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June 11, 2004 9:46:14 PM

I am a busy architectural student looking for a new computer. I want to build my own but I don’t know what to buy. I could spend hours finding what the "best" components for my situation are but to be honest I don’t have time to do that! I am willing to give someone $10(via pay pal) to select all of the components for me.

I will be using 3D studio max & AutoCAD primarily. One of my classes recommended at least a 2.4 Pentium 4 or exeon, and a video card with at least 128 mb. I need everything but a monitor.

I don’t have a set price limit but I do not want to spend less than I should to get what I need out of it. As long as it gets the job done and I’m not waiting on the computer all the time I will be happy! Thanks!

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June 11, 2004 11:24:10 PM

The new AutoCad utalizes the hyperthreading technology so I would look into a 2.8ghz northwood for your CPU and at least the Radeon 9600xt

Mobile Barton 2500+ @ 2420mhz 11x220 1.7v
Asus A7N8X Dlx 440 FSB
1gb Geil GD pc3500 Dual Channel (2-3-3-6)
Segata 80gb SATA 8.5ms seek
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro to XT(420/730)
June 12, 2004 12:29:03 AM

The Big Lebowski was a good movie...

<b><font color=red> ATI 9600Pro </font color=red></b>
<b><font color=green> AthlonXP-M 2500+ OC'd 3200+ </font color=green></b>
<b><font color=blue> Abit NF7-S </font color=blue></b>
<b><font color=black> 2x256MB Corsair PC3200 </font color=black></b>
June 12, 2004 3:50:08 AM

I don't need $10.00 that bad. But, do you have a good looking sister? :smile:


"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. Now, let's eat!
June 12, 2004 5:25:03 AM

*send paypal payment to: Ned@Flanders.fsnet.co.uk*

You need to buy:

Pentium 1 70Mhz
32Mb PC100 RAM
Generic PCI Graphics Card (2mb)
1x CD-ROM Drive
250Mb PATA33 Harddrive
Generic Floppy Drive

Should make for a killer CAD machine. Can't wait to recieve payment

Not the Official Sicko of THG.
June 12, 2004 8:36:08 AM

I am also building a new system from scratch. I read up on the new technology a bit mostly on the Tom's site. I used the Tom's bizrate search on the top left corner of Tom's home page to track prices and check out consumer reviews over the last few months.I have gotten many tips and ideas from the helpful people on this forum. I have also looked over various ratings and review sites, buyer reviews on the new egg site and so forth.

What people have referred me to on this forum regarding my questions about athlon xp/athlon 64/p4 motherboards:
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athlon 64- As a little added enticement zipzoomfly and new egg both throwing in a free copy of the game "far cry" with athlon 64 cpu + select board purchase:
<A HREF="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/showcase/AMD_showcase.jsp" target="_new">zipzoomfly</A> msi k8n neo platinum is on this list-as well as the more economical and also highly recommended chaintech vnf3 250 and
<A HREF="http://images10.newegg.com/uploadFilesForNewegg/farcry...." target="_new">new egg</A> has a simular offer. mwave had one too but I think it ended...perhaps others do as well.

athlon 64 3400+ too pricey in my book. The athlon 64 3200+ is $136 less. The athlon 64 2800+ is $100 less than that.
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p4-- <A HREF="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product..." target="_new">abit is7</A> board
Nice price, features and performance on this board.
2.8c (northwood core 800mhz fsb) seems to be in the "sweet spot" for p4s as the 2.6/2.4 are about the same price and in some cases even a couple $ more.--
****This is the platform the first person mentioned for your specific usage-He sounded like he was well-informed. I don't really know myself.****
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xp: 2500+ mobile barton (and ocing? to 3200+ performance?)
abit <A HREF="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product..." target="_new">abit nf7-s</A> version 2 :also
or
asus a7n8x-??? I can't remember which version was recommended.
-not sure on the memory-looking at this <A HREF="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product..." target="_new">corsair xms c2 platinum</A> but still asking questions and looking at review sites. That memory is about $259 I was also looking at some ozc 3500 eb which is even more expensive. Ask others about memory for your specific usage and see if it matters.
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I have already purchased most of the common components including:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">video card</A> you probably don't need a card this expensive for your usage.
That 9600xt model recommended by a poster above is probably 140ish?(actually 160ish to 180ish for a reliable brand)

