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July 17, 2004 9:05:27 AM

Hi there. I'm a gamer in need of help.

During games the CPU suddenly jumps to 80%-100% usage and in consequence slows down the game to an unplayable level. There is another qwirk which is that suddenly the image freezes for about 5 to 10 seconds (just before I can get the long thought after frag, which then instead frags me O_o ...).

My system:
CPU: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
Motherboard: Asus A7V8X
GPU: GeForce FX 5900
Ram: 2*512 Ram (Corsair)

I have been told to check for spyware, which I have done. I have been asked if my drivers where up to date, which they are. I'm quite desperate to find a solution for these problems as I spend a lot of money for my system explicitely for gaming.

please if you have any suggestions or indeed solutions...I need help!!


thx in advance for your help

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by typhuss on 07/17/04 02:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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July 17, 2004 12:37:55 PM

CPU:
Name AMD Athlon XP
Code name Barton
Specification AMD Athlon(TM) XP 3000+
Family/Model/Stepping 6A0
Extended Family/Model 7/A
Package Socket A
Clock Speed 2166.4 MHz
Clock multiplier x13.0

Chipset:
Northbridge VIA KT400 (VT8377) rev. 0
Southbridge VIA VT8235 rev. 0
AGP Revision 3.5
AGP Transfert Rate 8x
AGP SBA supported, enabled
AGP Aperture 64 MBytes
Memory Type DDR
Memory Size 1024 MBytes
Memory Frequency 166.6 MHz (1:1)
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 7

2x
Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer Corsair
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2700 (166 MHz)
Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 133 166
CAS# 2.0 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 3 3
RAS# Precharge 3 3
TRAS# 6 7
July 17, 2004 12:38:38 PM

ive had the same problem but it was a spyware and 1 proggie didnt find it so i now use cwshredder, adaware and spybot between the 3 they find most of ur problems if u keep them upto date

If u do things right.... People won't be sure you've done anything at all......
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July 17, 2004 12:46:46 PM

ok i'll try removing any spyware again... though this problem was there even after formating the system...
i also want to flash my bios, but that looks a bit tricky.
i am using asus's 4in1 drivers, but have been told to use nforce drivers by users of another board. is this compatible or indeed necesary?
July 17, 2004 2:15:50 PM

Try looking through your registry and startup items. Check msconfig. Alot of times spyware removal programs wiln't find them. Sometimes you have to remove them yourself.

AMD64 2800+
MSI Neo-Fis2r
512mb Kingmax ddr400
Sapphire 9800pro 128mb
10K WD Raptor
July 17, 2004 5:18:19 PM

Your Motherboard is not a bad board however it is very limited in running overclock settings, this being the case I can tell it is causing your graphics card and CPU slow downs on the hardware side even running at stock speeds.

I used to own a A7V8X and in fact my wife's computer with an XP2800+ still uses it.

Ok down to business!! All games use 100% CPU usage they have for some time now it's just how it works to keep it simple.

If you are looking for that frag in online games then the problem with the computer freezing is a bandwidth problem and partly because the A7V8X motherboard you have has 2 drawbacks.

The first problem is that it is 8X AGP BUSS and that would be great if we were all still using graphics cards with less then 128MB at 8X AGP but your card is faster then the A7V8X can handle when matched with a Cable or DSL online connection.

Here is what is happening to you.

When your online for various reasons the connection PINGS in game fluctuate up and down and this causes extra stress on the CPU to keep up with your bandwidth, combined with the AGP high end graphics card you have Hogging the AGP buss for Bandwidth your system is actually drowning it's self.

Solution.

You need to get your bandwidth speeds down on your internet connection. try setting your NIC card Network or onboard LAN to a lower connection speed like Full 10 Duplex. Your NIC is proly default set to Full Autonegotion allowing all your bandwidth to constantly slam into the CPU.

