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July 17, 2004 10:15:46 PM

my review of the prescott 3.0e. i just upgraded from a P4 2.8B northwood which didn't have hyperthreading enabled. I am using the same mobo,and video card. My ram is new DDR400(PC3200) from DDR333(PC2700). All i can say is wow, Aquamark3 went from 40.700fps to 42.801fps!! PCmark04 went from 3,900 to 4,660! Great processor, despite everyone says. btw, my temps are nice and toasty 47c idle and 63c full load with stock intel cooler.

Prescott 3.0E
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel
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ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
42,801 Aquamarks

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July 17, 2004 10:53:06 PM

the increase in speed is probably from the 200FSB at a 1:1 ratio with your ram, and the 200mhz+HT increase with the processor itself, not from the fact that its a Prescott..


not that I wanna bash your new CPU, it definately seems to be working good for you

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July 18, 2004 12:03:14 AM

Now imagine how happy you would have been if you'd gotten a 3.0C!

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July 18, 2004 1:41:28 AM

very true, i would probably. but i'm happier with the prescott. the gaming performance seems really smoother ,and 1mb L2 really is cool. even if it's more latency than the northwood 512kb L2.

Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
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July 18, 2004 7:12:37 AM

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very true, i would probably. but i'm happier with the prescott. the gaming performance seems really smoother ,and 1mb L2 really is cool. even if it's more latency than the northwood 512kb L2.


yea all dem bigger numbers makes that hollow feeling in your chest not feel as bad after realizing how much spent eh :) 

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July 18, 2004 7:15:59 AM

More bungholio points! WOOT!

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July 18, 2004 4:57:40 PM

Nice system and when you get the cash, keep an eye out for some BH-5 or other memory that can run at the tightest timing for best performance at stock speed.

Your sandra buffered tests will go from 4.7k to 5k

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July 18, 2004 5:06:26 PM

No Intel based thread can be posted without you taking a dump on it?

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July 18, 2004 6:33:08 PM

He owned a Duron... he lives in his own little world.

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July 18, 2004 7:23:46 PM

Hey thx Fugger, lol

this is truly a good processor. I am enjoying it.

Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
56,064 Aquamarks
July 18, 2004 7:50:33 PM

Have you tried to OC it?
July 18, 2004 7:52:51 PM

not going to get far with a stock cooler

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July 18, 2004 10:59:29 PM

Wow, up to 56K in aquamark. Got a link? How about one for the pcmark as well?
July 20, 2004 2:02:04 PM

How much did that vid card cost?
July 20, 2004 2:10:25 PM

burned
July 20, 2004 3:22:57 PM

The comeback of Kavanit! Haaa... The threads with lots of flaming!!! :smile:

Good for you the upgrade, but I would have not upgraded the CPU, from 2.8 to 3.0 even with HT, is not enough to justify the cost. Most of your boost comes from your GPU.

Have you benched your 2.8 vs your 3.0E with the same 6800GT?

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July 20, 2004 4:03:19 PM

my review of the Celeron 333. i just upgraded from a Celeron 300.I am using the same mobo,and video card (S3 Virge). My ram is new 100 Mhz from 66 MHz. All i can say is <b>wow</b>, Aquamark3 went from 0.235 fps to 0.237 fps!! PCmark04 went from 390 to 410! Great processor, despite everyone says. Celeron rocks! Not bad for the $200 I paid for it on ebay, don't you think ? btw, my temps are nice and toasty 47c idle and 63c full load with stock intel cooler.

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July 20, 2004 5:07:02 PM

yes I do :lol: 

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July 20, 2004 5:20:26 PM

HE HE HE!!! You are so funny!

You have not mention that you ran your benchmarks at a 160x120 resolution with 8bit color depth! :smile:

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July 20, 2004 7:32:03 PM

IMO its far from being a bad CPU, he just could have invested his money in a smarter way but heck if your happy with it then its all good!

I Must say I love my oced P4c at 40c full load, that P4e reamins one hot CPU!

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July 21, 2004 8:45:15 AM

The PNY card got you 15 more frames for about $400. The P4e got you 2 more frames for $200. Which was the smarter move?
Not that it really matters, you have a great system there, and if you can afford that kind of cash, a little extra on your air cond, is no big. Now go play.
July 21, 2004 3:41:32 PM

costed me $399. My 2.8B had no hyperthreading, so it was slower than the 3.0e in Aquamark3. I did not bench the 2.8B with a 6800 GT , sorry guys.

new updated score:58,178
http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=209222993...
lowered timings 3-3-3-7 from 3-4-4-8. And enabled PAT.

Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
57,397 Aquamarks
July 21, 2004 6:03:18 PM

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I did not bench the 2.8B with a 6800 GT , sorry guys.

You have to be sorry, because if you would have benched it before getting your P4C 3.0gHz, you might have noticed that the move from P4B 2.8 to P4C 3.0 was not necessarly worth it!

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July 22, 2004 1:25:52 AM

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You have to be sorry, because if you would have benched it before getting your P4C 3.0gHz, you might have noticed that the move from P4B 2.8 to P4C 3.0 was not necessarly worth it!

