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July 1, 2004 1:13:52 AM

I currently have an AMD XP 2500 barton processor, but I have been thinking about doing an upgrade on my system and possibly switching over to intel. I do a lot of video gaming and was wondering what kind of processor to upgrade with. I am looking at keeping processor cost under $300. I am interested in the P4 3.4Ghz Prescott or the AMD Athlon 64 3200. Would one of these processors be a good upgrade or is there something else that is under $300? Also, which mobo should I get with the processor?

My system:
AMD XP 2500+ (won't OC past 2.0Ghz)
Thermalright SLK-800u with a thermaltake smart fan (a1214)
Abit NF7-S v2.0
Corsair 2 x 256MB pc3200c2pt
Hercules Radeon 9800 pro 128mb
NEC ND1300A
Thermaltake Xaser 3 with 420W PSU.

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July 1, 2004 2:24:45 AM

what the hell is "video gaming"?

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July 1, 2004 2:32:09 AM

If you can find a P4e@3.4 expect to pay $419. Expect to pay a premium for cooling. You will also probably have to pay extra for aPCIexp video card.
July 1, 2004 2:53:16 AM

Your better off with a P4 2.8C Prescotts are to hot as of know. You do alot of gaming A64 is better for that.
July 1, 2004 6:40:58 AM

I meant to say that I play a lot of video games. Is the A64 3200 a good OC'er? What motherboards work best with the A64 processors?

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July 1, 2004 7:24:52 AM

Just pick up an xp-m 2500. It will cost about $100 and most get to 2.4 or higher.
July 1, 2004 7:35:16 AM

It depends how much you plan to keep your PC. If you'll completely change it in one year, the A64 is just fine, but if you only plan to upgrade aftera while, or not even that, you better get the 3500+ on S939(not sure of the exact price) and upgrade after a few months to 2PCI-E cards (SLI), then the video should be strong enough for at least one year or more.
Tha A64 on S745 only has a single channel mem controller, unlike the A64 on S939 wich has a dual channel mem controller(big difference).
July 1, 2004 11:04:18 PM

"what the hell is "video gaming"?"

Ever played "rebel assault" or "mad dog macree"?
July 2, 2004 12:01:43 AM

well if your a big gamer, then an ahtlon 64 is the better deal for you, no matter how well they might overclock. if you can afford it, i would also suggest you buy into s939 and an athlon 3500+, but that would be over your 300 limit so it may be out of the question. s939 will give you a longer upgrade path, but if you cant afford it, then an s754 ahtlon 64 3200+ would be fine.

id match that 3200+ with an msi k8n neo platinum mobo or even an asus k8n deluxe (although it wont be out till later in july), that would maximize your features and performance on s754.

now id seriosuly consider saving up your money untill you can get an 3500+ and s939 mobo if you plan on wanting to upgrade in the next year, but really its not a big deal if you cant wait, youll still enjoy the 3200+ and its good enough for any game out right now.
July 2, 2004 12:32:37 AM

I don't think an upgrade is worth it. A xp 2500+ @ 2.0 ghz is enough for any game. You may as well wait, save up more money for a better upgrade when you'll really need it. What game do you play that actually slows down your system?

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July 2, 2004 12:44:47 AM

Endyen will the 2500 xp-m improve my system all that much? I can get up to 2Ghz right now and if it only goes up to 2.4 that isn't all that much of a gain. I have a hard time spending $100 to only get 400Mhz more than what I can get now.

Far Cry seems to be the game that puts my system to the test right now. It has been getting slowed down and I can't figure out whats doing it. It even stays slow after I close my virus scan and firewall. I've thought about reformatting and reinstalling WinXP, but I don't know if that will really give me a performance gain.

Thanks everyone for the input you guys have given me. I think I might save up and just try to get the s939.

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July 2, 2004 1:42:57 AM

What videocard you have ?


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Looks like intel spent more on bribing reviewers to cover up it aint that great than they did in R&D, you know what im talking about Tom !
July 2, 2004 5:14:39 AM

Hercules 9800 pro 128MB (r350 core and 2.5ns samsung mem.)