The second thing you can do is to Purchase a A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 Motherboard the prices are well under $80.00 Can so lower in the U.S I am sure.
This board has 2 built in Network devices one is the 3COM standard Internet LAN or Network card this is a good RJ45 connection but not as well planned out for gamers as the BUILT IN Nvidia nForce MCP Networking RJ45 connection. With the Nvidia NIC or network card you have the option to set the driver to 2 setting one is All available bandwidth and the other OPTION lets you set the NIC to CPU man that is very nice and thought of I am sure by Nvidia for the gamers out there.

Setting the NIC card to CPU only allows enough bandwidth to keep your connection stable and fast as your CPU or lets encompass the whole computer by saying the connection speeds can no longer drown out the computers bandwidth allowing the AGP buss and CPU to communicate without getting drowned out by resource hungry connection packets.

Using the CPU load level choke on the Network card will prevent those computer freezes in game. The freeze happens when the CPU and AGP buss grab a breath trying to compute all the DATA and from your end it looks like a freeze of the game screen. In computer time anything that we can see that takes that long is an ICE-AGE event within the computer. Not good for the computer or hardware at all.

Your current RAM and Graphics card as well as your CPU will transplant very nicely into the new A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 Motherboard.

Now if you are only gamming at home and not online unlikely since you said you were hunting for possible Trojan and viruses you will still get game freezes with the AGP Buss of the A7V8X motherboard and the XP3000+ Cpu that would be much better off in the A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 Motherboard. I still use the A7V8X in my wife's computer but she only has a XP2800+ and it is running at 200MHz Memory speeds and a CPU speed of 2.0 just under 2.1 MHz.

If you are using the Steam Network to online game get used to Viruses Trojans and Bogus Registry keys as well as server side or hacker modified config folders. Hackers hack good players right through the game server right through the Steam Network.

Get a good fire wall set it to the Highest level this can also cause split second game freezing.............Now get your self a good IP scanner like COMMVIEW when you are in a game in Steam hit the windows key and go to the desktop and open COMMVIEW \Start it and watch the IP's that come in if you got your fire wall set-up correctly you should see a couple IP's from your ISP and ONE IP from the game server you are on.
The trick here is to see if a hacker is trying to mess up your connection times or hack into your computer when you are in game. Look at the game server IP number you are on if it has one port, Example [27015] and just that port you are ok but if you see that port, Example 27015,137,344 <---With 2 known Trojan ports or any other port hanging off the back of the server port you can bet your last Beer that some connectivity hacker is trying to access your computer piggybacking over the server IP number.

Make a fire wall rule allowing the Server IP on port 27015 this will allow you to play on that Server IP under that port. Now make another fire wall rule and this one is important and never thought of. Make a new rule Denying that Server IP but only for ports 137,344. What this does is it will block that Server IP but only on the ports specified in the example, or whatever port you see hiding behind the real server port.

I have used this for some time now and server in the game list that I ping at 80 ping then I go into the game fluctuate between 80 and 4 or 500 ping I use this approach to blocking the tag-on ports then my pings drop back to 80 ping and stay there.

I believe many Admin's online use third party chat in the games to watch and talk to each other so the regular players cant hear them like Roger Wilco or MSN but I also know connectivity hackers do the same thing accept to cause harm.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Air Cooled 45C
2x512 Corsair DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
July 17, 2004 5:55:46 PM

that is finally my long looked for answer. THANK YOU SoDNighthawk.

this idea of problems with the mobo had in fact crossed my mind but I put it off imagining this couldn't actually cause me so much trouble...

i tried all sorts of programs to remove spyware/trojans/viruses etc which worked fine (still have the other problems though :) . now i'm trying to get regrun to handle cftmon.exe and to stop popping up on every startup telling me to accept the deletion of that f###ing value.

anyway thx a bundle

---a happy gamer---
July 18, 2004 4:42:44 AM

You have to consider that most of the problems you are having and things I have learned to overcome even as a computer tech and home user is.........The problems we see and have are hacker related at the basic to malicious levels especially if you online game.

They do not want to be very helpful in explaining what the problems are or how to fix them so you get the 24/7 run around. As you can see if you goggle search problems you end up on foreign language sites and sites that need to be logged into for tech support or you get the guy that asks his friend in a chat room how to perform cold fusion and his friend offers banana popsicles in a microwave.

