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Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:15 PM

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I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
didn't like.
Just wondering what others experiences are.
Lu
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:16 PM

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"Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
> didn't like.
> Just wondering what others experiences are.
> Lu
>

I think Zonealarm Security Suite is excellent as a firewall, and for virus
and spyware.

Rob Graham
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:16 PM

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Lua

I was an advocate of McAfee suite, but the 2005 version is so invasive..
Zonealarm and Kerio firewalls are a pain, and I would not use Norton
Anything.. I now use AVG and the SP2 firewall..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
> didn't like.
> Just wondering what others experiences are.
> Lu
>
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Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:16 PM

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"Lua" wrote:

> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
> didn't like.
> Just wondering what others experiences are.
> Lu
> Hello, After several different combo's, I have Sygate Firewall and AVG AV.
These seem to work well together for my setup.
take care
beamish
>
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:16 PM

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I use SystemSuite Pro 6 now. Started using SystemSuite years ago when it was
owned by OnTrack. V-Com now owns and they have improved it with the step up
to Pro 6.
The anti-virus is Trend-Micro. The fire-wall is Sygate. Both top of the
line. Now included is the Spyware software. Spyware is also by Trend-Micro.
Updates are very easy. You can do manual, notification that update are ready
to download, updates and ask to install (I use this one), or install without
notification
It also comes with some easy to use maintenance, clean up, uninstall,
recovery and defrag software. Only problem I have had so far was a false
positive on spyware signatures last week. Showed a problem that was not
there. Later on that day signature files were updated and the problem went
away.

"old" devildog
-- Semper Fi --
-----------------------------

"Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
| I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
| best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
| but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
| great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
| I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
| didn't like.
| Just wondering what others experiences are.
| Lu
|
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:17 PM

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If you ever got a key logger on your computer Mike, you would be very happy
if you had ZoneAlarm installed first. All it takes is a visit to one site,
and who knows when that may happen. I am darn careful yet I have had one or
two installed on my systems in the past 3 years.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"

"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:%23LLSw94uFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Lua
>
> I was an advocate of McAfee suite, but the 2005 version is so invasive..
> Zonealarm and Kerio firewalls are a pain, and I would not use Norton
> Anything.. I now use AVG and the SP2 firewall..
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
>> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
>> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
>> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
>> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
>> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
>> didn't like.
>> Just wondering what others experiences are.
>> Lu
>>
>
>
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 6:05:18 PM

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Richard

I am a little wary of having no firewall other than the SP2 offering. I was
always happy with McAfee firewall. It was intelligent and never let anything
through that I didn't want. Unfortunately, their 2005 suite is so invasive
that I just can't recommend them anymore. Both anti-virus and firewall do a
great job, but at the expense of performance. Shades of Norton finally.

Kerio firewall looked promising, but I gotten sick of having to tell it what
to do. The free Zonealarm was blocking stuff left, right and centre, and
after only three hours, I dumped it. I guess that I should be less of a
cheapskate, and buy the Pro version. We will see.

I have heard all good things about 'The Shield Pro'. Maybe I will try that
route before committing to Zonealarm. Until that time, I will leave SP2
sitting behind the router 'just in case'. :-)


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Richard Urban [MVP]" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If you ever got a key logger on your computer Mike, you would be very
> happy if you had ZoneAlarm installed first. All it takes is a visit to one
> site, and who knows when that may happen. I am darn careful yet I have had
> one or two installed on my systems in the past 3 years.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> Quote from: George Ankner
> "If you knew as much as you thought you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
>
> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:%23LLSw94uFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Lua
>>
>> I was an advocate of McAfee suite, but the 2005 version is so invasive..
>> Zonealarm and Kerio firewalls are a pain, and I would not use Norton
>> Anything.. I now use AVG and the SP2 firewall..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
>>> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
>>> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
>>> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
>>> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
>>> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
>>> didn't like.
>>> Just wondering what others experiences are.
>>> Lu
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
September 17, 2005 8:54:19 PM

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Lua wrote:
> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
> didn't like.
> Just wondering what others experiences are.