I think everyone here missed the point he purchased something new and wants to share his new toy. Regardless of what you guys think it's his money he earned it. Even if he bought a EE I would still be happy for him like the rest of you should.

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July 22, 2004 1:38:16 AM

LOL, yes, but you downgraded going from the C300a to a C333. The 300a's usually ran 100-103 bus (450-464MHz) easy, while the 333's couldn't usually hit a 100 bus and who wanted to run an 83 Mhz bus. If of course you had a no cache Celeron, then congrats on the speed boost. Love those benchie scores.



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July 22, 2004 2:24:18 AM

Was at CompUsa. A guy was buying a system. He had the PNY 6800GT. I asked the guy who worked for CompUsa how much for that vid card? He says $299. I tell the guy who is buying it that's a great price. Plus last one they had. I told the guy he could sell it at Ebay for $100 to $200 more than he paided. He was suprised.
July 22, 2004 2:45:49 AM

Re: I think everyone here missed the point he purchased something new and wants to share his new toy. Regardless of what you guys think it's his money he earned it. Even if he bought a EE I would still be happy for him like the rest of you should.

You know spud I feel somwhat sorry for kanavit and he deserves some sympathay. I read the post earlier p4b @2.8 giz to p4e @ 3.0 giz and it's hard not to laugh yet I refrained from posting. I mean really!! When posting in these boards to brag you should at least have some kind of clue. Look at it this way how many posters have you congratulated that upgraded their system from xp2800 to xp3000 I'll bet not too many. Which brings up another point do you really believe you would have made your last post congratulating kanavit and how happy you are for him if he had in fact spent all that money upgrading an xp2800 to an xp3000 with pc3200 instead of pc2700?

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July 22, 2004 3:39:36 AM

sorry, guys i was so happy with my purchase , i had to share it. my 2.8b was good, but this new prescott is unbelievable. Hyperthreading gave me huge boost. Plus, i have 1mb cache , and SSE3. Money well spent.

And judging from recent Doom3 official benchmarks , my GT beats the x800 series easily. Can't wait for that game to be released.

Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
57,397 Aquamarks
July 22, 2004 6:34:42 AM

I'm happy for you. I do hope the P4e works out. As far as the graphics card goes, that is what I am a little jealous of. Looks impresive from here. Enjoy your new toys.
July 22, 2004 12:35:16 PM

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I think everyone here missed the point he purchased something new and wants to share his new toy. Regardless of what you guys think it's his money he earned it. Even if he bought a EE I would still be happy for him like the rest of you should.

1. I'm happy for his GeForce 6800GT move, it's a good one.
2. I really think that the CPU was not worth the money. Would you recommend someone this kind of CPU upgrade? Me, never! Going from 2.8B to 3.0E is a (too) small step for a CPU upgrade.
3. If he would have bought a P4EE, I would have been happy for him!

Have you analysed what he said... He haven't compared 2.8B vs 3.0E influence on benchmarks numbers, because he problably knows that he would be very disapointed to noticed that most of his improvements comes from is GPU alone.

I'm usually happy for people who are doing INTELLIGENT upgrade. Kavanit is so Intel biased, he should post an advertisement notice at the beginning of each post he writes. :smile:

We must be coherent! And I think I am. When I don't agree with something, I have GOOD reasons and when I disagree I have GOOD reasons too. It's part of our "job" to teach people when they have made good or bad move.

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July 22, 2004 12:43:36 PM

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i had to share it. my 2.8b was good, but this new prescott is unbelievable. Hyperthreading gave me huge boost.

Good for you if you like your move! But I really think you should not use the word unbelievable to describe your new CPU. If a small step like this is unbelievable for you, how would you describe an upgrade from P4B2.4GHz to P4EE 3.4GHz? A miracle!!!

And how did you measure your hyper-threading boost? Your system performance perception have problably change mostly because your GPU is faster and, in Windows th gain of CACHE + 200MHz + HT gives you the "boost", not only HT.

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July 22, 2004 12:57:17 PM

good good but stop talking about that 1 meg of L2 cache please half of it is "lost" to make up for the longer pipeline of the prescott.

Now 2 meg of L2 on a mid/short pipelined cpu (Dothan) now thats more impressive numbers

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July 22, 2004 2:28:12 PM

I weighed all the factors, and i figured i would get more bang for the buck basically with a 3.0e $215, than a 3.2ee $925. I don't compile a lot of data, or need 2mb L3 cache for games the gains are neglible. remember, i gained 3 main things from my 2.8b upgrade to 3.0e prescott. I used the extra money saved to get the 6800 gt.

1. 800fsb from 533fsb
2. HyperThreading
3. 1mb cache from 512k.

I'd say a good upgrade path.

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Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
57,397 Aquamarks <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Kanavit on 07/22/04 10:29 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 22, 2004 2:42:16 PM

The main thing is. As long as your happy with it. Which you seem to be. Untill your next upgrade. Enjoy it.
July 22, 2004 2:44:20 PM

thx HardwareBoss :smile:

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Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
58,178 Aquamarks
July 22, 2004 2:55:19 PM

Ok, a last question/comment! Why haven't you O/C your P4B to 3GHz+? You would saved money and probably match or beat your actual performance, by the way, will you try to O/C this Prescott a bit?

