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July 31, 2004 10:32:07 PM

Say you don't have a lot of money. Maybe $1,200 max. Less is better.

Now, say you want to build a computer that will give you decent performence in current and future games (fps, mmrpg, etc.) for, say, a year or two. Probably closer to a year and half.

What would YOU buy?

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August 1, 2004 12:40:05 AM

CPU: Pentium 4 3.06E 1MB cache, 800mhz FSB, HT
Mobo: Intel "D875PBZLK FMB 1.5"
Memory: 512MB Dual channel Kingston/Corsair/Geil/Ocz
Video Card: ATI 9800 Pro
Hard Drive: Some western digital drive

You can go for the cheapest in the rest.


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August 1, 2004 12:48:10 AM

ANTEC Solution Series with 350W........69.99
MSI K8N Neo Platinum...................124.00
EXCALIBUR R9800PRO ICEQ................239.99
Fortron Aurora Series 350W.............43.00
AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache......305.00
Corsair Value PC-3200 Cas 2.5 (X2).....166.00
WD 200GB 7200RPM SATA..................126.00
NEC 8X DVD+/-RW Drive..................61.00

TOTAL PRICE............................1,134.98

This is just from NewEgg in like 15min. The case is just a personal choice for a solid case that i like. The power supply that comes with it is a 'smart power' and i dont know if thats the greatest but i dont think there would be any problems. but i recomend Fortron anyway. Pick a case you like and throw that in the case.
the money left over you can buy an extra fan or some round cables to give your case a clean look. There might be better prices all around the internet but this is all from NewEgg. If someone disagree's with me, which i'm sure some will. they will tell you what to get and why.
good luck
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August 1, 2004 1:16:39 AM

Oh, i forgot to add this....for 150bucks less you can get the 2800+ and then with the money saved get a Nvidia 6800GT for around $400. It would be about a 10% PCU drop but a BIG, HUGE, and MASSIVE jump in gaming.
With a 6800GT you should be able to play top end games in 2yrs with good frame rates and good res. settings.
but its all up to you in the end.
August 1, 2004 2:41:17 AM

I wouldn't get A64 yet. don't know if windows xp 64-bit will ever come out. you may never use the 64-bit. for futureproof, get intel. Hyperthreading has immediate impact, and universal software support.

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August 1, 2004 2:57:53 AM

Whoa, i know i am short bus special...but even as it is right this very second with no Win64, A64 is the best for gaming. I never said A64 was future proof, but its the best platform for gaming. You are right, Hyperthreading has immediate impact. But to insinuate that it has universal software support and A64's dont....thats criminal. Name ONE game or common software that A64 can't run.

If you have any links that show me the error of my ways and show that a P4 beats a A64 of comparable speed in games show me. Please i would love to know.

Also you rip AMD, and you reccomend Intel, but you dont say what PCU or Mobo to get insted.
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August 1, 2004 6:47:37 AM

3.06GHz and 800 bus? Wow, I think I've mentioned your math previously, you make no sense!

The 3.06 ran at "533" bus. All 800 bus 3GHz processors run at 3.000000000000000000000000000000000GHz. Plus or minus a couple MHz depending on the board's clock generator and so forth.

Work the math out, you'll know why this is. It has to do with multipliers :smile:

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August 1, 2004 7:17:13 AM

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wouldn't get A64 yet. don't know if windows xp 64-bit will ever come out. you may never use the 64-bit. for futureproof, get intel. Hyperthreading has immediate impact, and universal software support.



i heard of some games requiring HT to be turned OFF, because it isnt quite as compatible as you tend to think it is, and has caused decreases in performance

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August 1, 2004 2:10:28 PM

I am getting super duper awesome farcry performance with my P4 3.0E baby.

Here is my result @ 1024x768 32-bit, no AA/AF
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!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 52.76s, Average FPS: 70.62
Min FPS: 51.81 at frame 918, Max FPS: 108.67 at frame 1913
Average Tri/Sec: 10080257, Tri/Frame: 142743
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.00
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u say P4 is slow?? i think not. Plus I have a rock solid stable system because of Intel(r) chipset i865PE and P4 3.0E.