I like the XP firewall (I scrapped ZA Free because it didn't set up
service dependencies properly so it would clobber the sshd inbound port
when it started after sshd). The Windows firewall service has the proper
startup dependencies to prevent that from happening.

or AV, I use McAfee on the systems that still have time left on the
12-month subscription that came with it, and AVG Free on the rest.

I also like MS AntiSpyware and use it instead of Ad Aware and Spybot.
September 17, 2005 8:56:53 PM

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Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
> I am a little wary of having no firewall other than the SP2 offering. I was
> always happy with McAfee firewall. It was intelligent and never let anything
> through that I didn't want. Unfortunately, their 2005 suite is so invasive

I have the McAfee firewall but don't like the way it silently gives all
the McAfee components full access in/out. You remove the components and
McAfee silently adds them back.

No thank you; forget that.
September 17, 2005 9:57:09 PM

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Do you find it to be better than SystemSuite 5.0 and worth the upgrade?

Thanks,

Alias
""old" devildog" <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote

>I use SystemSuite Pro 6 now. Started using SystemSuite years ago when it
>was
> owned by OnTrack. V-Com now owns and they have improved it with the step
> up
> to Pro 6.
> The anti-virus is Trend-Micro. The fire-wall is Sygate. Both top of the
> line. Now included is the Spyware software. Spyware is also by
> Trend-Micro.
> Updates are very easy. You can do manual, notification that update are
> ready
> to download, updates and ask to install (I use this one), or install
> without
> notification
> It also comes with some easy to use maintenance, clean up, uninstall,
> recovery and defrag software. Only problem I have had so far was a false
> positive on spyware signatures last week. Showed a problem that was not
> there. Later on that day signature files were updated and the problem went
> away.
>
> "old" devildog
> -- Semper Fi --
> -----------------------------
>
> "Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
> | I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
> | best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
> | but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
> | great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> | I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
> | didn't like.
> | Just wondering what others experiences are.
> | Lu
> |
>
>
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 9:57:10 PM

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Worth the upgrade?
Yes
The upgrade just for the anti-spyware software is enough. The anti-virus
engine has been updated and beefed up. The fire-wall has been beefed up
also. The interface seems to work faster and smoother. If you are using SS5
already, the upgrade is easy. The new UpDate interface is nice, I like the
download and ask to install. Works well for me. I did the upgrade when they
had the special a few months ago and saved some bucks. As you know
Trend-Micro is in the top 5 for anti-virus software, the anti-spyware
software included should test in the top 5 very easily.
Everybody has their favorites, and I am not trying to change anybody's mind,
unless they are using that No**on junk. If you have used SystemSuite in the
past, the new Pro 6 version has a smooth, easy to use interface, that works
very well.
And yes I know Sygate is now destroyed as a good firewall, since they
decided to gone slumming, but the firewall included in SS Pro 6 in not
affected by the purchase. V-Com will tell you that the contract they had
with Sygate, was purchased and the terms cannot be changed. The firewall
must be supported as it is until the end of the original contract with
Sygate. After that, anyones guess, but I can't see them going with the "new"
owner of Sygate.

"old" devildog
-- Semper Fi --

-----------------------


"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:o GZC2B6uFHA.2848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| Do you find it to be better than SystemSuite 5.0 and worth the upgrade?
|
| Thanks,
|
| Alias
| ""old" devildog" <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote
|
| >I use SystemSuite Pro 6 now. Started using SystemSuite years ago when it
| >was
| > owned by OnTrack. V-Com now owns and they have improved it with the step
| > up
| > to Pro 6.
| > The anti-virus is Trend-Micro. The fire-wall is Sygate. Both top of the
| > line. Now included is the Spyware software. Spyware is also by
| > Trend-Micro.
| > Updates are very easy. You can do manual, notification that update are
| > ready
| > to download, updates and ask to install (I use this one), or install
| > without
| > notification
| > It also comes with some easy to use maintenance, clean up, uninstall,
| > recovery and defrag software. Only problem I have had so far was a false
| > positive on spyware signatures last week. Showed a problem that was not
| > there. Later on that day signature files were updated and the problem
went
| > away.
| >
| > "old" devildog
| > -- Semper Fi --
| > -----------------------------
| >
| > "Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
| > | I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
| > | best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
| > | but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I
found
| > | great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
| > | I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
| > | didn't like.
| > | Just wondering what others experiences are.
| > | Lu
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 10:06:04 PM