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">dvd</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">hard drive</A> you don't need one this expensive for your usage. Sata hard drives are being recommended if your motherboard supports it. 7,200 rpm is probably what you want and more space for your usage as well I imagine.
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">floppy</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">arctic silver</A>
and a case I searched through alot of pictures, user reviews and descriptions to find what seemed the best decent looking case for the $. I wanted a case with a clear acryic side panel. My main requirement for the case was that it have a "decent" power source I could use to run the old comp when I built the new one.
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">case</A>
You might simply want to grab a generic beige or white case without a power supply at a local shop. Cases are cheap and you can see it yourself and also save shipping that way. Check to see it isn't to flimsy or have too many sharp edges so you don't cut your hands all up putting it together. Alot of the cases have the edges rolled over now to strengthen the case and make less sharp edges. Then I would recommend a good power supply. Generic power supplies can sometimes be unreliable and even harmful to your system.

re: cpu
you also you might want to check this out. <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">cpu guide</A> also this
<A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031223/cpu-guide-21...." target="_new">tom's cpu guide</A>

re:video card
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">graphics cards faq</A>


The athlon xp 3200+=$187ish
p4 2.8c/athlon 64 2800+ are a touch less than that atm.
People are recommending the mobile barton 2500 + for the athlon xp "best bang for the buck" chip. I don't know anything about ocing, that is just what I have read on this forum. There seem to be some really inexpensive good boards available for the xp too.
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In summary:
Assuming the p4 is the way to go for your applications as stated by the first reply:
p4 2.8c (northwood/800 fsb) $179
abit Is7 mobo $ 91.95
memory (corsair twinx 1024-
3200c2pt-(2x512sticks) $259
good 7200 rpm hdd like seagate
or western digital $75ish to $135ish
good 9600xt card (assuming first reply post is accurate)
like HIS (Hightech Information Systems) <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">9600xt</A> or other reliable brand $160ish to $180ish
or $200-$250ish for 9800pro
dvd rw listed above $ 72
floppy $ 12
artic silver 5 $ 7-11 (website has instructions)
case $ 25-55ish
good power supply like antec true power 430
$80-100??? Others may know of good power sources that are cheaper--ask around.
os win xp? $90 xp home oem
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total cost around $1125 or so(prices are mostly from zipzoomfly some from new egg) P4 3.2 chip is about $100 more than 2.8. p4 3.0 chip is about $40 more than 2.8. Verify for your usage that the best chip is the northwood core ("c" designation) chip.
If you need a mouse and keyboard there are many. I like this logitech one I got with the optical tracking and a microsoft natural keyboard. For light gaming or what not I find a set of cheap creative speakers $19 or so at wall mart adequate.

--Look over this stuff, and do a bit of research, ask some more questions to make sure it is best for your usage before you buy. Crashman or Hardwareboss might help you double check to make sure you are getting what you want. Try messaging them.
--Good luck in a-school. Those guys worked really hard where I went to school.
June 12, 2004 9:10:18 AM

call dell, build your own, send them 10 bux as a bonus!

..this is very useful and helpful place for information...
June 12, 2004 9:58:14 AM

or you could do that...
June 12, 2004 10:13:12 AM

> As long as it gets the job done and I’m not waiting on the
>computer all the time I will be happy!

Unless your budget (and house) is big enough to buy something like <A HREF="http://www.es.jamstec.go.jp/esc/eng/GC/b_photo/esc05.jp..." target="_new"> this </A>, you'll be waiting on 3DS to finish its rendering...

