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August 1, 2004 9:37:42 AM

My laptop is runnign a mobile athlon 64 3200+ (2.0 ghz), but the speed stated in the system properties, and dxdiag seems to indicate that it might be running "cool'n'quiet"

with power adapter plugged in: (power settings on "always on")
my computer system info : 800 mhz
dxdiag system info : 800 mhz
3dmark03 system info : 2 ghz
CPUID info : 2000 mhz

with power adapter plugged in: (power settings on "minimal power useage")
my computer system info : 320 mhz
3dmark03 system info : 800 mhz
CPUID info : 800 mhz
dxdiag system info : 320 mhz

with laptop running from battery power:
my computer system info : 320 mhz
3dmark03 system info : 800 mhz
CPUID info : 800 mhz
dxdiag system info : 320 mhz

AMD technical support have been no help, and the laptop manufacturers Tiny/Time say that the speed shown in the system properties and dxdiag is actually the FSB, but there is a high possibility that the laptop coiuld be running "cool'n'quiet"

Does anyone know how to deactivate cool'n'quiet in Windows XP Home SP1, or in the bios? (if applicable)

Thanks for your help ;) 

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August 1, 2004 9:57:39 AM

the option to disable it is in the bios, not to sure where, might be power settings

If u do things right.... People won't be sure you've done anything at all......
August 1, 2004 11:52:07 PM

The numbers look quite normal. You have full speed when plugged in.
What you may want to change is power settings in control panel. This gives more options than shutting down in bios.
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August 2, 2004 1:08:47 AM

I run into the same problem, my laptop runs at about 800 mhz all the time, even when plugged, and set to always on.

I uninstalled the CPU driver in hardware manager, and after that my CPU stayed at the full clock speed. :frown:

This works ok, temporarily, but the next time you turn on your computer Windows XP, will have the driver installed and it will once again be controlling your CPU speed.

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August 2, 2004 1:17:04 AM

I checked my BIOS, and I don't have any option to control power features, I would imagine your BIOS is similar. I have owned several laptops now, and have yet to have one that allowed you to do much more than set the time.

It was my understanding that cool'n'quiet was part of the CPU driver/software that is installed with Windows. Correct me if I am wrong? Obvisuly this is electronically controlling the hardware somehow, there have to be hacks out for this, but, I have yet to find any. :frown:

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August 2, 2004 3:35:45 AM

I guess I spoke to soon, just turn my laptop on again, and even with it set to Home/office Desk, the clock has once again returned to 800 mhz.

There has to be a true hack for this? I have another ideal also, what about using a desktop 64-bit driver instead of the mobile one, obvisuly the chips are different, especially in my case (AMD 3000+ 64-bit), would using the desktop drivers work?

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August 2, 2004 6:10:58 AM

Mr5oh, could oyu do me a favour please?
my laptop is currently in for screen replacement because it had damaged pixels from day 1, but could oyu please ruin a benchmark such as 3dmark03 on your laptop when it is running at 800 mhz, and then again when it is running at 1.8 ghz, to see the difference in fps in the CPU tests, and overall score?

ty :p 
August 2, 2004 6:49:17 AM

Your laptop running at 800 MHz even when plugged in is probably normal. It will only speed up when you put enough load on the cpu, that is the whole idea behind C&Q. Benchmark numbers might suffer slightly, since it does take maybe half a second for the cpu to speed up, but for anything else as running benchmarks, you probably want your laptop to work like this. Not much point in having the cpu burn 60+W of power and heating your lap and your room if your just emailing or browsing.

Now, if you do want to disable C&Q nevertheless, I suggest you not only uninstall the AMD CPU driver in the device manager, delete the appropriate files as well, or alternatively replace the driver with a standard cpu driver; open up device manager, right click the cpu, properties, driver, "update driver", choose manually, don't search, then deselect "show compatible devices". Then pick a generic driver or maybe even the K7 driver. (Don't blame if your computer catches fire or deletes all your porn files after this though :D  )

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August 2, 2004 6:55:28 AM

Ok I did a few quick tests, and now am rather confused. First a test with cool'n'quiet enabled. Winows was reporting a clock speed of 797 mhz, I have a feeling it was going above that for the benchmarking, which is what cool'n'quiet is supposed to do. Using PCMark02 (What I have, sorry), CPU scored 5073, and the RAM scored 5671.