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Richard Urban [MVP] wrote:
>
> If you ever got a key logger on your computer Mike, you would be very happy
> if you had ZoneAlarm installed first. All it takes is a visit to one site,
> and who knows when that may happen. I am darn careful yet I have had one or
> two installed on my systems in the past 3 years.

Are you saying that if you visit certain websites that a keylogger may
be installed without your knowledge? How does that happen?
September 17, 2005 10:51:22 PM

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Thanks, I'll get it. I take it I don't have to uninstall 5.0 to upgrade to
6?

Alias

""old" devildog" <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote

> Worth the upgrade?
> Yes
> The upgrade just for the anti-spyware software is enough. The anti-virus
> engine has been updated and beefed up. The fire-wall has been beefed up
> also. The interface seems to work faster and smoother. If you are using
> SS5
> already, the upgrade is easy. The new UpDate interface is nice, I like the
> download and ask to install. Works well for me. I did the upgrade when
> they
> had the special a few months ago and saved some bucks. As you know
> Trend-Micro is in the top 5 for anti-virus software, the anti-spyware
> software included should test in the top 5 very easily.
> Everybody has their favorites, and I am not trying to change anybody's
> mind,
> unless they are using that No**on junk. If you have used SystemSuite in
> the
> past, the new Pro 6 version has a smooth, easy to use interface, that
> works
> very well.
> And yes I know Sygate is now destroyed as a good firewall, since they
> decided to gone slumming, but the firewall included in SS Pro 6 in not
> affected by the purchase. V-Com will tell you that the contract they had
> with Sygate, was purchased and the terms cannot be changed. The firewall
> must be supported as it is until the end of the original contract with
> Sygate. After that, anyones guess, but I can't see them going with the
> "new"
> owner of Sygate.
>
> "old" devildog
> -- Semper Fi --
>
> -----------------------
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:o GZC2B6uFHA.2848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | Do you find it to be better than SystemSuite 5.0 and worth the upgrade?
> |
> | Thanks,
> |
> | Alias
> | ""old" devildog" <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote
> |
> | >I use SystemSuite Pro 6 now. Started using SystemSuite years ago when
> it
> | >was
> | > owned by OnTrack. V-Com now owns and they have improved it with the
> step
> | > up
> | > to Pro 6.
> | > The anti-virus is Trend-Micro. The fire-wall is Sygate. Both top of
> the
> | > line. Now included is the Spyware software. Spyware is also by
> | > Trend-Micro.
> | > Updates are very easy. You can do manual, notification that update are
> | > ready
> | > to download, updates and ask to install (I use this one), or install
> | > without
> | > notification
> | > It also comes with some easy to use maintenance, clean up, uninstall,
> | > recovery and defrag software. Only problem I have had so far was a
> false
> | > positive on spyware signatures last week. Showed a problem that was
> not
> | > there. Later on that day signature files were updated and the problem
> went
> | > away.
> | >
> | > "old" devildog
> | > -- Semper Fi --
> | > -----------------------------
> | >
> | > "Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
> | > | I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is
> the
> | > | best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure
> etc.)
> | > | but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I
> found
> | > | great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> | > | I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something
> I
> | > | didn't like.
> | > | Just wondering what others experiences are.
> | > | Lu
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
Anonymous
September 17, 2005 10:51:23 PM

