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dhlucke   07-18-2004 at 08:57:06 AM

With DooomIII and HalfLife2 coming out it's time to at least think about upgrading.

I'm a bit unclear as to what is the best option though. Socket 939 is going to have a short life span and 754 is going low end? How long until something viable? What about the Newcastle vs Clamhammer? Why is the FX line even on the market?

Is Winchester the next core to replace newcastle? What replaces clawhammer? What socket will these be? Will it debut at 4000+? October 2004?



<i><font color=blue>Edited by Scamtron on 10/11/01 09:58 PM

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Snorkius   07-18-2004 at 10:37:21 AM
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1)939 is viable
2)Fx is there for AMD to make 'teh big bucks'

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endyen   07-18-2004 at 11:13:15 AM
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FX is there because it comes with unlocked multipliers.

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Spitfire_x86   07-18-2004 at 11:26:18 AM
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The most cost effective and most future proof CPU + mobo solution is Athlon64 3400+ (2.4 GHz, 512k L2 cache, Socket 754) with a good nForce3 250Gb mobo (like MSI K8N Neo Platinum)

The best price/performance A64 would be 2800/3000.

FX line is for people who have too much money to waste and are running out of ideas to waste their money.

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pitsi   07-18-2004 at 01:59:43 PM
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In my opinion "upgradability" is over-rated. If you really think about it, until your next upgrade there will be so many changes, that you will need to upgrade your whole system, not just your CPU. SocketA stayed around for quite long but I don't think that something like this will happen again! Comparing price/performance I see S754 being a very good choice right now. Do I really care if the fastes S754 CPU coming out is the 3700+? No, because when I upgrade in 18 months from today, dual-core, DDR2 and only God knows what will be out by then!

Btw, the FX line is on the market for the same reason P4 Extreme Edition is on the market. And S939 will stay around for quite long, I don't know why you have the impression that it has a short life span.

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Ned_Flanders   07-18-2004 at 07:03:58 PM
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1 point to this guy.

Correct!

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FUGGER   07-18-2004 at 07:16:35 PM
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If you are upgrading for gaming you should go with the LGA775 platform with HDA.

HDA improves gaming to a whole new level. Id rather play on the slowest Celeron w/HDA than the fastest A64 without.

Take the time to figure out what HDA is instead of wasting time trying to figure out what codename goes with what processor.

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Snorkius   07-18-2004 at 10:02:42 PM
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Silly, Fugger. Dh does not need a doctor.


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endyen   07-18-2004 at 10:58:44 PM
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Fugger and hardware boss are right, why buy performance when you can have Intel instead?
All of the Intel fanboys have come back.As dumb as ever.

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Xeon   07-18-2004 at 11:31:16 PM
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Thats odd I dont remeber Intel guys saying much when people were still stupid enough to buy a AXP over a P4C.

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endyen   07-18-2004 at 11:43:59 PM
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Memory problem?

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Xeon   07-18-2004 at 11:45:03 PM
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Probably.

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endyen   07-18-2004 at 11:45:05 PM
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Memory problem? Oh well, if you want to spend your money on a third rate chip. be my guest.

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Xeon   07-18-2004 at 11:47:16 PM
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Actually I intend to buy a dual core in October does that count as a waste of money on 2 second rate chips.

If my math is right 2 second rates chips should equal a not so second rate chip.

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Snorkius   07-18-2004 at 11:54:00 PM
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Quote :

Thats odd I dont remeber Intel guys saying much when people were still stupid enough to buy a AXP over a P4C.


You were banned back then... :wink:

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endyen   07-19-2004 at 12:03:36 AM
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Hope it's a dual core P-hot. It will save you a ton on your heating bill. Always being throttled may be a nusance though.

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Xeon   07-19-2004 at 12:18:19 AM
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Hmm I think you are right.

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Xeon   07-19-2004 at 12:20:27 AM
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I have a water cooling kit that deals with 300+ watts what the hell am I worried about?

Xeon

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dhlucke   07-19-2004 at 04:27:01 AM
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Thanks for pointing out HDA since I missed the review at xbitlabs, but although that is really great the overall game performance of the P4 platform is still a bit behind.

I would think that HDA would be implemented onto sound cards anyways.

I think for the time being the amd 64 is the way to go.

<i><font color=blue>Edited by Scamtron on 10/11/01 09:58 PM

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FUGGER   07-19-2004 at 06:52:51 AM
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As soon as more people figure it out you will more people raving about it. I have THX speakers it brings new life to my aging logitech z560's

I used a add on sound card for a long time because I didnt like the previous onboard audio.

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Johanthegnarler   07-19-2004 at 08:03:56 AM
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Almost forgot about sound... it still sucks. Soon we can have an all in one intergrated CPU. The whole PC will be an Intel CPU with an icebox on it. Rockin. I hope the boys in microsoft will get on the all in one PC market soon.

Maybe if we get even luckier.. Bush will die in a car accident and Kerry will hold is breath till he dies.



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Spitfire_x86   07-19-2004 at 09:44:08 AM
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Cyrix made an all-in-one processor long ago (Cyrix Media GX)

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endyen   07-19-2004 at 09:57:52 AM
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P-hot is better.

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