me started)....i have win98se on the wifes machine, stable as hell on an install that was done over a year ago and she leaves it on for weeks at a time. i did finally do a reformat on mine but it was due to changing motherboard, not to win98se problems. i know you can chage mb's with win98se and usually it works ok, but i wanted to make damn sure it was ok:)  cant do it with winxp....save for a few exceptions...you will need to reformat or at least do a repair install if you switch mb's...but my main gripe with xp was poor support for flight sims and the joystick...i know, there is a driver in winxp for it, but it is BUGGY as hell...dont work right no matter how many times its uninstall/installedxp is okay for surfing, but not for the games I play, not even in compatability mode. I will never give up my win98se:) 

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May 1, 2004 2:48:17 AM

After I switched to BX chipsets, the only BSOD's I saw in 98SE were when I opened the CD-ROM while it was accessing data. I'd previously seen bugs caused by ICQ and AOL programs, but I just gave up on ICQ and didn't need AOL.

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May 1, 2004 1:15:44 PM

I'm behind Crash on this one....I have 98SE running on two of my computers and have never had a problem with it.

And they've both been running error free, no crashes for over a year. Excellent OS choice for older/slower hardware, if your not into Linux that is.

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May 1, 2004 2:31:32 PM

I agree; it's not at all a problem or a bad thing that Win98SE/ME won't get any support from i925X or i915. Well, ME never was a serious OS... As for 98SE, well, for newest technologies, it just doesn't cut it anyway... Older systems do fine with it (I have a P3 550Mhz here with it), but it would be pointless anyway to try to use the latest in hardware with an OS that is already quite a few years behind in many aspects.

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May 1, 2004 3:23:17 PM

You bought Windows ME??? And 2 copy??? Are you joking??? :smile:

STATEMENT :
I never bought Windows and I will probably never pay for it.

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May 1, 2004 3:28:31 PM

I started using WinXP with a P3-700/256Megs of RAM and I never looked back!

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May 1, 2004 3:32:49 PM

I can't belive this Crashman, a cursed Win98 user in THGC! Wow!

I run WinXP for a long time, and I can't remember the last time it crash... I remember once I used system restore. I only installed WinXP 3 times since I use it. First intall on my P3-700, second time when I bought my Athlon system and third time when I changed my main HDD (2 months ago).

I knew by posting this I would find some HARDCORE Win98 FANS out there!

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May 1, 2004 3:35:27 PM

I find WinXP is much more stable while multitasking.

You've tried and failed. The lesson here is, never try again. -- Homer Simpson.
May 1, 2004 3:47:44 PM

HA HA HA!!!

After the nVidia/ATI war, the AMD/Intel war now I have started the Win98/WinXP war.

It's so funny to hear people praying for this OLD OS. You looks like my father who belives that OLD cars are a lot better than new cars. They were easy to repair and simple, but they lack good suspension, direction, good sound system, fuel economy, etc... But, hey! They were good!

Please feel free to start a petition for Win98 support for new Chipset, Hardware, etc...
I think I will ask Suzuki to bring back to the market the Suzuki Swift GL and GTi 1990-1994, these were amazing, cheap, reliable "performance" cars. I knew my Swift so well, I could fix problem by only looking how it casted shadows on the ground, I miss it a lot!

When I look at my new Subaru Impreza 2002 2.5TS, I can't find any reason why it's a better car than my old Swift : it cost me more gasoline, it's bigger, it have more security features, it's fully equipped. This car have amazing suspension and handling... But, it's not like my old clunky Swift!

Is this Evolution? :smile:

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May 1, 2004 3:50:05 PM

I find my WinXP better in gaming, multitasking, hardware support, reliability, background tasking, features, stability, multimedia handling, ergonomy, networking...

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May 1, 2004 4:00:02 PM

Hey, I have Win2K Pro on my gaming machine, XP Pro on my two laptops, and they are both very stable, excellent OS. I was merely saying that for older hardware, such as my kids computer (P3-600, 256MB SDRAM, GF3 Ti200,....) that is is the OS of choice.

Also, some of the software I use at work for programming PLCs, until very recently (last 8 months or so) required Win98SE or less for some drivers to work properly.

I fully expect that when Longhord is released, it will be a better OS than Xp or 2000, that is evolution, but that isn't to say older hardware/software is garbage.