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No.
The install software removes any of the old files no longer needed. What is
nice is that the "old" firewall settings, and many other of your setting
just transfer over. It is nice to not have to go through the "allowing" of
everything with the firewall again. Suggestion, check the box to do a
spyware scan while doing the virus scan. You will find that option under
"Settings, Anti-Virus" from the "Home" screen. I like this, because a deep
scan of the HD looks everything that is bad. I also, against the advice of
many of the MVP's here have run the e-mail virus scan since I started using
SS4. I have never had an error with OE and getting my e-mail. In fact with
SS5, it stopped a series (hundreds in a 3 week period) of e-mails
containing, a virus. All appeared to be coming from my parents. Their
machine was clean (they were also running SS5). They also got hundreds that
were blocked. We later on found the infected machine belonged to Pop's
sister. She was using No**on's.

Yes I recommend SystemSuite. It integrated well with Win '98SE, and
integrates well with XP. Sorry I never did the ME or 2000 software. I
understand I missed nothing with ME.

Also I still use AdAwareSE, as well as Spybot S&D, and WinPatrol. I have
used WinPatrol for a very long time. Scotty has "been on patrol" for a long
time. The WinPatrol Plus (paid version) is the way to go. A one time, low
priced fee ($25). I have used WinPatrol long before anything else. The
protection it affords stopped so much before the others came along. Check
it out and let me know what you think of it. www.winpatrol.com It is very
well trusted.

"old" devildog
--Semper Fi --
-----------------------

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:%2333nIg6uFHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Thanks, I'll get it. I take it I don't have to uninstall 5.0 to upgrade to
| 6?
|
| Alias
|
| ""old" devildog" <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote
|
| > Worth the upgrade?
| > Yes
| > The upgrade just for the anti-spyware software is enough. The anti-virus
| > engine has been updated and beefed up. The fire-wall has been beefed up
| > also. The interface seems to work faster and smoother. If you are using
| > SS5
| > already, the upgrade is easy. The new UpDate interface is nice, I like
the
| > download and ask to install. Works well for me. I did the upgrade when
| > they
| > had the special a few months ago and saved some bucks. As you know
| > Trend-Micro is in the top 5 for anti-virus software, the anti-spyware
| > software included should test in the top 5 very easily.
| > Everybody has their favorites, and I am not trying to change anybody's
| > mind,
| > unless they are using that No**on junk. If you have used SystemSuite in
| > the
| > past, the new Pro 6 version has a smooth, easy to use interface, that
| > works
| > very well.
| > And yes I know Sygate is now destroyed as a good firewall, since they
| > decided to gone slumming, but the firewall included in SS Pro 6 in not
| > affected by the purchase. V-Com will tell you that the contract they had
| > with Sygate, was purchased and the terms cannot be changed. The firewall
| > must be supported as it is until the end of the original contract with
| > Sygate. After that, anyones guess, but I can't see them going with the
| > "new"
| > owner of Sygate.
| >
| > "old" devildog
| > -- Semper Fi --
| >
| > -----------------------
| >
| >
| > "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
| > news:o GZC2B6uFHA.2848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | Do you find it to be better than SystemSuite 5.0 and worth the
upgrade?
| > |
| > | Thanks,
| > |
| > | Alias
| > | ""old" devildog" <teyoungATmchsiDOTcom> wrote
| > |
| > | >I use SystemSuite Pro 6 now. Started using SystemSuite years ago when
| > it
| > | >was
| > | > owned by OnTrack. V-Com now owns and they have improved it with the
| > step
| > | > up
| > | > to Pro 6.
| > | > The anti-virus is Trend-Micro. The fire-wall is Sygate. Both top of
| > the
| > | > line. Now included is the Spyware software. Spyware is also by
| > | > Trend-Micro.
| > | > Updates are very easy. You can do manual, notification that update
are
| > | > ready
| > | > to download, updates and ask to install (I use this one), or install
| > | > without
| > | > notification
| > | > It also comes with some easy to use maintenance, clean up,
uninstall,
| > | > recovery and defrag software. Only problem I have had so far was a
| > false
| > | > positive on spyware signatures last week. Showed a problem that was
| > not
| > | > there. Later on that day signature files were updated and the
problem
| > went
| > | > away.
| > | >
| > | > "old" devildog
| > | > -- Semper Fi --
| > | > -----------------------------
| > | >
| > | > "Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
| > | > | I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is
| > the
| > | > | best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure
| > etc.)
| > | > | but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I
| > found
| > | > | great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
| > | > | I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found
something
| > I
| > | > | didn't like.
| > | > | Just wondering what others experiences are.
| > | > | Lu
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 12:50:24 AM

