ok im abit of an intel fan. but why on earth are intel alowing amd to walk all over them? i think intel is being stubbern. As AMD develops new platform, new Architectures . improve the cores alot. while intel simply sit back and use the old NetBurst architecture and just adding cache ect. Why is intel doing this? i think its time intel needs to wake up to the world!
thats exactly what im talking about just little improvements for the old stuff , instead of scraping the cr@p stuff and getting a new acr , they just do little improvements over the years! and now they wounder why amd are starting to take over
too be honost, amd didn't really develope new architecture. They just using 64bit extensions. They are still using .13 processing. I think intel is stepping forward, it's just not working out great. I am and always will be a big amd fan. I like the underdog.
But that's what he's saying. Intel could turn into the underdog. Although I think it would a lot more time, some serious market shifts, and a lot of blunders on Intel's part.
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Depends how you define underdog. In marketshare and revenue, it will not become the underdog for the foreseeable future, no matter how hard intel screws up. AMD just doesnt have the capacity to supply more than ~25% of the market. Maybe when FAB36 comes online, AMD could supply more, but even then Intel will still undercut AMD to sell enough chips to keep all its fabs more or less busy. Intel has more fab capacity than god, and having them iddle costs a bunch of money. AMD won't complain and gladly settle for selling fewer, but higher margin chips.
When it comes to x86 performance and cpu design, I'd say intel already is the underdog. They are still world class at process engineering, and lots of other things (chipsets, compilers designing interfaces like PCI, AGP, USB, PCI-E, ..), but CPU core design ? Nah, AMD has the better team.
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When it comes to x86 performance and cpu design, I'd say intel already is the underdog.
Hmm Pentium M's.
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A nice example of excellent process engineering, and usefull recycling of a 10 year old core, which I already said, was the best core they ever designed. Maybe even the only truly great core in 25 years.
But however nice Pentium M is, it is not an advanced high performance part, at least not anymore, and not yet, and it remains to be seen if further process engineering miracles can turn it into one again. It won't happen this year though, and probably not even next year. By 2006, it will be competing against the K9, so all bets are off anyhow.
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I hear that soo much but no one ever provides a link from Intel saying hey we suck we just redid the P3.
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It won't happen this year though, and probably not even next year.
Oh we got ourselves a wager.
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yeh but i think its time intel started devloped a new core. more and more amd fans are coming around these days. I think the way intel needs to get more fanboys is to, design a core that would beat AMD at games! Could T&L units be intergrated into a CPU core?
because its true. It just is a reworked P3 core, which by itselve is an enhanced PPro. they just slapped on a P4 bus interface, added SSE2 and a larger cache, and did some minor tweaks, most of which related to saving power. And obviously they produce the chip on a process aggressively geared for low power. The core itselve is nearly unchanged, just compare the die pictures, it looks like a perfect copy/paste.
>but no one ever provides a link from Intel saying hey we
>suck we just redid the P3.
Now that is suprising really.
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