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May 1, 2004 4:05:44 PM

Please God, anything but ME! No real issues with any other MS/OS.

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May 1, 2004 5:56:45 PM

My 1970 cutlass had better ride quality than many new cars. Twin A-Arms have always provided a better ride than McPherson Struts. In fact, not a lot has happened in suspension technology on low end production cars over the last 40 years! And it got 18MPG with a 350V8, which isn't terrible when compared to modern cars with 5.7L V8's. And it went 240k miles problem free. So all in all, it was a good car, even by modern standards. It was also more durable than most newer cars and more reliable.

But I agree it's nice to get 24MPG rather than 18.

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May 1, 2004 6:01:18 PM

Nope, no curses here, everything running smoothly!

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May 1, 2004 6:12:44 PM

""I find WinXP is much more stable while multitasking.""

I wish it were true.

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May 1, 2004 8:56:31 PM

My 1988 Cadil1ac Seville had the 4.5L throttle bodied V-8. That car consistently delivered 28-29mpg on the road. I drove it to 121,000 miles and sold it to the first guy who looked at it. I relaced the alternator at 98,000 miles.
My 1999 STS has never hit 23mpg on the road and burns only Premium to boot. I lost the whole power rack&pinion unit at 60,000 miles and the water pump at 70,000 miles. The Cadillac Service Manager said, "They sure don't build them like they used to" Really? I never would have guessed!

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May 1, 2004 9:04:31 PM

Um, I don't know about that... This is computers, not cars. You must consider that <i>cars</i> are supposed to <i>move</i>, and that is all. So the car maker's objectives and intentions never truly change over the years.

Computers, on the other hand, get feature enhancements that completely make other ones obsolete...

I mean, would you use an 8-bit processor at what, 4Mhz, or a 2Ghz 32-bit processor for everyday usage? Well, guess what, the 2Ghz can do things the oldie cannot do. It's not like cars, where all cars can take all roads and your 1988 Cadillac Seville <i>and</i> your 1999 STS can take you from point A to B; no, the problem is that in the computer world, some older "cars" can't take some roads and simply cannot get you from point A to B. It's a fundamental feature and functionality difference... My opinion only...

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May 2, 2004 3:29:01 AM

Well, if you are THAT smart, I would like to remind you that we were talking OS not CPU. Now where is your 4MHz? OS can handle application as long as it is written for it, and the faster CPU the better OS can handle app no matter how old the OS is, and the older OS the faster it can handle app caz the OS was written for slower CPU (or am I confused:) 

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May 2, 2004 5:34:58 AM

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore—
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
"'Tis some visiter," I muttered, "tapping at my chamber door—
Only this and nothing more."

Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December;
And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
Eagerly I wished the morrow;—vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow—sorrow for the lost Lenore—
For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore—
Nameless here for evermore.

And the silken, sad, uncertain rustling of each purple curtain
Thrilled me—filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before;
So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating
"'Tis some visiter entreating entrance at my chamber door—
Some late visiter entreating entrance at my chamber door;—
This it is and nothing more."

Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
"Sir," said I, "or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore;
But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,
And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,
That I scarce was sure I heard you"—here I opened wide the door;—
Darkness there and nothing more.

Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;
But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, "Lenore?"
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, "Lenore!"
Merely this and nothing more.

Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.
"Surely," said I, "surely that is something at my window lattice;
Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore—
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore;—
'Tis the wind and nothing more!"

Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter,
In there stepped a stately Raven of the saintly days of yore;
Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he;
But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door—
Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door—
Perched, and sat, and nothing more.

Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore,
"Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou," I said, "art sure no craven,
Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore—
Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!"
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."

Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly,
Though its answer little meaning—little relevancy bore;
For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being
Ever yet was blessed with seeing bird above his chamber door—
Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door,
With such name as "Nevermore."

But the Raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only
That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour.
Nothing farther then he uttered—not a feather then he fluttered—
Till I scarcely more than muttered "Other friends have flown before—-
On the morrow he will leave me, as my Hopes have flown before."
Then the bird said "Nevermore."

Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken,
"Doubtless," said I, "what it utters is its only stock and store
Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore—
Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore
Of 'Never—nevermore.'"

But the Raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling,
Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird, and bust and door;
Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking
Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore—
What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous bird of yore
Meant in croaking "Nevermore."