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July 23, 2004 11:14:39 AM

thats the problem, i don't o/c. i just buy it. o/cing is cheating, and that aint my style.

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Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
58,178 Aquamarks
July 23, 2004 1:09:24 PM

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o/cing is cheating, and that aint my style.

O/C is not cheating! Wow! the first time I ever heard this!

Overclocking is trying to get the most out of the hardware. In fact, overclocking is very good way to learn the PC architecture, since you have to consider many factor like FSB speed, memory timing, power requirement, sync/async timing, etc...

So, now I understand why you are so Intel biased... In fact, you probably don't know much about how a PC really work. Because if you would know it, you would probably have never got a P4E 3.0GHz to replace a P4B 2.8GHz unless you planned to overclock it a bit.

Most of your arguments comes from SPECS sheet and numbers! marketing won you. I will analyse your signature :

<b>Prescott</b> 3.0E <b>1MB</b> L2 <b>HT</b>
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel<b>(PAT)</b>
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB <b>DDR3</b>
58,178 Aquamarks

Prescott - The worst Intel core ever put on the market, it's not a BAD core, but it do not gives anything more to customers.
1MB L2 and HT - All Prescott have 1MB, you don't need to talk about it
PAT - Most P4 MB support PAT, so why bothering writing it
DDR3 - Same thing, all new HIGH-END GPU comes with DDR3

You see, all the stuff you put in your signature are marketing buzzword that don't mean much. ou forgot to mention SSE3 support! :smile:

You know, if you are happy with your move to Prescott, it's good for you. But I can't say that it ws a wise move. I personnaly have an Athlon XP 1800 o/c to 2400+. It would not be a wise move for me to replace it by an Athlon XP 2500+ without O/Cing it, just because it has more CACHE. The gain in performance would not justify the cost.

So keep reading here and please be more OPEN, read more about CPU an you will start to understand that AMD, Intel and even MAC (G5 are very solid performer) have their place on the market. And the more you will learn, the less mistake you will make in your argumentation. I don't think I'm a Tech-Guru, but I assume my mistake and I'm not afraid to ask questions even if they seems stupid at first sight. We learn by asking and answering questions.

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July 23, 2004 3:16:02 PM

Amen!
Kanavit I got the perfect CPU for you! Unrealeased yet tough

CodeName:Madison 9M socket:mPGA700 Process130nm L2:1MB L3:9MB Speed:1.7GHz bus:667MHz

Lookat all the cache! Maybe its not clocked high enough for you tough...Ill keep lookin!

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July 23, 2004 3:27:23 PM

yeah, i would love to have an Itanium2 system. think of the fpu power for gaming on those chips.

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Prescott 3.0E 1MB L2 HT
1GB PC 3200 Dual channel(PAT)
Asus P4P800 Bios 1016
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
58,178 Aquamarks
July 23, 2004 6:01:03 PM

Overclocking is cheating? Whom is being cheated? :lol: 


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July 23, 2004 8:18:47 PM

I would say overclocking is winning. More proformance for less money. But I guess that's just my opinion.

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July 23, 2004 8:37:36 PM

cheating my foot. i don't oc because i don't fully understand it. lemme guess, using macros and shortcuts is cheating too because it doesn't let you see the "beauty" of a windows environment. i miss the DOS days =(
July 23, 2004 9:02:21 PM

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i miss the DOS days =(

ROFL
why?
I don't miss having to type tons of [-peep-] out.


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July 23, 2004 9:23:01 PM

yeha id like to see the great itanium2 perform well at all in gaming...
July 24, 2004 1:18:48 AM

What did you do with your old chip, and video card?
July 24, 2004 2:02:01 AM

"So keep reading here and please be more OPEN" ROFL!!

You should take your own advice and apply it to the Prescott. Maybe you need to accept the fact that the Prescott is the exact opposite of what you currently imagine it to be.

Lets say you have 40 million parts on the shelf that cost retailers and distributors hundreds of dollars per part. Now if you released a part that was a faster part for less money it could and would ruin everyone that had the old part on the shelf.

Perception that the old part is just as good as the new part was in the design to prevent the premature deflation of socket 478 parts. They are still good parts.

I said this months ago, its simple economics. Moving on...

Stepping into LGA775 makes even more sense as the electrical and thermal charecteristics are designed/improved to breach 4Ghz.

Intel chipsets are the best, ICHR5 raid will work on ICHR6

Most people overclock about under 10% on air, hence the soft OC locks on current reference 915/925 boards. This lock does not prevent overclocking and board manufacturers are building boards without locks in place or setting limits higher.

I see you as a candidate for a new Prescott for some reason now, if you need suggestions for LGA755 dont hesitate to ask.

If the video card is good enough I can understand running on air at stock speeds is normal. Most people run at stock, nothing to rag someone about.



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