Second test was the exact same, except I uninstalled the CPU driver, and rebooted, windows reported the clock speed 1.79 mhz. Again using PCMark02, CPU scored 5787, and the RAM scored 6830.

Ok so that what it tested, so why am I confused? How does my laptop with 512 MB (PCWizard04 tells me it is PC2600) score 6830, while my desktop with a gig of dual channel PC3200 scores 4956? :frown: The RAM in the laptop and desktop are currently running the same timings.

I have the free version of 3dMark03 but the laptop is only able to run the first test. Its late, so I will try and run FPS test tommorow.

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August 2, 2004 7:15:03 AM

After reading P4mans post, which makes since about cool'n'quiet taking a second to kick in, I ran two consecutive tests with cool'n'quiet enabled, the second test yielded a CPU score of 5725, and a RAM score of 6321. Windows reported a clock speed of 1.57 mhz.

So I have concluded, either PCMark02 is not benchmarking properly, or, cool'n'quiet is doing what ever it wants with the CPU speed randomly. :frown:

Honestly I would prefer to be able to control this feature manually, when I am sitting in class I would prefer the CPU run 350-800 mhz, to save power. However, when it is plugged in and I am playing a game or whatever I want to know that I am using the full power of the CPU. It is upsetting that AMD, and the manufacturers made this feature basically uncontrolable to the user. Even after I remove the driver, it reinstalls it the next time I turn the computer on, if I set it to run as a desktop, it goes to full clock, until the next time I turn on the computer, then back to 800 mhz.

Is your laptop not a Compaq? Mine also had display problems, within a couple of weeks I had images permantantly burnt into the screen, which I thought was impossible with LCDs, however once the tech saw it, he exchanged it.

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August 2, 2004 7:39:25 AM

we are tweakers, most people dont even realize what a clock cycle is.. they just know that cool and quiet "saves power , while speedig up the CPU only when you really need it"

are you sure you cant disable cool and quiet in the bios?



as for your Desktop scoring less.. do you have spyware/crap running in the background? alot of memory in use? hard to say, thast why i dont trust benchmarking programs that much

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August 2, 2004 7:55:05 AM

Quote:
are you sure you cant disable cool and quiet in the bios?

Yeah I went all through the BIOS and there isn't anything to disable it.

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as for your Desktop scoring less.. do you have spyware/crap running in the background? alot of memory in use?

No I don't have any spyware and such running, I tested these scores on a fresh format, with only current drivers installed, all networking devices disabled (so no internet). As far as the drivers and such I disabled any of the quick start items some of them include.

PCWizard 2004 says the processor supports Processor Throttling with a range of 44%-100%.

I'm still trying to decide if I should try the desktop 64-bit drivers on my mobile chip?

I can't believe there aren't any hacks out there for this?

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August 2, 2004 8:31:00 AM

>'m still trying to decide if I should try the desktop 64-
>bit drivers on my mobile chip?

64 bit drivers ? Will only work under XP 64 beta. Not sure you want to mess with that yet.

>I can't believe there aren't any hacks out there for this?

Reread my previous post. Using a generic CPU driver driver ought to disable C&Q, and blame your oem for not providing a BIOS option to disable it.

That said, the difference you see in scores between C&Q on/off are probably not representative of actual performance. many benchmarks will measure clock speed and/or some performance figure right at startup (which could still be 800 Mhz) which might lead to disproportionate (word?) worse results. Many benchmarks give odd (or flatout wrong) results with C&Q or Speedstep. Try an actual game/app that runs for several minutes, and compare then. I doubt you'll be seeing anything more than a couple percent at worst.

Running the bench twice won't change this btw, C&Q will slow down the cpu so fast, you really won't have time to rerun it and get a different result.

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August 2, 2004 8:58:36 AM

Would his BIOS not have an option to set both Fan speeds and rates ?

I have no use for lap tops aside from boat anchors so I seldom roam the BIOS on one unless a friend gets on their knees and begs me of course she has to be female.

All my ASUS BIOS have an option to adjust Cool & Quiet to enabled or off depending on what kind of system loads you think your going to drop onto the CPU in regards to graphics in most cases.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Air Cooled 45C
2x512 Corsair DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
August 2, 2004 10:55:26 AM

My laptop bios does not have any option to control this, neither have any of the other laptops I have messed with.