However as I have worked as a computer tech in the past for some time it has been my job to correct these problems and have learned how to at least cope with them. I always try even if I fail to give the most correct solutions to problems I have read about or experienced first hand and solved.

The hackers always will have the upper hand it is so much easier to destroy then to create.

Another thing you can do and I am adding this post to one I just lost as Tom's is running so very slow..........

Goto HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE using the regedit command in the Start/run box. Goto the Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run & RunOnce and the RunOnceEX registry keys in there you can right click and remove the registry key that starts certain programs you DO NOT want to start with the computer.

For example my Digital Camera has a Camera Dock and a Browse to the Web Folder Icon. Well I use the Camera Dock to plug the camera into to download my pictures into the P.C but I never publish my personnel pictures to the internet so I deleted the key that starts the share to the web picture part of on HP camera software.
The only way I can shut that part of the software from starting with windows because looking at the software install any place else in the computer it is a bundle and you cannot shut the Web-Part off.

Knowing how to tweak your registry is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If your not sure what something is do a Google search on it and hope you get an explanation in most cases you do then you can make an informed decision on deleting a registry key or not.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Air Cooled 45C
2x512 Corsair DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
July 18, 2004 7:48:53 AM

and the flux capacitor has a marginal electron capacity of 6 gigajoules in the negative refractive quadrant

<i><font color=blue>Edited by Scamtron on 10/11/01 09:58 PM
July 18, 2004 7:53:14 AM

do you really think you can troubleshoot his issue from the details he gave? oh and btw your so off the mark its not even funny, theres no way in bloody hell a nic can flood a CPU with data so it chokes, perhaps if you had gigabit lan it might saturate the pci bus if you are doing tons of stuff at once ... but the amount of data that comes through network connections is tiny compared to the massive data a cpu can actually pass through.. and it certainly doesnt even touch the agp bus which is something different altogether again roflmao!


were talking a broadband connection here, just a few megabit at most . he needs to clean his PC, or upgrade his drivers which are thigns you already suddgested

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July 18, 2004 9:46:26 AM

Just go into the start menu (in "run" type msconfig, then click on the startup tab) and unclick msn messenger.
While you are there unclick everything else, and get a major performance boost.
July 19, 2004 6:48:46 AM

I already tried that... have the newest drivers, unchecked msn messenger. the problem even stayed after formatting the damn machine.

could you perhaps tell me if the other part concerning the mobo is right...

I'm not a technician and NIC and such things are unknown territory for me. I try to make some sense out of them and SoDNighthawks answer looks promising...
July 19, 2004 7:16:40 AM

yes but you see SodNightHawk does that, he ties things together that sounds similar but in reality they have very little connection to eachother, and altho his post seems to make sense in lamens terms he really doesnt know how it works and trust me its not accurate at all


a NIC is a network card. the problem you describe could be alot of things, and "freezing" or "lag" doenst tell us whats happening. those terms are misused ALL the time.. it could be something in your bios where your AGP aperature is too low and causing the pausing (unlikely) .. it could be a hardware conflict (doesnt mean a hardware failure), could be irq's... dude it could be SO MANY THINGS that its impossible for me to say anything, and yea that makes me look like a dumbass for flaming SoD . lemme think about it, ill try to think what it could be. post any info you can think of

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July 19, 2004 7:25:31 AM

what motherboard drivers are you using?

which version of directx?

which video card drivers?

which sound card drivers?

what processes are running in the background?

when the game freezes for 5 seconds, what else is happening? is the hard drive light coming on? can you alt-tab out of the game , or is your system completely frozen and then jerks back to life?

anything like this will help

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July 19, 2004 8:16:00 AM

all drivers are the latest available on the respective pages.

mobo driver:
VIA 4 in 1 driver Package Service v4.49

bios:
A7V8X BIOS 1014

directx:
9.0b

video card driver:
nvidia's 56.72

sound is onboard

when the game freezes I can't do anything except wait for it to jerk back to life. while freezing, the sound goes on or repeats itself, stoping for a moment just before the system gets back to normal state.
when everything slows down i can get out by either alt-tab, windows-key or ctrl-alt-del. as soon as i do this everything is back to normal on the desktop...

is there a way to get a printout of the processes running or do I have to write them down manually into notepad or something?
July 19, 2004 4:32:04 PM

Also, games do not necessarily use 100% of your CPU. If this was the case, all games would freeze completely until more CPU cycles became available. Also, people would not be able to run 2 instances of EverQuest on the same computer.