Here is what FArcry sees my cpu!!

--- CPU detection ---
Number of system processors: 2
Number of available processors: 2
Processor 0:
CPU: GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Family: 15, Model: 3, Stepping: 3
FPU: on-chip
CPU Speed (estimated): 3006.853503 MHz
MMX: present
SSE: present

thats why i love intel. they rock. If you get an A64 3000+ , your gain will be absolutely minimal for the same price of a prescott 3.0e $217. Plus, you may never use 64-bit aspect....................... Windows XP forever editon.

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August 1, 2004 5:43:28 PM

You realize that score has to do with the fact you have a GeForce 6800GT and not a P4, right? I'm sure an A64 2800+ paired with that card would get scores very similar... and with a lower clock speed and much lower thermal output.

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August 1, 2004 6:32:01 PM

no one ever said intel was slow in gaming, it just isnt the fastest either when comapred to similar amd models. its nto so hard to admit that. if a person wants the most performance in gaming, they choose ahtlon 64, that doesnt mean a p4 sucks, it has its pluses as wlel, including alot of performance edges in video and audio work. some apps do favor the athlon 64 in those areas as well, but for the most part its sitll dominated by a p4 with hyperthreading. but you have to admit the athlon 64 has its big pluses as well.

and please dont try to say its more stable, we all know thats not true, realize who your talking to, most of us here can see through a comment like that.
August 1, 2004 6:41:00 PM

Don't say anything balanced to kanavit, I estimate that it's extremely unlikely that he'll agree... :eek: 

Good luck with that.

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August 1, 2004 7:00:51 PM

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u say P4 is slow?? i think not. Plus I have a rock solid stable system because of Intel(r) chipset i865PE and P4 3.0E.

Here is what FArcry sees my cpu!!




did i say it was slow? i said its not as amazingly superior as you think it is.

besides, Farcry is very heavily video card dependant, thats what the game engine has been built around. your video card is whats gettin you that score. ITS A KNOWN FACT THAT PRESCOTTS ARE SLOWER PER CLOCK FOR GAMING COMPARED TO THE P4C

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August 1, 2004 7:55:50 PM

I wish I had his video card though... The 6800GT is impressive. :frown:

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August 2, 2004 4:29:56 AM

His biggest problem right now, is that his chip is almost the same price as an A64 3200+. The poor boy was born with the silver spoon shoved a little too far down his throat.
August 2, 2004 4:17:33 PM

the A64 3200+ is quite good cpu. cool n' quiet. but i don't overclock , and 2.0ghz is a full 1ghz behind the P4 3.0E!! the P4 3.0E should beat it in most video and audio applications, as well as 3d rendering. Plus aquamark3 loves the P4 and so does windows xp because of hyperthreading. Also, i love intel chipsets. I don't want to get an A64 3200+ and use VIA or Nforce3 250 they aren't as good.

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August 2, 2004 4:38:49 PM

well im still getting the a64 anyway so...

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August 2, 2004 4:58:39 PM

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I don't want to get an A64 3200+ and use VIA or Nforce3 250 they aren't as good.

......I think they did a pretty good job
August 2, 2004 5:34:09 PM

Nforce3 250 isn't good? OMFG, please PLEASE tell me in what way is the i875P superior? Oh wait in your case the I865PE. Keep your intel biase bullsh*t out of this forum. Oh oopdifuckingdoo in synthetic benchmarks you score more. The reason we buy A64 isn't for the 64bit support IT'S FOR THE INTEGRATED MEMORY CONTROLLER! WTF's with these f*cking brand loyalties.

I have nothing against Intel, in fact i used to a P4 2.6C system, before than Barton 2500+, I just get whatever's got the best price/performance ratio. It's shameful that AMD's 1G behind and still beating the P4 3.2E in games, all thx to its integrated memory controller. I didn't buy Intel this round because Prescott until now is still seen as a failure! I hate all f*cking fanboys.

