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June 20, 2004 6:18:00 AM

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June 20, 2004 8:29:34 AM

Great job once again.
The one thing I would like to mention is the lack of xp-m chips in the OC section. They are currently the amd OC chip of choice.
June 20, 2004 10:00:58 AM

Nice work. Some things you could perhaps also add, because the questions arise so often here:
- Prescott or Northwood ? (obvious answer of course NW<3.6,PSC when everything else is somehow not an option :) 
- Maybe a word on DDR2 even though its not directly cpu related; the question is going to come up often, would be nice to be able to refer the faq. Idem for PCI-E.
- I still think you're doing AMD64 unjustice. The way it is worded now, it sounds like its only going to be usefull with 4 GB until after 2006, which not even die hard intel fans would claim today. AMD64 at least has the potential to bring significant performance boost for things like encoding, rendering, image editing or video editing, and it has some potential for gaming. Some of that potential will be realized within the next 6-12 months. Its also going to be the defacto standard about a year from here; and not everyone upgrades his PC every year or two.

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June 20, 2004 4:39:35 PM

Great job. With lots of good info. Job well done.
June 21, 2004 11:12:56 AM

-When I recommeneded <3.6 GHz P4, then I've always said "x.xxC GHz". C means "NW C", so Prescott vs. NW is solved.

-Will think about it.

-If I say about AMD64 performance boost in encoding/rendering/video editing without WinXP 64 bit edition (final version) and AMD64 apps, then it's going to make the whole thing controversial. I think the time to write something like that is not now, it's in near future

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June 21, 2004 11:41:19 AM

>If I say about AMD64 performance boost in
>encoding/rendering/video editing without WinXP 64 bit
>edition (final version) and AMD64 apps, then it's going to
>make the whole thing controversial.

There is nothing controversial about saying it holds a <b>potential</b> for significant future performance increases under XP64 when it is launched (scheduled for Q4 this year). I challenge anyone to disagree with such a statement.

Fact is, there are already some significant (15% is significant IMHO) increases seen on XP64 beta running existing 32 bit apps (that do not rely on 3D graphics). Is that controversial ? Its a simple fact.

> I think the time to write something like that is not now,
>it's in near future

That is BS. People are buying now, not in the near future. If you want to inform them for their purchase, you should do it properly, and not just restate intel marketing delusions about 64 bit "memory extentions" being only usefull after 2007 with more than 4 GB RAM.

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June 21, 2004 2:17:15 PM

I strongly agree with you P4Man. AMD products often looks like the black sheep when it's not.

AMD64 architecture is strong and more futureproof than any Intel P4C/E in terms of software capabilities. When comes to chipsets and features the new Intel platform have some advantages, but many of the Intel new goodies will drive the system cost very high. And this might affect potential buyer. At least, the one, who cares about their money and price/performance.

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June 22, 2004 9:09:09 AM

I've added following lines.

<i>AMD64 also has the potential to bring significant performance boost at encoding, rendering, image editing or video editing if used with AMD64 compatible OS and applications. Windows for AMD64 should be available within 2004 and then many 32 bit windows applications are expected to be ported to AMD64.</i>

Now happy? :smile:

New addition in this update: Prescott "A", and it's black listed.

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June 22, 2004 9:30:23 AM

I can live with that, even if you left out games and omitted the fact even 32 bit apps can gain "significantly" under a 64 bit OS :p 
I think its also worthwhile adding intel is expected to bring out compatible 64 bit enabled Pentium 4's by the end of the year.

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June 22, 2004 10:21:33 AM

Only very latest games will be ported to AMD64. People will play too many older games, and according to latest beta AMD64 ATI/nVidia driver benchmarks, I think these games won't have performance gain at all and may have 2%-3% performance drop in some cases.

Significant 32 bit app. performance boost was noticed only in one anandtech benchmark. I've seen no similar performance boost in anywhere else (including Anandtech). I don't have much hope about 32 bit performance boost under 64 bit OS. IMO, performance won't drop or performance drop will be minimal/not noticable with 32 bit app + 64 bit OS.

I will add about "EMT64" P4s very soon.

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