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which cpu, amd 64 or P4?

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July 29, 2004 11:22:07 PM

I was wondering if someone could help me in picking out a new CPU. I did read the CPU guide but was wondering if things are different now that AMD dropped prices (and Intel will soon follow). I can't decide between an Athlon 64 3000+ or a P4 3.0Ghz. Also is it worth the extra money to get the A64 3200+ with the increased cache size. I'm not really any kind of gamer but I do video editing and decoding. I'm not a big hurry either, just want the "most bang for the buck". Thanks

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July 29, 2004 11:49:13 PM

I was actually facing the same dilemma myself and it came down to the fact that athlon 64 are AMD's next generation chip and the P4s, at least in the socket they are in now, are going to most likely be phased out in favor of Intel's next generation chips. That in mind, getting an AMD 64 would most likely be better in the long run because it won't be out-dated as fast and upgrading in the future will be easy because you won't have to start completely from scratch (new mobo). Just my take on it, I'm probably wrong though.
July 30, 2004 3:16:46 AM

the P4 is supposed to be better for audio/video encoding, but the Athlon 64 does appear to be more future-proof. I would go AMD, but I am an AMD fanboy, so I am biased :) 
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July 30, 2004 3:20:32 AM

Both are poor choices at this point.

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July 30, 2004 3:22:41 AM

what would you recomend instead?
July 30, 2004 6:27:33 AM

You'll probably be happy with either, both have their pro's and con's, for instance P4 is pretty damn good at DivX, A64 shines on XviD. Both are roughly equal on Quicktime and Aftereffects. P4 has hyperthreading going for it (nice for long rendering jobs in the background), A64 has its 64 abilities and unleashed performance going for it if you plan to hang on to your machine long enough to witness the 64 bit Windows launch.

I'd probably get a P4 if the expected lifetime of the machine is not much more than ~1.5 years before a major upgrade. IF you intend to hang on to it longer, I'd opt for the A64, but again, I don't think either one will really disapoint you.

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July 31, 2004 7:19:54 AM

my take on it.
Windows will be releasing 64 bit windows.
Once released companies will start the big switch
to 64 bit windows and support will grow less
and less for 32 bit windows. Thus the support
for your p4 will diminish and diminish further.
The support for your Athlon 64 looks good for the next 5 years,
or longer. hell 64 bit Win won't even be released till at least next
spring and a 4 year life span is average for a windows OS.
I think your best bet is to get an expensive MOBO thats tricked out
to max current specs for the Athlon64 and Memory Mhz; get a cheap sempron or 2800+;
and in so doing leave yourself plenty of headroom for Proc upgrades on the 64 line.
Otherwise you're tossing the P4 setup completely when you upgrade to
the Win64 OS. I hope that helps you determine your best
bang for the buck. Quick thought. Make sure the MOBO has at least 3Gb max
memory and look for 4Gb max Memory. It'll pay off in the long run.

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August 1, 2004 12:41:26 AM

I would go Intel, I don't trust AMD.


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August 1, 2004 2:39:00 AM

yes, go Intel. can't lose with Intel. they don't lose.

P4 3.0E , get that since intel discontinued 130nm northwoods. the prescott is hot, but it's worth it. 1mb L2 cache, advanced hyperhtreading, and SSE3 support. best cpu purchase i made since the Pentium Pro.

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August 1, 2004 3:50:48 AM

P4 3.0E , get that since intel discontinued 130nm northwoods. the prescott is hot, but it's worth it.

Discontinued looks like 90 is so bad 130 might be the <A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040731144157..." target="_new"> future </A>

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by darko21 on 08/01/04 00:37 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 1, 2004 4:10:23 AM

now come on, thats an unfair shot, there is no reason to trust amd or intel over the other. lets try to help people here, lets not try to force our prefrences on others and be open minded to other possibilities.
August 1, 2004 6:27:26 AM

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I would go Intel, I don't trust AMD.
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well thats just the most retarded thing i think i have ever had to hear.
What exactly do you trust i wonder. good luck with your trust issues.
I recommend a Centrum A-Z.