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
July 19, 2004 7:37:59 PM

I stumbled onto a poll concerning SoD's ability to help people out of problems... :eek:  and I now have certain doubts about his advice.

so my problem hasn't actually to do with my mobo? or could he be right on that one...?
wouldn't want to buy new stuff if my current system is alright...(which it isn't or else I wouldn't be here asking stupid questions :tongue: )

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by typhuss on 07/19/04 10:37 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 19, 2004 9:04:19 PM

Quote:
The first problem is that it is 8X AGP BUSS and that would be great if we were all still using graphics cards with less then 128MB at 8X AGP but your card is faster then the A7V8X can handle when matched with a Cable or DSL online connection.


Video cards can't even fully utilize the bandwidth of a <b>4x</b> AGP slot, let alone an 8x. I'm sorry SoD, but if you're going to provide information, please make sure it's accurate. I've called you on your BS before... and will continue to do so for as long as you keep posting it.

Yes, SoD uses a lot of technical jargon and at face value, it appears he knows what he's talking about. However, a little research soon shows his 'advice' for what it really is... FUD. We're talking about a person who claims his success in online FPS is 100% due to the CPU he chooses to use in his system.

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
July 20, 2004 2:36:21 AM

I suspect that your onboard sound COULD be the culprit, what games are you playing when this happens?

Although I am not aware about the quality of the VIA chipsets onboard sound quality, you said that when it freezes the sound repeats. It could be your onboard sound is eating away mass cpu cycles rendering the sound. Maybe could be a conflict with the onboard sound. Do you use a lot of onboard devices? What wattage is your PSU rated?

Have you updated your onboard sound drivers?

Have you recently added any hardware or software to your computer?

Did you check Device Manager and see if there are any conflicts?

P4C 3.0ghz
Asus P4C800E-D
GeForceFX 5900 Ultra 256MB
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200GB WDJB HDD
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July 20, 2004 6:54:40 AM

Device manager tells me everything is okay. The onboard sound drivers should be updated automatically via VIA's 4in1 driver package. I have been installing new software regularly, but the problem exists since some time and I am quite sure it has to do with my hardware. I was hunting for viruses etc because it was strongly suggested by another board I used, and this didn't realy improve performance a lot (I got rid of some spyware though :tongue: ).

The sound device is the only onboard device I'm using.

My PC does these things with nearly all games online and offline (except the OLD ones).

I have no idea what the wattage rate of my PSU? is???

I'll deactivate the sound device and see if I still get these freezes... would that, by any chance, tell me if it was related?



<font color=red>Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most</font color=red>
July 20, 2004 7:10:20 AM

What fsb are you running at? If that is a newer xp3000+ (200 fsb), your board does not support it. If it's a 166 fsb chip, try running it at 155.
You might also want to raise your agp aperture to 128.
July 20, 2004 7:16:42 AM

How can I check at what FSB I'm running?
How can I change it (the case being) to 155?
How can I change my agp aperture and what does it do?



<font color=red>Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most</font color=red>
July 20, 2004 7:20:21 AM

Using your Network settings lower your Bandwidth to 10BaseT from 100 throughput from full auto negotiate.

After you do that the game freezing will either disappear or happen less frequently.

If that does not solve your problem get the A7N8X deluxe MoB ver 2.0

After you see that what I am telling you is fact please post back here and tell these retards your problem is solved.

You are letting the idiots sway your respect of someone who is trying to help you in fact from your first posting the only person that tried to help you.

P.S any guy that talks about Counter Strike is a born hacker never listen to guys like them.