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"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
news:432ca0dc$1$206$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
> Richard Urban [MVP] wrote:
>>
>> If you ever got a key logger on your computer Mike, you would be very
>> happy
>> if you had ZoneAlarm installed first. All it takes is a visit to one
>> site,
>> and who knows when that may happen. I am darn careful yet I have had one
>> or
>> two installed on my systems in the past 3 years.
>
> Are you saying that if you visit certain websites that a keylogger may
> be installed without your knowledge? How does that happen?
>


I wish I knew. Then I could try to avoid it. How about white text on a white
background. When you click on a blank area in a window, so as to bring the
window into focus (make active), you may click on a "hidden something: Bang!
A downloaded activex control you didn't plan on or want. Or, it may come in
as part of a "free" utility, screen saver, ringtone, desktop background etc.
that you initiate the download for.

Anyway, ZoneAlarm Professional, and now ZA Security Suite, caught both
instances when they tried to connect to pass on the gathered information. I
then knew they were there and was able to eliminate them.

I have an remote acquaintance that had a dialer installed on his computer
without his consent or knowledge. It would disconnect him from the internet
(he used dialup services) and silently dial a new number. He was merrily
surfing the web for over a month when he got his first phone bill with the
added charges. He almost went into cardiac arrest. The bill was for over
$35,000 ($9.95 per minute for every minute he was connected). That was $597
for every hour his connection was hijacked. After much arbitration, the
phone company forgave 1/2 of the phone bill. He was still responsible for
the remainder.

ZoneAlarm would have prevented this from occurring. It would have popped up
a warning about a new connection and what zone did he want to give it access
to, internet or trusted. At that point he would have known, and could have
denied the connection.

Many people seem to be happy with the "one way" Windows XP firewall. I hope
they never have the problems I have seen in servicing computers for the past
12 years.


--
Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from: George Ankner
"If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
September 18, 2005 12:50:25 AM

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Richard Urban [MVP] wrote:
> Many people seem to be happy with the "one way" Windows XP firewall. I hope
> they never have the problems I have seen in servicing computers for the past
> 12 years.

The next version will (rumor has it) be two-way.
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 2:35:59 AM

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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:50:24 -0400 in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, Richard Urban [MVP] favored us
with...
> When you click on a blank area in a window, so as to bring the
> window into focus (make active), you may click on a "hidden something: Bang!
> A downloaded activex control you didn't plan on or want.

Of course, if you weren't running with ActiveX turned on, that would
not be a concern.

"Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I move my arm this way!"
"Then don't."

Seriously, if people insist on using MSIE, they should at least
configure it to reduce the obvious vulnerabilities, of which ActiveX
is the largest. Otherwise they're just asking for trouble.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"To put it bluntly but fairly, anyone today who doubts that the
variety of life on this planet was produced by a process of
evolution is simply ignorant -- inexcusably ignorant, in a world
where three out of four people have learned to read and write."
--Daniel Dennett, /Darwin's Dangerous Idea/ (1995), page 46
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 9:07:35 AM