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yes, go Intel. can't lose with Intel. they don't lose.
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They are losing. Not a big sports fan eh fanboy? hardware's hardware and right now AMD's Hardware is better.
If intel's were the better buy i would gladly say so.

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P4 3.0E , get that since intel discontinued 130nm northwoods. the prescott is hot, but it's worth it.
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worth it as in... You're most likely to win the "Your hardware that was brand spanking new and really
expensive, but has now become obsolete the fastest" award. Definitely worth it if you are trying to
win that contest. Hands down.

If someone offered me a pair of shoes at k-mart that would still be compatible with the next generation
of sidewalks for the next 5 years or a pair of shoes from Macy's that would melt and leave me hanging
in 2 years I am certain i'ld go with the Kmart brand. Go pick up a toothpick.

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August 1, 2004 6:34:11 AM

now come on, thats an unfair shot, there is no reason to trust amd or intel over the other. lets try to help people here, lets not try to force our prefrences on others and be open minded to other possibilities.
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really.
If you don't praise the enemy when he's winning, you will never truly appreciate
WHY & HOW he's winning. The point is, praise AMD for thier brilliance even if
you don't like them. Otherwise your just blinded by the light and unless you're a black
guy sitting at a piano with sunglasses on not many folks are gonna
listen to the notes you're making. :p 
Fanboys were never cut out to be true techies IMHO. Good day.

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August 1, 2004 7:05:50 AM

huh, you directing something towards me or them? if its me , i dont quite understand what you think i was saying. all i was trying to say is taht the numbers are in amd's favor in alot of areas right nwo and they should admit that, no matter if they dispise amd or not, they cant let such things force them into giving biased or bad advice to ppl needing help.
August 1, 2004 2:13:57 PM

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P4 3.0E , get that since intel discontinued 130nm northwoods. the prescott is hot, but it's worth it.

Discontinued looks like 90 is so bad 130 might be the future

Darko21, that 130nm was for the P4 ee only in LGA 775. everything else will be 90nm.

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August 1, 2004 2:30:14 PM

I wonder what would happen if they simply made a 90nm Northwood? No change in design, except process?... Should be better than northwood, especially when coupled with 1066Mhz FSB.

As for recommending a CPU, I agree in particular with P4Man. Each platform has its strengths and weaknesses, and you can't really go terribly wrong. A64 is more future-proof than the current Intel alternatives, but Intel CPUs do extremely well in some video encoding and rendering tasks, for instance. Gaming is generally better with A64 right now, and 64-bit might give it a performance increase somewhere later. Much later, apparently.

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August 1, 2004 4:59:44 PM

I would wait 30 - 45 days and see what shakes out. Prices HAVE to come down for Intel and AMD's are already falling. If you jump now you may miss a good deal on a better platform. JMHO

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August 1, 2004 9:52:55 PM

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I wonder what would happen if they simply made a 90nm Northwood? No change in design, except process?... Should be better than northwood, especially when coupled with 1066Mhz FSB.

Good point, i think the die size would be super small. I'm not sure how much better clockspeeds will ramp, 90nm process on northwoods would probably suffer the same thermal leakage as the prescott cores. which means extraordinary temps. 90nm was important because these allowed intel to produce larger prescott cores with Northwood yields on 300mm wafers. Hence, the prescotts cost the same as northwoods but come with 1mb of cache.

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August 2, 2004 12:28:59 AM

I dont think that northwoods would suffer as badly with leakage current. More than 50% more pipes means a lot more interconnects, which means a lot more dissimalar charges. Plactically speaking, a northwood on 90 nanos should see a fair reduction in heat. At least 10%. They would probably have been able to scale past 4 gigs by now. The 1066 fsb may have been a problem for the north bridge though. I wouldn't expect any ECS board to be able to hand that kind of overclock, no matter what the chipset.
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August 2, 2004 7:37:02 PM

totally agree with ya endyen.
Look at the Dothan Vs Banias, tell me 90nm process has a problem...

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