If you are using the Steam Network for CS or for DoD or any other game and most are now the computer freezing is in fact from hacker abuse not related to in game hacking but connectivity issues caused from hackers at the network levels.

Reducing your NIC cards ability to auto negotiate at full bandwidth and lowering it to 10 BaseT or to 100 BaseT or changing out the MoB to a better chip set including the onboard Nvidia LAN RJ45 where you set it from Full Autonegotiate to CPU will solve your problem.

I am and have been an Engineer for the last 20 years in High tech.

Many of these lemmings are cliff dwellers waiting to drop of a ledge into the unknown based on their grade 9 educations don't listen to them and do as I suggest.

After you see the problem solved please post back that it is, I would thank you for that.

Of course it doesn't hurt at all that I had the same MoB and the same problems in my wife's P.C and I fixed it the same way.

2 other things you can do are these. MS still has not corrected the operating system for XP to set these defaults on. If you are using XP home or Pro set these settings.

goto Start/Run and use the following command ( secpol.msc ) follow the path into Local Policies then Security Options. Once in there change the line That reads Shutdown: Clear virtual memory pagefile. Set it to Enabled by right clicking on it properties ENABLE this will clear your Virtual memory at P.C shut down and restart cleansing some of the graphics trash left over from the last game or crash you had. Microsoft should have this set to Enabled at install of 2000 or XP but they do not.

The other thing I want you to do is set your hard drive from 33 to 66 speeds in 2000 and XP all these tards including the know it alls in this post proly have hard drives that are capable of UDMA66 but don't even know they are running at UDMA33 the whole time even when they are doing all those fancy benchmarks LOL.

GO here!! To perk-up your hard drive or drives

Start/run then regedit

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\ CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

Add a new DWORD and call it ( EnableUDMA66 ), then give it a value of 1 by right clicking on it and entering 1
You will need to restart the computer for the changes to take effect. However, you should notice a definite performance increase relating to hard drive access

This could also improve your current freezing problem.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Air Cooled 45C
2x512 Corsair DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
July 20, 2004 7:51:59 AM

All of the above are in bios. To get to bios hold the delete key while booting.

Just checked the manual. Once you are in bios, go across to the advanced tab, and hit enter. At the top of the page that comes up, it should say CPU speed . This should say manual next to it. If not, change it. Your fsb is called "CPU external frequency" Use the down arrow to get to this, then hit enter. You should get a dropdown menu, that you can change. Change it to 155/33. This reduces the speed of your chip by 6.6%, so if it doesn't help, change it back.
If you go down the page you will see an item called Chip Configuration. If you go to it, and hit enter, it will bring up another screen. About half way down the page, you will see an item called Graphics Aperture Size. Go to it , and change it to 128.
Hit the F10 key, then enter, and your system should reboot, with the bios changes.
If you have never been in the bios before, it might be a good idea to go through it, and have a look first. There are some helpful hints on the right of the screen, and feel free to ask questions here.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by endyen on 07/20/04 04:20 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2004 8:12:58 AM

I don't want to flame anybody here, I'm just looking for some help. There was no offence ment, I was just astonished by this poll.

So... I tried the DWORD thingy and WinXP seems to run smoother and a twitch faster.

Didn't improve my freezing though (would have been too damn easy :wink: ).

Will try the secpol.msc. But I don't see the connection with the freezing... well it's a start.
I have googled the terms and I think this will at least be usefull for overall performance of WinXP.

What I don't get is how the bandwidth affects the games if I play offline. Had frequent freezes with all sorts of shooters. The demo to panzer generals seems to work quite good. Can't push the anisotropic filter too high though.

Will also try endyen's hints.

Edit:In fact WinXP runs quite a bit faster than before when burning cds... my dad is very happy and that's not easily achieved!

<font color=red>Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most</font color=red><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by typhuss on 07/20/04 10:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2004 8:31:55 AM

I have changed the agp aperture to 128 and the only thing which resembled the fsb whas the CPU external frequency, which is running at 166/33.
AGP aperture didn't seem to fix it either.



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July 20, 2004 8:40:20 AM

Checked it few times over now and its still the same problem.

