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Vapor   06-24-2004 at 09:22:10 AM

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2093" target="_new">No joke.</A>

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.

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ChipDeath   06-24-2004 at 10:37:34 AM
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Who would've predicted <i>that</i>?

Even so, I still can't see any enthusiasts buying one over an AXP.

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bandikoot   06-24-2004 at 10:40:28 AM
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Nope. While it is an improvement over the previous celerons and appears to have halfway decent pricing, the AXPs still appear to be the better buy.

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ChipDeath   06-24-2004 at 10:46:43 AM
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As with the old one, it'll be people going to PCWorld to buy a computer and seeing "2.8Ghz Intel Processor" who buy them. Still not particularly good value for money, but good enough for their e-mail.

Maybe that's a good thing, because they should notice it grinding to a halt because of Viruses, Spyware & Adware slightly quicker than with a better performing setup :lol:

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bandikoot   06-24-2004 at 11:01:38 AM
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Yeah, a number of years back my parents "upgraded" their PIII 750 to a PIV 1.4ish GHz (don't remember exactly, I think it might have been slower than that) celeron while I was away at college. I told them to talk to me before they do something silly again but since it does e-mail and age of empires just fine they didn't seem to care too much. Still, they could have gotten something better for the money.

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endyen   06-24-2004 at 11:26:37 AM
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But that is with a 133 fsb. If these suckers can get past 166, they are the next xp-m. A nice IS-7 board, some cheap samsung pc3200, and you've got a nice inexpensive set-up.

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Spitfire_x86   06-24-2004 at 01:12:38 PM
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Why did they upgrade? P3 750 can do e-mail and age of empires without any problem.

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Anonymous   06-24-2004 at 01:27:55 PM
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Captain Obvious is suprised that the D managed to beat the AXP on a few benchmarks!

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bandikoot   06-24-2004 at 01:45:28 PM
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Dunno. Too much money and nothing to do with it maybe. They could have spent it on me. :lol:

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insanity   06-25-2004 at 08:20:34 PM
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It would have been safer to say that all they did for the new chips is mechanically remove half the cache on the chip and re-release it

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Spitfire_x86   06-26-2004 at 08:00:51 AM
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I'm not surprised since they didn't include AXP 2700+

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Zeekfu   06-26-2004 at 09:42:07 AM
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Captain Obvious is suprised that the D managed to beat the AXP on a few benchmarks!

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endyen   06-26-2004 at 09:56:51 AM
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The old celeron 2.8 was on par with a P4a at 1.7, while the new celeron 2.8 is on par with a P4b at 2.6. That is quite the jump.

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ric449   06-26-2004 at 01:48:27 PM
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Have you seen the overclock these processors can achieve?!?!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] ron-d.html

They even outpace a P4 3.2GHz C! I think Intel are on a winner with this new line of Celerons.

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TheRod   06-26-2004 at 05:55:40 PM
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Next thing I want to see is Sempron vs Celeron D benchmarks, from what I see. AMD will not necessarly have a huge lead in the low-end market from now.

The first Celeron that deserve to be call a CPU.

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intelfanboy   06-26-2004 at 07:23:29 PM
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When the highest clocked celeron d is released (3.2Ghz) do you think it will be a good overclocker? I am wondering which of these celerons I should purchase.

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TheRod   06-27-2004 at 12:34:14 AM
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Usually, the best overclockers are the lowest speed CPU. They do not necessarly reach the highest speed, but they usually have lot more "headroom".

For example : the AMD Barton 2500+ is often prefer to the 3200+, because it can be clocked in the same speed range for a fraction of the price. The same thing for Northwood Pentium 4 CPU, the best overclocker's are the 2.4GHz to 2.8GHz versions. They cost less and can reach appr. the same speed. It's why I would get a Celeron D 2.8GHz, it will reach nearly the same speed when overclocked, and it will cost less.

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intelfanboy   06-27-2004 at 06:44:20 AM
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I think you mean the 2.6 Ghz. Is this a Northwood chip?
Intel® Pentium® 4 - 2.8B-GHz @ 533Mhz w/ 512k
It costs ~$50 canadian more I wonder if its worth it. My mobo supports 533 bus only. It will cost me ~50 for a zalman fan for the celeron when I choose to overclock it so I don't know if it makes sense.

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endyen   06-27-2004 at 07:50:02 AM
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The OC is not quite up to expectations. At 3.8, it seems to be on par with the xp-3200. It would need to beat that by > 10% to keep up with the xp-m 2500's OCing potential.
Oh well, for the price, and Intel, and for those who would sacrifice perf for a name it's a good chip.

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baldurga   06-28-2004 at 01:22:24 PM
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And have you seen the overclock people are getting from Barton mobile?

IMO Intel has made a great step from junk to a CPU, at least something you can talk and not laugh. There is still a gap between Celeron and similar priced AMD CPUs, but is not as big as before.

I want to see if 3.8Ghz are "predictable/standard" overclock gain or just a very lucky one. And also when talking about overclocked CPUs, we should compare a 3.8Ghz Celeron with a 2.4Ghz Barton. Don't know of any review yet.


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endyen   06-29-2004 at 01:30:24 AM
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For gaming, the Celeron D seems about on par with the xp3200+ @ 2.2, so an xp-m at 2.4 or better would be about 10% faster.

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