When I said 64-bit desktop drivers, I meant the drivers to the Desktop AMD 64-bit chips, which I assume do not have this, however my concern was because the chips have differnt cores, and amounts of L2 cache.

I tried installing just a generic CPU driver, however Windows XP automatically reinstalls the correct driver as soon as the computer is booted up.

And yes I agree it is the manufacturers fault for not giving an option to controll this, I have tried contacting support about it, and they said to set power properties to desktop, which does not work.

The realality is I was trying to turn it off just to run some tests, to see if there was any difference, what the parent poster had in mind I do not know. I think the truth is though, a laptop is not a gaming machine, cannot really be a true gaming machine, and should not be considered capable of being one. Disabling Cool'n'quiet isn't going to magically transform your laptop into a gaming machine :frown:

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August 2, 2004 11:53:08 AM

MY laptop is a Tiny/Time (yes flame away, but it was £700 cheaper than the compaq equivalent spec wise). I also have a P4 compaq presario R3000T (dedicated gfx card series), which is in all ways (except for the basics of ram, cpu and gfx card) better than the time/tiny platina. I play a game called Ultima Online, which is programmed in such a way that, while running it, it will use up all of your system idle process procesor power (hence your cpu runs at 100% always). When i use this on my P4 laptop (which has powersteppng, similar to C&Q), the procesor automatically runs at 2.8 ghz, instead of the 1.6 it runs at under hardly any load. However, no matter what i do on my athlon 64 system, even when it is running at 100% load in uo, or running farcry on absolute maximum graphics settings, the processor speed will not rise above 800 mhz..

I cant comment on bios options to disable it, because its still in for a screen replacement, but ill give it a go when its returned to me. About using generic processor drivers - any idea how to make the system use only these drivers? From what ive heard, even after uninstalling the amd drivers provided, the system will automatically reinstall these drivers from somewhere else ont he system,r ather than reverting to generic ones :( 
August 2, 2004 2:50:39 PM

Nice desktop system, even more impressive if you know about carpentry is your desk that you also built your self nice.

Below is a pic to my set-up. I have had the same CPU case for the last 6 years. I guess I could by a light box like yours but this case is the cats meow internally for air cooling. I have another box I use that is water cooled but it is not a light box either, and is currently a game server in the works. AMD XP2500 Mobile water cooled.

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Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Air Cooled 45C
2x512 Corsair DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
August 2, 2004 3:39:14 PM

Quote:
Would his BIOS not have an option to set both Fan speeds and rates ?

I have no use for lap tops aside from boat anchors so I seldom roam the BIOS on one unless a friend gets on their knees and begs me of course she has to be female.

All my ASUS BIOS have an option to adjust Cool & Quiet to enabled or off depending on what kind of system loads you think your going to drop onto the CPU in regards to graphics in most cases.


i have no idea.. especially with laptops. i hate them too :D 




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August 2, 2004 4:31:13 PM

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Nice desktop system, even more impressive if you know about carpentry is your desk that you also built your self nice.

Below is a pic to my set-up. I have had the same CPU case for the last 6 years. I guess I could by a light box like yours but this case is the cats meow internally for air cooling. I have another box I use that is water cooled but it is not a light box either, and is currently a game server in the works. AMD XP2500 Mobile water cooled.

Thanks SoDNighthawk. You certainly have a pretty nice setup your self. Sounds like you got a few nice machines. For cooling my case couldn't get any worse, but on the up side, everyone thinks it looks neat.

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August 2, 2004 10:00:29 PM

>I tried installing just a generic CPU driver, however
>Windows XP automatically reinstalls the correct driver as
>soon as the computer is booted up.

delete the A64 .inf files from your harddisk, and possibly from the driver cache folder, that way windows can't reinstall the correct drivers.. its not elegant, but should work..

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August 3, 2004 5:45:30 PM

Hello,

Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center.

Cool 'n' Quiet will slow the processor when not in use, or while being
use with the battery, however, it does seems like Windows is detecting
the bus frequency of the HyperTransport link (FSB). AMD CPUID will
detect and report the actual speed at which the processor is working.

For support on disabling Cool 'n' Quiet, or PowerNow!, please contact
the laptop manufacturer.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.

Regards,
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Customer Support Analyst
AMD TSC


hmm, seems this amd techy support analyst is telling me the same thing as Tiny/Time..
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