On my way to fumble with the CPU speed.



<font color=red>Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most</font color=red><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by typhuss on 07/20/04 10:43 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2004 9:06:49 AM

Changed the CPU external frequency to 155/31. Tried to play Söldner: Secret Wars. Seemed to work fine when I was alone in a map. People started to join in and it started to freeze again :( 
Makes no difference if I put the details to max. or min.

The Panzers demo (offline) isn't working anymore though...





<font color=red>Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most</font color=red>
July 20, 2004 3:12:19 PM

Quote:
Using your Network settings lower your Bandwidth to 10BaseT from 100 throughput from full auto negotiate.


That won't do ANYTHING. Did you not hear him saying he's having this problem even when he's NOT playing online?

Sheesh.

I tried setting my NIC from auto-negotiate to 10Mbps/half duplex because that's exactly the specs of my DSL modem... and I would get a bunch of entries in the event log about auto-negotiation. When I did this, I could no longer connect to the internet... so I'm FORCED to use auto-negotiation... whether it's faster or not. (And somehow I doubt it is... once the network connection is established, the NIC doesn't have to constantly re-negotiate the connection).


<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
July 20, 2004 3:29:18 PM

Anyway, I connect through a USB DSL modem and have to use the connection software of my provider and the option in question is not available. Thus I can't apply this...

I'll ask my neighbour if I can borrow his soundcard to see if that fixes the problem.



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July 20, 2004 3:35:56 PM

Just thought I'd give you my 2 cents, fwiw

I doubt cpu speed or power supply or even BIOS has anything to do with it, problems with those could cause instability, or lock ups, but if I read your post correctly, the machine hangs" for a few seconds and then resumes, right ? An overclock or underrated PSU will never do that.

Could be many things though :( , I would first concentrate on trying to isolate the problem as much as possible. For instance, does it only occur during games, or just with demanding applications in general ? Try running prime95 for instance, or Sandra or whatever, see if it freezes too. If it doesnt, you could try eliminating further, for instance disable onboard sound, try playing with no sound for a while, and see what happens. Try removing (or disabling) the network card, even though SOD's comments where way off at times, network cards can cause all sorts of trouble.. If the problem remains even with no sound, no NIC, no modem, etc, on a freshly installed system. well, I'll be damned then...

Another thing to do: check eventlog for anomalies. Right click "my computer", select "manage", and look for the event logs, especiallly system log. It could expose problems device manager ignores.

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July 20, 2004 7:19:02 PM

Try the soundcard, or goto asus website and download their onboard sound drivers, its under drivers with your motherboard specification. The 4in1 may or may not have updated the sound drivers. Worth a try though.

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Asus P4C800E-D
GeForceFX 5900 Ultra 256MB
2x512 MB corsair dual channel pc3200
200GB WDJB HDD
Nothing OC'd
July 20, 2004 9:25:48 PM

I have always felt Onboard Sound (Integrated) is lousy for a gaming system. It can rob the CPU of too much power. IMO, A good PCI sound card is better for a gaming rig. I wonder if you disabled the integrated sound altogether if the lag would still be there. Did you update the Sound drivers, or just 4-in-1?

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July 20, 2004 9:29:03 PM

Dang, I guess I should have read all the posts before responding. :) 


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 1GB Corsair XMS 4000 Pro Series, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
July 21, 2004 7:20:18 AM

I just downloaded prime95 and made it run using about half a gig of memory. CPU is up to 100%, but there is no visible effect; no slowing down, no freezing. Everything is just fine. As it is "just" running some tests now, I'll wait until the math set in...





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July 21, 2004 6:21:09 PM

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I am and have been an Engineer for the last 20 years in High tech.

which is the saddest part. that statement doesnt prove your definition of the problem to be true. perhaps you could be right about the solution, because you have personal experience with that particular motherboard (and it would be great if your right, and ill personally leave you alone for a month or two if you are) but your explanation of whats actually happening internally is just wrong. its like saying his car wont start because it has a flat tire




we have tried to help too, its just to solve this issue we need more information. to me it seems like one of those issues that someone needs to sit down and mess wiht for a few hours, theres so many things that we cant find out through corresponding here

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July 22, 2004 9:27:32 AM

I installed the benchmark Aquamark3 and when I run the first test, it runs fine until frame 500 or so and then the framerate goes down to 1 or less, freezing sets in and I get severe graphical errors (like the floor of the map isn't shown anymore).