This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing
To the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core;
This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining
On the cushion's velvet lining that the lamp-light gloated o'er,
But whose velvet-violet lining with the lamp-light gloating o'er,
She shall press, ah, nevermore!

Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer
Swung by seraphim whose foot-falls tinkled on the tufted floor.
"Wretch," I cried, "thy God hath lent thee—by these angels he hath sent thee
Respite—respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Lenore;
Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost Lenore!"
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."

"Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil!—prophet still, if bird or devil!—
Whether Tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore,
Desolate yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted—
On this home by Horror haunted—tell me truly, I implore—
Is there—is there balm in Gilead?—tell me—tell me, I implore!"
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."

"Prophet!" said I, "thing of evil!—prophet still, if bird or devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us—by that God we both adore—
Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn,
It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore—
Clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore."
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."

"Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!" I shrieked, upstarting—
"Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore!
Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken!—quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!"
Quoth the Raven "Nevermore."

And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming,
And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted—nevermore!


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May 2, 2004 1:11:05 PM

But the whole point is not that "old technology" was bad, it's just to say that in the tech world, we have to step foward. We can't deny that the now OLD Win95 was once fresh and somewhat innovative (compared to Windows 3.11). But today, WinXP have move a step foward, not always as we would have liked to, of course, it's a more complex OS, but it's a more robust/stable OS.

In a few year, I will probably post a WinXP is dead and Linux is now strong enough to makes Microsoft OS useless. :smile:

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May 2, 2004 1:17:40 PM

I was kind of joking! The last time I installed Win98SE... I can't remember... The last time I installed Win2000... I can't remember... The last time I installed WinXP... 2 months ago, when I bought my used DELL C840 Laptop.

I know you are not cursed, Crashman, and of course, Win98SE is good for these PC's :
Less than 256 Megs of ram
Processor under 500MHz
Small HDD (under 4 Gigs)

I actually installed WinXP in a PC with a 2.6 Gigs HDD, WinXP installed worked fine, but I got not enough room for the swap file to install basics apps like Office, duh! SO, I added a 1.6 Gigs HDD for the swap files and "My documents". This was a funny experience!

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May 2, 2004 1:21:36 PM

THE FACTS :
American car makers used to build good cars.
Japanese car makers used to build bad cars.
European car makers are on their way to build worst car than American.

You can't compare OLD cars with NEW cars this way, you have to look at the market. In PC technology it can be hard too, to compare different generetion OS. But overall, WinXP has improved a lot over Win98.

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May 2, 2004 3:19:00 PM

win xp > any os

Btw my new mazda is running like a charm and it is far supperior to anything american...

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May 2, 2004 3:38:32 PM

Oh, yes, we're not talking specifically about hardware. But I meant globally: you wouldn't take advantage of newer features if you used older software. Like going 64-bit in Opteron for servers: who would use a 32-bit aware-only copy of Linux instead of an AMD64-designed one? The latter will take you to places that the former simply won't.

So OK, right now, you might use Win98 on current hardware without losing too much (well, maybe HT). But these are <i>future</i> chipsets... So, in my view, it just isn't so bad to phase out the older OS's; if Win 3.11 had support for SSEx and HT, would you be using it? No. It's an evolution... So yes, the older OS will run faster on a newer machine, but that much more potential will be ruined and newer software gets written only for current or new OS's, because if MS does its job, the newer OS's are better. They can do more. More features.

And let's face it, WinXP is good. It makes Win98 pale in comparison. No crashes, no BSOD, nada. Configurations work efficiently and quickly. I use Win98SE on an older system, and I use WinXP in my current system (933Mhz P3... I'll be needing an upgrade this year, damn), and I wish the older system could handle WinXP... but it's too slow for that. So am I going to be upset if I cannot use Win98SE if I eventually upgrade to a grantsdale-based system? No, not in a million years. And the fact that someone else's older <i>car</i> is better than this same person's <i>new car</i> doesn't mean anything to me... I mean, it's an apples and oranges comparison, sorry....

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May 2, 2004 5:43:51 PM

Yes, but I'm sure you've heard of "1 step forward, 2 steps back". Comparing 98SE to XP in that light is like comparing a new (as in, perfectly maintained, unused) 1988 quality midsized sedan to a 2004 Suburban.

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