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August 2, 2004 6:54:37 PM

remeber, 1ghz for intel means something completely different from 1ghz for amd. you cant just say that one speed is better then another, you should know clockspeed doesnt matter that much anymore.
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August 2, 2004 7:15:23 PM

THOth93 listen to pickxx, real solid system for pretty cheap. Dont forget to look int he 6800Gt if you can find one decently price. Your computer will last longer with a top notch card than a top notch CPU. If gamin is your thing consider new gen video card.

And kanavit I love your post, I get a smile everytime I see them!

The P4E ROXXXXXX lookat the numbers!!! 1 meg of cach, 1 ghz ahead of AMD, windows shows 2 cpus!!! oh and my favorite number it has a <b>31</b> stage pipeline!!!! Amd has half as many stage in their pipeline it sux!

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August 3, 2004 1:37:29 AM

I haven't looked at this post in a while...and you say what if Win64 never comes out.....
let me ask this, in 35years will there be, or have been, a 64bit OS? I mean seriously. It is comming. and even if Microsoft doean't put it out for 5years its on the way.
Maybe for this round it may not be out, but since a A64 3200+ kicks arse in all games. But Windows for A64 is on the way and it would take tsunami hitting redmond washington to stop it all together.
I have a Nforce 250 board and a A64 2800+, if i had your vid card i would KILL your scores/times with far cry.

you are laughable
August 3, 2004 2:05:56 AM

what if microsoft dump amd 64 in favor of IA-64 itanium? since there is already windows server 2003 for Itanium OS.

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August 3, 2004 2:12:27 AM

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what if microsoft dump amd 64 in favor of IA-64 itanium? since there is already windows server 2003 for Itanium OS.

What are you talking about?
Itanium OS?
dump a64 in favor of IA-64?
You really have no clue what your talking about.
Please before you post stuff do alittle thing called reading. Everyone of your posts don't make sense.


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August 3, 2004 2:13:25 AM

if they were going to do that, dont you think they owuld have already? what point would there be to invest at all in amd64 if they planned to drop it for itanium, that would be a bit stupid i would think. besides, if they wanted to really focus on itanium, they could have done that from the start.
August 3, 2004 2:19:25 AM

Alright, lets say they drop making it special for AMD....they will make a 64bit OS. They will, it is the future....and guess what....in the future they will make a 128bit one too. And guess what they will make beyond that.....a 256bit version. Your right.

You mention Intel's larger cache and 1Ghz higher speed....they why can a A64 easily out game them?
if AMD is terrible like you say, then wouldn't that be like a ford fiat our performing a Corvette?

In my eyes they are equal and each do a specific thing well. One is not inherently better then the other
August 3, 2004 2:38:41 AM

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the A64 3200+ is quite good cpu. cool n' quiet. but i don't overclock , and 2.0ghz is a full 1ghz behind the P4 3.0E!!

explain to me the point of this statment please

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the P4 3.0E should beat it in most video and audio applications, as well as 3d rendering.

i highly doubt it for video applicatoins, and i know any Athlon based processor owns P4's for audio processing (IE converting wav-mp3. i do it alot). a 3.0C has a hard time beating an A64 3200+ for multimedia stuff.. so the Prescott im sure is either slower or the same

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Plus aquamark3 loves the P4 and so does windows xp because of hyperthreading.

its a benchmark. you spend money on benchmarks? LMFAO

and "multitasking" *can* be faster with HT. my AthlonXP has yet to slow down even when i have like 10 applications all going at the same time. and Athlon based processors have been proven to render Windows itself faster than P4 based chips. Im talking the GUI itself.

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Also, i love intel chipsets.

thats nice. Nvidia chipsets are awesome too, and stability stopped being an issue years ago

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August 3, 2004 2:49:34 AM

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the A64 3200+ is quite good cpu. cool n' quiet. but i don't overclock , and 2.0ghz is a full 1ghz behind the P4 3.0E!!