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When running the Burn-In wizzard of Sandra, I get the freezing while it runs the CPU Arithmetic Benchmark and the CPU Multi Media Benchmark...

Edit:This isn't true anymore. Ran the test again and everything was fine O_o **(?)

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I hope this is somewhat useful.

Edit: If I disable the sound device the games refuse to start, so that I can't test. Or perhaps I disabled the wrong driver... if u have any suggestions...


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July 22, 2004 2:24:42 PM

User of another board now confirmed SoDNighthawks idea of buying a new mobo...would the A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 be the board of choice??



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July 23, 2004 3:07:08 AM

thats a good motherboard

if your intent on buying another motherboard (which would probably be cheaper than taking your computer to a repair technition to let them find out whats causing the issue. that could cost you 200 bucks if it takes them a day or two)another good one is the NF7-S, or AN7 (practically identical) which are both top of the line boards. has more features than the A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 and is only a few bucks more

i wonder what the actual cause of the problem is tho.. it could be something with the AGP bus if the games graphics are freezing but the sound keeps going as if the game is going on as normal in the background. but even 700$ graphics cards dont make use of the full AGP bus bandwidth yet



have you tried disabling fastwrites? have you tried all the settings that SoDNightHawk suddgested? because it definately could fix it.

perhaps its just a hardware conflict?

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July 23, 2004 3:57:50 AM

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Re: i wonder... [re: phial]

I installed the benchmark Aquamark3 and when I run the first test, it runs fine until frame 500 or so and then the framerate goes down to 1 or less, freezing sets in and I get severe graphical errors (like the floor of the map isn't shown anymore).

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When running the Burn-In wizzard of Sandra, I get the freezing while it runs the CPU Arithmetic Benchmark and the CPU Multi Media Benchmark...

Edit:This isn't true anymore. Ran the test again and everything was fine O_o **(?)

ok dude theres definately something seriously wrong.


i did a search on the Via forums about your board, and alot of <A HREF="http://forums.viaarena.com/searchresults.cfm?requesttim..." target="_new">search results come up</A> about people having video card related issues.

i had a KT333 motherboard in the past, like yours, and a few nvidia cards. ok here:



<A HREF="http://downloads.viaarena.com/drivers/4in1/VIAHyperion4..." target="_new">Via 4in1 version 4.45</A>. Old version yes, but newer 4in1's are tweaked for newer motherboards. ive used these and they are good

<A HREF="http://downloads.guru3d.com/downloadget.php?id=656&file..." target="_new"> Nvidia Detonator 45.23 </A>. Again , yes these are rather old, but your playing older games, and i know these drivers are pretty damn good.

<A HREF="http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=603" target="_new">Detonator RIP.</A>. youll need this also.


some things to try:

1.Go into your bios, disable "Fast Writes" and set the AGP bus to "4x". Turn off "SBA", which stands for Side-Band-Addressing. Trust me it wont affect your performance. Also if you see any other options relating to AGP, write them down and tell me because i dont know what your bios has.

2.Boot up your computer in safe mode. To get in safe mode, tap F8 as your computer is going thru the POST screen. Once your in Windows, go into the Control Panel> Add/Remove Programs and remove anything that says NVIDIA and VIA, and anything related to your sound card. If it asks you to reboot, say no.

3.Once you are done that, run Detonator RIP to remove any files that werent deleted when you uninstalled the drivers. Then reboot.

4.Once it comes up in windows, it may detect your video card and motherboard chipset because the drivers are removed. Just cancel any of those, dont let them go thru or else Windows may install its own crappy built-in drivers, or the ones you previously had.

5.First install the VIA 4in1's selecting all the options if it asks you. If it asks you to reboot, say yes.

