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Hey guys,
I have an old motherboard, an asus a7v133

I currently have a 1.1 ghz athlon tbird in it, working fine.

I was fairly certain that the motherboard could go up to 1.8 ghz so I purchased the following
AMD Athlon XP 1800+

Unfortunately It doesnt work, I get nothing, no bios, no ram count just blank. When I put back my old cpu everything works again.

Am I retarded? is the XP 1800 completely different to the 1800 tbird? Any suggestions as to what might be wrong?
 
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<A HREF="http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cbios_dl/cbios_dl.aspx?MB=A7V133&CPU=Athlon XP 1800+(Model 6)(Palomino)&BIOS=1007" target="_new">I'm a good guy</A>

Click on the link above, your MB support the 1800+ if you update your BIOS to version 1007.

Good luck!

NOTE : In the future, please check the manufacturer website before posting in this forum. These questions/problems are often answered in support section of mMB manufacturer. And, you should have checked this BEFORE buying your new CPU. So, you would have updated your BIOS and would have a better experience, less trouble with your CPU upgrade.

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Well all athlon xp are at least 266fsb and that mobo you have is 133 fsb. You would have to downclock the CPU to 133 which will greatly drop the cpu speed. Even if there was a bios update, you would need to uprage the ram to pc 2100. Honestly mobo and ram upgrade is needed. Just get the ASUS a7v266 mobo, its a damn good one, with some crucial pc 2100 ram. Shouldnt cost too much.

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I notice in your sig that your fsb is "only 220". If all xps run at 266, why are you underclocking yours by 46? In truth, your chip is designed for a 133 fsb, fairly normal for T-bred cores, and xp-m chips. His board supports xp1800+.
 
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No, that board DOES NOT support 133MHz FSB, and YES the CPU IS 133MHz FSB. "Downclocking" to 133 won't work because the 1800+ runs at 133 by default!

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Your board sucks. It doesn NOT support XP processors AT ALL. It doesn't even support "266MHz bus" Athlons (with 133MHz bus clock). The A7V133 is based on the failed KT133 chipset, which only worked at bus speeds around 115MHz and lower.



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Thanks for the link The Rod,

I had no idea that bios updates were needed to support newer processes. I dont claim to be a computer genius and thats why I asked here. If I had any inclination that it could of been a bios problem I would of checked the asus web site.

As for the comments about the [-peep-] mobo or "Your board sucks" I am well aware that it is not top notch, thats why its my 2nd computer which I use as a stereo and home theatre system.

Thanks for your help
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Getting a lapse in memory or someting?

"I notice in your sig that your fsb is "only 220". "

That is my raw system clock. My FSB is double that (DDR tech DUH!) so it is 440. If you read little futher, it will say this.

"your chip is designed for a 133 fsb"

Every true OCer does not care about what is is designed to do but what it can do. The mobile chips are 133 to keep the heat and voltage down for notebook are screwed in HSFs and energy sources. Its old news but the mobile bartons are nothing but handpicked desktop barton chips.

I think you just way misconstruded the situation to the point that youve lost me. I forgive you, drink some more Dew.... WAKE UP!!!!

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A7V is KT133.
A7V133 is KT133A, doing what KT133 was supposed to do but didn't. That is, support PC133 memory AND run FSB at 133 Mhz.

<b>56K, slow and steady does not win the race on internet!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 07/08/04 03:09 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
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A7V133 has been a very troublesome board to upgrade the CPU for some people and very easy for others.

Apparently depending on which revision of the board you own you have to select a different BIOS version and choose between jumper mode and jumper free mode.

To show you what I mean here is a table from a now defunct Asus page. Note the differences not only between revisions but also whether it's a desirable dot model (see the "." at the end of the revision number) or a non-dot model.
<pre>Athlon XP 1500+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree
Athlon XP 1600+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree
Athlon XP 1700+(Model 8) 1.05. 1008
Athlon XP 1700+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree
Athlon XP 1800+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree
Athlon XP 1800+(Model 8) 1.05. 1008
Athlon XP 1900+(Model 8) 1.05. 1008
Athlon XP 1900+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree
Athlon XP 2000+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree
Athlon XP 2000+(Model 8) 1.05. 1008
Athlon XP 2100+(Model 8) 1.05. 1008
Athlon XP 2100+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree</pre><p>This table is old and applied originally to Palomino. However, people have had similar experiences (successes and failures) with Tbred, Barton, Applebred, and now Thorton.

Basically, it's better to have an unlocked processor and it's better if it's Tbred B or an unlocked Barton.

IIRC, I believe the prefered BIOS is now 1009 but that may have changed.

People have successfully installed every Socket A processor into the A7V133 but it wasn't always easy.

A couple of places where you can find some user experiences are at the ASUS motherboard forum at <A HREF="http://www.amdmb.com" target="_new">www.amdmb.com</A> and in Asus newgroup on Usenet, alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus (use Google groups if you don't have a news reader).



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Crashman hates VIA chipsets. His digs are becoming more and more brutal.

Don't get him talking about Creative Labs or Rambus.

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Doh! Brain fart, my stepdaughter has an A7V, not the A7V133!

My mistake confusing the two boards. Sorry I forgot.

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I hear VIA's audio solution is fairly good and uses BOUGHT and DEVELOPED technology, not stolen tech, I might be tempted on a VIA audio chip if I didn't have reservations about VIA drivers!

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It is quite simple. The fsb is the number of cycles per second. For the t-bred chips, the front side bus runs at 133 milion cycles per second.
The Double Data Rate memory operates twice per cycle, once on the leading edge, once on the trailing edge. This gives an effective memory speed of twice the fsb. It does not change the number of cycles, but does increase the amount of data. DDR 266 does 266 million operations a second, but , because it does two operations per cycle, it's true speed is only 133 mhz. Vishtain zei?
 
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DUH,

I dont care if he wants to put that chip in there, just dont want to any posting about why is it doing this.

Vishtain zei? -> How about you?

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"Athlon XP 2000+(Model 6) 1.05 1007 1.05 in jumper mode,1.05. or later in jumperfree"
i have 1009 bios and my board is 1.05 (no dot) but all i get is a black screens with my athlon xp 2000+ palomino :( should i try flashing 1007 bios? what is the difference between the 1.05 and 1.05. (dot) could i maybe mod my board?
 
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