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explain to me the point of this statment please

LMFAO
well off coarse it's better. the number is bigger isnt' it?
I like this part of the statement "cool n' quiet. but i don't overclock"
HAHAHA



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August 3, 2004 3:04:11 AM

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What are you talking about?
Itanium OS?
dump a64 in favor of IA-64?
You really have no clue what your talking about.
Please before you post stuff do alittle thing called reading. Everyone of your posts don't make sense.

did you read Sudian said about how intel is trying to kill AMD64 or force it out by giving consumers no option but to buy Intel! Intel as high IPC dothans Pentim M, they have EM64T , IA-64, and netburst. Intel will try to push Itanium, and push out x86. These will leave very little choice for opterons.
windows 64-bit xp is delayed for AMD64 til 2005, itanium already has windows server 2003 64-bit OS. AMD64 may never come! Intel kills x86-64! it will be like waiting for HL2 or duke nukem forever, it has been delayed so long that technology becomes obsolete.

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August 3, 2004 3:08:34 AM

to say that the PCU drop going from a a643400+ to a a642800+
is only 10% is like saying upgrading from an XP2000+ to a Barton 2500+ is only a 8% upgrade.
Did you accidentally hit 0 instead of 6? C'mon now we all make mistakes. In light of your non
fanboy attitude and your Almost honest insight i can forgive you. Just admit it.
That was short bus special to say. =P

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August 3, 2004 3:27:27 AM

have you ever heard of linux?

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August 3, 2004 3:41:06 AM

Alright, i was just throwing out #'s for example. Its hard to say the exact % increase or decrease from choices that are made mainly because it doesn't raise the performance equally across the board and certin programs get more from an ungrade then otheres. I would be interested in knowing the increase in performance from a 2800+ to a 3400+ on the same platform and everything. But alas i do not know.

I dont actually know the decrease in performance from a 2800+ to a 3400+....i am greatfully sorry about pretending i did to make a point and please do not hurt me for i am just a little baby in this giant universe ruled by the wickedly smart.

The point was the slight decrease in performance from a 3400+ to a 2800+....be it 10% or 30%.....would be less then the GINORMOUS leap from a 9800Pro to a 6800GT which in some cases is as high as 175%+.

I am a fanboy!!!!...i am a fan of money, I do favor certin products as we all do but when its clear which product shines....you have to respect that.

Again i apologize for not taking the time and calculating the % increase by factoring the performance gain per application, weighted by the usage of the average consumer, and personal experiance.

Thanx for correcting me. sometimes i just need a hug and a little help
August 3, 2004 3:48:00 AM

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have you ever heard of linux?

Linux 64 has very little software support. if any, and is it faster than windows xp?

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August 3, 2004 3:48:42 AM

Kanavite you should read <A HREF="http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/muglia_winserver.a..." target="_new"> this </A> it explains a lot. Intel gambling ia64 will replace x86 is a much bigger gamble then rambus was! Besides why would you want intel to dominate with ia64 that would mean no competion, no cross licence with AMD for ia64 so intel would controll all. This would make or allow intel to charge much more per CPU at the expense of US the buyer.

M$ future vision is hardware will be free for consummer just pay for software. If this happens its a long way off but it would never happen if ia64 became dominate. M$ cares only about M$ and they do not want their OS priced out of reach from the consumer. not everyone cares to upgrade from a 2.6 p4 to a PE 3.0 to a PE 3.2.

Kanavite you got your prescott 3.2 at the price you did because of AMD and you really should thank them for that. If amd did not exist that CPU would have cost a lot more. Free bunny or no bunny.

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August 3, 2004 3:56:03 AM

you were talking about server OSs. And yes i do believe linux is a better OS than windows xp. But it will never get the support it deserves.