5.When you get back up in windows, if it detect your video card "unknown hardware or somethig" cancel it again. Then install the video drivers that I linked you to.

6.Also if you want, reinstall Directx9. you can get it from <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com" target="_new">Microsoft</A>.

7.IF your really feeling frisky, format your hard drive completly, and do steps 1, 4, 5, 6 and 7.



[edit]: LOL skip 7 obviously

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July 23, 2004 9:56:20 AM

OK did steps 1-5. The detonator rip wouldn't start... "The application failed to initialize properly (0x0000135)".

I tried most of what SoDNighthawk suggested. Didn't try to lower bandwidth of my NIC as I can't access this option in the software of my ISP (USB DSL modem).

So here is what my BIOS says:

Advanced settings:
Graphics Aperture size - 128MB
AGP Capability - 8x (I can't change this option)
AGP Performance control - disabled
AGP Fast Write control - disabled
Video Memory Cache mode - USWC
PCI Delayed Transaction - disabled
Onboard PCI IDE - both
DRam Burst Lenght 8QW - disabled
S2K Bus Driving Strenght - auto

I/O Device Configuration:
Onboard AC'97 Audio Controller - auto
Onboard Midi I/O - disabled

PCI Configuration:
PCI Latency Timer 32
PCI/VGA Palette Snoop - disabled
Primary VGA BIOS - AGP VGA Card

Apparntly the VIA 4in1 which you suggested hasn't got the audio drivers in it. I'm going to download these from ASUS for my board.

I'll post in a few minutes with the results...



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July 23, 2004 10:57:07 AM

HA!!!
Seems to be working fine now...some minor lags but I suppose they are due to some connection issue. So the older drivers did it? If someone could explain THIS to me.

Played Söldner:Secret Wars demo without any freezing for 15-20 minutes: THAT IS A RECORD FOLKS!!! :wink:
Thanks to all of you and especially phial and SoDNighthawk

The next frags will be dedicated to you guys :smile:

I'll run the aquamark3 benchmark again to see what result this will yield...


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July 23, 2004 12:48:25 PM

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If someone could explain THIS to me.

VIA are a bunch of muppets whose generally awful chipsets are matched only by their terrible driver quality, particularly (as Phial mentioned) when it comes to support for their older chipsets in the newer drivers.

I wasted half a day trying out different 4-in-1 driver revisions on a PC I have here at work until I found some that were 'Acceptable'. This is the sort of thing <i>their</i> Quality Control/Test department should be doing, not ME.

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July 23, 2004 1:05:34 PM

Congrats ;) 

the reason? VIA... as always

if the problem re-appears you might want to try disabling onboard devices and install them as regular pci devices instead (like; use a pci NIC and a pci soundcard)

viel glück!


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July 23, 2004 4:24:36 PM

thats awesome! :D 


the reason why the VIa4in1's worked is because back then, the KT333 was thier top of the line chipset. so they tweaked their drivers for it. i dont kow why they coudlnt just take the code from the older 4in1's and just included it separately in the newer ones, but thats VIA for you




id also like to note that this thread proves how much FUD SodNightHawk spews

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July 23, 2004 4:28:02 PM

How was SoD's post helpful? I know he suggested a new motherboard, but that's mostly because he thought your board might be defective... which clearly it wasn't.

If you read VIA's driver page, you can see that they suggest downloading older chipset drivers for their older chipsets. The newest 4-in-1's are optimized for their newer chipstets, and may not help older chipsets. Also, audio drivers are never included in the 4-in-1's... they must be downloaded separately.

Glad you found a solution. Now we can see that most of SoD's post truly was BS. :tongue:

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July 24, 2004 3:03:14 PM

I wanted to thank him for his long posts and essentially for the UDMA66 thingy, which improved the burning/ripping speed and thus made my dad happy (and this is a surprise to me, because everytime I touch something in "his" PC some other program of his pops up an auto update or error message or some problem or unusual behaviour which he can't cope with... :eek:  and I get the blame).
But it is equally true that I would probably have spent another 100 bucks for a new mobo...



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