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"Z" <Z@no.spam> wrote in message news:532Xe.43216$1g2.6384@fe05.lga...
> Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
>> I am a little wary of having no firewall other than the SP2 offering. I
>> was always happy with McAfee firewall. It was intelligent and never let
>> anything through that I didn't want. Unfortunately, their 2005 suite is
>> so invasive
>
> I have the McAfee firewall but don't like the way it silently gives all
> the McAfee components full access in/out. You remove the components and
> McAfee silently adds them back.
>
> No thank you; forget that.

that's one thing about Zone Alarm I do like. It will even block itself, and
stay blocked :) 
McG.
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 9:25:56 AM

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On Saturday 17 September 2005 05:50 pm, Richard Urban [MVP] had this to say
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

>
> "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
> news:432ca0dc$1$206$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>> Richard Urban [MVP] wrote:
>>>
>>> If you ever got a key logger on your computer Mike, you would be very
>>> happy
>>> if you had ZoneAlarm installed first. All it takes is a visit to one
>>> site,
>>> and who knows when that may happen. I am darn careful yet I have had one
>>> or
>>> two installed on my systems in the past 3 years.
>>
>> Are you saying that if you visit certain websites that a keylogger may
>> be installed without your knowledge? How does that happen?
>>
>
>
> I wish I knew. Then I could try to avoid it. How about white text on a
> white background. When you click on a blank area in a window, so as to
> bring the window into focus (make active), you may click on a "hidden
> something: Bang! A downloaded activex control you didn't plan on or want.
> Or, it may come in as part of a "free" utility, screen saver, ringtone,
> desktop background etc. that you initiate the download for.
>
> Anyway, ZoneAlarm Professional, and now ZA Security Suite, caught both
> instances when they tried to connect to pass on the gathered information.
> I then knew they were there and was able to eliminate them.
>
> I have an remote acquaintance that had a dialer installed on his computer
> without his consent or knowledge. It would disconnect him from the
> internet (he used dialup services) and silently dial a new number. He was
> merrily surfing the web for over a month when he got his first phone bill
> with the added charges. He almost went into cardiac arrest. The bill was
> for over $35,000 ($9.95 per minute for every minute he was connected).
> That was $597 for every hour his connection was hijacked. After much
> arbitration, the phone company forgave 1/2 of the phone bill. He was still
> responsible for the remainder.
>
Wow Richard, that's some story! I know that the insecurity of Windows can
lead to lost data and trashed systems and many hours wasted repairing same,
but I didn't know that it could actually cost someone that much money! Too
bad the EULA protects Microsoft from any liability in this matter. That was
the company that put out such an insecure operating system to start with. I
can really empathize with your remote acquaintance. I hope he's learned his
lesson and looked elsewhere for an operating system to run on his computer.
After reading your post, I'm more happier than ever that only my Linux
boxes are allowed to connect to the Net. My one XP box doesn't look outside
of my firewall.


--
Now this is Eye-Candy! Most beautiful desktop in the world.
Checkout ELive - a live Linux CD - run E17
http://www.elivecd.org/gb/About/index.html
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 10:57:41 AM