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August 3, 2004 3:59:50 AM

If less is better and you only want it for a year or 2?
Amd - XP 2800+ Barton 333mhz FSB, 512 L2 cache. 85$
Gigabyte - GA-7N400-Pro2; nForce2, 1AGP(8x), 5PCI, Audio, 1GbLAN, Video. 100$
Generic - 256MB PC3200 DDR for 26$ a piece. Fill that board up for 104$
WD - Raptor 36.7GB 10,000RPM, 8MB Cache, Serial ATA, 5 yr warranty. 120$
Seagate - Serial ATA 120GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache. 90$
ATI - Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB DDR AGP8X (OEM) True 256 bit card. 200$ (200$ nvidia's not worth it.)
Case - Who cares? Pick one up for 40$ with a 450W PS.
CD/RW/DVD/DVD-+=@RWBLAH! - Who cares. Pick out whatever suits ya for 50$ - 100$
Logitech mouse- MX510 for 40$

This gives you 4 sticks of 256MBDDR 400Mhz to play with later, onboard video for when that betsy becomes a net surfer
or a closet server, A 150 SATA 10000 RPM HDD for faster loading times, 120Gb of storage for your pirating needs for a total
of 2 HDD's to play with later, A solid DX9 card, and a great proc for a lil' bit' a nothin.
839$ - 889$ kill a hard drive of your choice and drop 100$. kill 512 DDR and save 50$ more.
thats 700$ for a machine you can still have work after you steal the Video card and
256Mb Mem down the road. The mouse is a must though. I'm a logitech fanboy.


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August 3, 2004 4:12:03 AM

Intel will try to push Itanium, and push out x86. These will leave very little choice for opterons.
windows 64-bit xp is delayed for AMD64 til 2005, itanium already has windows server 2003 64-bit OS. AMD64 may never come! Intel kills x86-64! it will be like waiting for HL2 or duke nukem forever, it has been delayed so long that technology becomes obsolete.
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look at Nintendo, fanboy. AMD64 will run win XP, just like Ps2 runs PS1 games.
Even giants fall when they piss on the masses kid, don't fool yourself.


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August 3, 2004 4:13:57 AM

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did you read Sudian said about how intel is trying to kill AMD64 or force it out by giving consumers no option but to buy Intel!

Ja, Intel's been trying--and failing--to kill AMD for ages. Now AMD's stronger than it's ever been, and Intel's been shooting itself in the foot repeatedly all year long.

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Intel as high IPC dothans Pentim M, they have EM64T , IA-64, and netburst

Keep telling yourself that...maybe Intel will contrive a great big 128-bit whiskey-powered flying jalopy too. :wink:

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Intel will try to push Itanium, and push out x86.

Intel already tried to push IA64. IA64 got forced into the same narrow niche where most RISC platforms already curled up and died.

Even Intel's mighty IA64 partner (HP) is going for Opteron these days...looks like the market already made its choice and left Itanium out in the cold.

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windows 64-bit xp is delayed for AMD64 til 2005, itanium already has windows server 2003 64-bit OS.

And IA64 has almost no apps available for that shiny Windows O/S. And rather than gaining app support, it's actually <i>losing</i> it to Opteron...

...not to mention which, IA64 doesn't promise nearly enough volume to give Microsoft a decent ROI. That would probably be why MSFT is quietly edging away from it.

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AMD64 may never come!

Oh, Microsoft WILL support AMD64. There's no way Ballmer and Gates will cede yet another advantage to Linux. There will be Windows for AMD64, else Microsoft would get steamrolled right out of the server arena.

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August 3, 2004 4:23:27 AM

lubb lubb that sig. Good points too.
Very in tune w/ reality.
Now would someone please bash the system i put together
with a million praises on spending tons of money on new [-peep-]
w/ better benches when 6 to 12 months ago the system i put together
was in all actuality "The new [-peep-]".
Where's Kanafish? he should bash me.
I used an AMD, AND its not 64bit. I wanna see him bash the 2800+
after preaching that winXP will last forever and we'll never see
Windows JD super professional home edition 64 bit(or whatever other short bus name MS gives the
next "we need more money from you now" OS we all know will soon be upon us.


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