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
June 12, 2004 10:51:19 PM

Great scott, batman!
June 12, 2004 10:52:36 PM

So he should go for >2.8 then? 3.2?
Time savings worth $100 more for his usage you think p4?
June 12, 2004 11:28:14 PM

>So he should go for >2.8 then? 3.2?
>Time savings worth $100 more for his usage you think p4?

How would I know ? Point is just that no cpu on earth can instantly create 3DS movie rendering, so you'll have to wait whatever setup you buy. How much money its worth to wait 1-5-50-5000% less, is not something I can intelligently answer to. But FWIW, I did my first 3DS (1.0 under DOS) movie rendering projects on a 486-33Mhz with 4 Mb RAM and a 20 Mb harddisk, and one of my movies won an Autodesk competition against dozens of professionals most of whom had workstations and rendering farms at their disposal.

Then to be fair, I guess I could afford to wait 15-30 minutes for a *single* 640x400 frame to render (had to study you know), and they could not :p  I guess I was also the only contender that could not deliver its movie on an optical disk or SVHS tape or something, and sent in his one and only harddisk instead LOL. Actually not even my harddisk, I deprived my entire family of their computer for a couple of weeks :) 

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
June 13, 2004 6:01:19 PM

Man that sounds cool, p4.
So, how much faster you think 3.2 would be than 2.8 for given tasks?
June 14, 2004 8:20:48 PM

How about this dual Opteron box with 6GB of DDR400 ECC/Registered RAM, two SATA 7200rpm drives in RAID1 for the OS and project archiving, and five U320 15000rpm SCSI drives in RAID5 for active project work?

Antec Plus1080AMG w/430W = $130
Antec Pro 80mm Fan = $13
Antec Pro 80mm Fan = $13
Tyan Thunder K8S EATX Dual Opteron Mobo with dual Gb LAN, SATA, and SCSI = $400
Retail AMD Opteron 250 (2.4GHz) = $875
Retail AMD Opteron 250 (2.4GHz) = $875
Adaptec SCSI RAID 2015S ZCR for RAID5 = $220
Corsair TwinX ECC Registered PC3200 2x1024MB kit = $680
Corsair TwinX ECC Registered PC3200 2x1024MB kit = $680
Corsair TwinX ECC Registered PC3200 2x1024MB kit = $680
Seagate SCSI U320 36.7GB 15000rpm = $200
Seagate SCSI U320 36.7GB 15000rpm = $200
Seagate SCSI U320 36.7GB 15000rpm = $200
Seagate SCSI U320 36.7GB 15000rpm = $200
Seagate SCSI U320 36.7GB 15000rpm = $200
Maxtor SATA 200GB 7200rpm = $130
Maxtor SATA 200GB 7200rpm = $130
3.5" to 5.25" brackets = $5
3.5" to 5.25" brackets = $5
PNY Quadro FX600 256MB PCI Workstation OpenGL Graphics = $630
Lite-On 4x DVD+/-RW = $60
Mitsumi 1.44Mb 3.5" Floppy Drive = $10
Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro = $200
Logitech USB Keyboard Optical Mouse Combo = $30
Windows XP Pro SP1a OEM = $140
Creative Gigaworks S750 Speakers = $415
Iiyama E511S-B 20.1" LCD = $920
Iiyama E511S-B 20.1" LCD = $920

Total = $9161

Of course finding a larger case and a bigger power supply might be a good idea. :\

<font color=red><b><EDIT></b></font color=red> Oops. I forgot cables. How daft of me. Oh well. I'm too lazy to add them to the list and recalculate the total price, so use your imagination. <font color=red><b></EDIT></b></font color=red>

<pre><b><font color=red>"Build a man a fire and he's warm for the rest of the evening.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life." - Steve Taylor</font color=red></b></pre><p><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by slvr_phoenix on 06/14/04 03:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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June 14, 2004 8:47:59 PM

sweet setup if money is not a problem...


Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-3-3-8, Leadtek FX5900 w/ FX5950U bios@500/1000, 2X30gig Raid0
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