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July 2, 2004 6:20:01 AM

That's exactly what I said in the post just above yours.
July 2, 2004 6:27:43 AM

Defragment your HDD. I was playing DeusEx very smoothly, and after a few days it barely moved, well, I mean not smooth. Defragmenting the HDD will do it.

Also have you chaned your driver settings recently, like activating AntiAliasing or Anisotropic filtering from the driver, if so, change them back.

Last but not least, how full is your HDD? Did you mess with the paging file(virtual memory settings)
July 3, 2004 12:02:40 AM

I haven't defraged my HD recently so I can do that and see if it will help. I have my page file set to the free space on my D drive partition so it has like 11GB free to use for the page file. Thanks for the tips nuke.

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July 3, 2004 2:00:54 AM

You would have a hard time telling the difference between an Amd at 2.4 and a P4 at 3.4. In that respect, $100 is a lot less than the $500 an Intel system would cost.
July 3, 2004 6:45:33 AM

I'm building both atm. Not intentionally, it just worked out that way. My athlon 1400 system played out so I got a cheap mobo to see if I could revive it. At the same time I was accumulating components for the new system I had been planning for months. I switched from the p4 2.8 system I had just about decided on to athlon 64 3200+ system. I had pretty much intended to go intel this time. The switch was largely based on questions and answers from the helpful people on this forum and the review sites they referred me to.

As it turned out the 1400+ cpu in the old system was bad as well as other components so basically I have made a whole new build except memory, case, floppy and heatsink/fan. It looks like the memory might be bad too. Also, time will tell if this heat sink/fan from the old cpu will do for the new athlon 2600+ mobile if I overclock it a bit.

If I fire these two comps up and the athlon 64 3200+ doesn't run circles around the piecework athlon 2500+ mobile build I am gonna go postal, lol. Time well tell. I am curious to see if all those benchmarks really mean anything in practical application or it is just hype. :smile:

I was showing a friend of mine those benchmarks and he said he didn't understand 200 fps on em. He said that videos are around 30 fps or something like that. I guess the headroom gives more leeway for slowdowns in heavy trafficked areas with lots of action/lag/input?


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July 3, 2004 7:03:53 AM

thanks for the input endyen. Since the 2500-m and the 2600-m are close in price, would it be better for me to go with the 2600-m? I know it's not much higher clock rate but I think I would get a little more headroom for OC'ing it?

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July 4, 2004 3:55:21 AM

Probably not. It is more a question of luck (and stepping of course). Some people get great OCs on the xp-m2400+ while others cant get the xp-m2600 past 2.2. Experience and a good hsf are also important. Good luck.
July 4, 2004 5:25:09 AM

I was looking at the 2600-m on excaliberpc.com it has the IQYHA stepping. Do you know if this is a good stepping for this processor? Do you know of some other steppings that are good? I have the SLK-800u with the Thermaltake A1214 fan on it, I think this would be sufficient cooling for it.

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July 4, 2004 9:51:04 AM

Wait a mo. Two of my mates bought standard 2500s, not Ms. They also have nf7 r2.0 boards, and by increasing fsb to 200, they got a freee overclock to 3200 speeds. With stock cooling. So it may not be 2.4ghz, but its as good as the last xp chip, and in fact runs cooler than the amd 3200 standard :|

Just a thought.

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July 4, 2004 7:01:39 PM

The only problem is that my processor doesn't go past 200fsb and I have to drop my multiplier to 10 and iup the voltage to 1.8. I didn't get a very good CPU for OC'ing and that's why I'm looking at the XP-m processors

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July 6, 2004 3:04:13 PM

My research on the mobile 2600 led me to buy the IQYHA stepping. I read alot of good things about it. Mine does 3200 speeds at about I.52v (vcore). I just haven't tried for more yet because the pc sits in room with no ac, and gets full sun in the late afternoon and early evening (so its rather warm). Haven't yet heard of anybody with that chip being disapointed.

Mobile XP 2600+ (11X200)
Abit NF7-S v 2.0
Maxtor 60GB ATA 133 7200RPM
512MB Corsair Twinx 3200LL
BBA 9800 Pro
Enermax Noisetaker 420 watts
Win98SE
July 7, 2004 3:54:08 AM

thanks for the input coyote

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