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"Richard Urban [MVP]" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o n48Rr%23uFHA.3976@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
> news:432ca0dc$1$206$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
> > Richard Urban [MVP] wrote:
> >>
> >> If you ever got a key logger on your computer Mike, you would be very
> >> happy
> >> if you had ZoneAlarm installed first. All it takes is a visit to one
> >> site,
> >> and who knows when that may happen. I am darn careful yet I have had
one
> >> or
> >> two installed on my systems in the past 3 years.
> >
> > Are you saying that if you visit certain websites that a keylogger may
> > be installed without your knowledge? How does that happen?
> >
>
>
> I wish I knew. Then I could try to avoid it. How about white text on a
white
> background. When you click on a blank area in a window, so as to bring the
> window into focus (make active), you may click on a "hidden something:
Bang!
> A downloaded activex control you didn't plan on or want. Or, it may come
in
> as part of a "free" utility, screen saver, ringtone, desktop background
etc.
> that you initiate the download for.
>
> Anyway, ZoneAlarm Professional, and now ZA Security Suite, caught both
> instances when they tried to connect to pass on the gathered information.
I
> then knew they were there and was able to eliminate them.
>
> I have an remote acquaintance that had a dialer installed on his computer
> without his consent or knowledge. It would disconnect him from the
internet
> (he used dialup services) and silently dial a new number. He was merrily
> surfing the web for over a month when he got his first phone bill with the
> added charges. He almost went into cardiac arrest. The bill was for over
> $35,000 ($9.95 per minute for every minute he was connected). That was
$597
> for every hour his connection was hijacked. After much arbitration, the
> phone company forgave 1/2 of the phone bill. He was still responsible for
> the remainder.
>
> ZoneAlarm would have prevented this from occurring. It would have popped
up
> a warning about a new connection and what zone did he want to give it
access
> to, internet or trusted. At that point he would have known, and could have
> denied the connection.
>
> Many people seem to be happy with the "one way" Windows XP firewall. I
hope
> they never have the problems I have seen in servicing computers for the
past
> 12 years.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> Quote from: George Ankner
> "If you knew as much as you thought you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!"
>
>

A noisy external modem would have been a dead giveaway. The dialer volume
can't be controlled by the PC. And, if using the same connection setup,
different phone number, not saving your password to begin with would have
blocked it before dialing.
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 11:01:32 AM

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"Lua" <lua@nospam.com> wrote in message news:432c1387_2@x-privat.org...
> I'm currently using ZoneAlarm Wireless and AVG 7.0. So far this is the
> best combo I've found. I've tried other firewalls (Tiny, Fsecure etc.)
> but can't get on with them. My last AV was V-Com FixIt 6.0 which I found
> great for virus detection but useless at deleting/cleaning.
> I've tried all-in-one solution (FSecure) but always found something I
> didn't like.
> Just wondering what others experiences are.
> Lu
>

Don't know how one would know what's best unless purposely taking on various
viruses, and soliciting intrusions from outsiders.

Using ZA Pro latest version, NAV 2004, and Trend Micro AntiSpyware.
Anonymous
September 18, 2005 7:17:31 PM

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I recommend you all backup your registry and system state frequently so
that you can always restore while experimenting with anitvirus and spam
removal. There is also a couple good tutorials of spybot and Process
Explorer.
The tutorials here are AWESOME.. the registry backup is in VIDEO!!!

www.thisoldpc.net
Anonymous
September 19, 2005 1:20:27 AM

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:33:14 GMT in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, -rwxrw-r-- favored us with...
> On Saturday 17 September 2005 07:35 pm, Stan Brown had this to say in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
> > [quoted text muted]
> > Seriously, if people insist on using MSIE, they should at least
> > configure it to reduce the obvious vulnerabilities, of which ActiveX
> > is the largest. Otherwise they're just asking for trouble.
> >
> It's not just ActiveX that can be a problem and allow for malicious code to
> be installed on a Windows computer.

Of course it's not. I didn't say it's the only vulnerability, I said
it's the largest.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"To put it bluntly but fairly, anyone today who doubts that the
variety of life on this planet was produced by a process of
evolution is simply ignorant -- inexcusably ignorant, in a world
where three out of four people have learned to read and write."
--Daniel Dennett, /Darwin's Dangerous Idea/ (1995), page 46
Anonymous
September 19, 2005 1:21:28 AM

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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:57:41 -0400 in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, Lil' Dave favored us with...
> A noisy external modem would have been a dead giveaway. The dialer volume
> can't be controlled by the PC.

I don't have a telephone modem any more, but when I did I remember it
was quite easy to control the volume by sending a configuration
string just before the number to dial.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"To put it bluntly but fairly, anyone today who doubts that the
variety of life on this planet was produced by a process of
evolution is simply ignorant -- inexcusably ignorant, in a world
where three out of four people have learned to read and write."
--Daniel Dennett, /Darwin's Dangerous Idea/ (1995), page 46
!