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Which do you think is a better option, and why?

XP2200+ (266MHz FSB), 1GB Dual-Channel DDR333, BBA R9800 Pro running at 4xAGP

P4 2.4b (533MHz FSB), 1GB Single-Channel DDR333, BBA R9800 Pro running at 8x AGP

In all seriuosness, which one will perform better? I have to option to switch at no cost to myself, and was wondering if the Dual Channel and 8xAGP capabilites would be worth the switch?

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Reply to Cybercraig

Care to elaborate a little?

Also, keep in mind that I can also upgrade the XP2200+ to an XP3200 with DDR400 RAM in the near future.. whereas the P4 board is not upgradeable (not for a reasonable price anyways.)

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Reply to sparky853

You'll gain a rip-roaring 3% advantage with dual channel on that board. You will see NO advantage in 8X AGP vs 4X AGP. The buss outruns all current cards.

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Reply to Cybercraig

One other reason I am asking is because I have having some stability problems with the P4 board with the R9800 using CAT 4.4 and above. I get VPU recovery errors and have even got a "Sync Out Of Range" error.

Its not the PSU (I changed to a 420W PurePower - no change), its not the RAM (tested with MemTest86 - OK), its not the video card (had the same problem with my R9600XT), and its not the monitor (changed monitors - same result).
I have reformatted and reinstalled all the latest drivers and have not seen a change.

Therefore, its down to motherboard.

I may try the XP2200+ with the 9800 Pro and see if it resolves the instability issue. Even if there is not a noticible difference, if it solves the stability issue, that may be worth the swap alone.

Intel P4 2.4B, MSI 645E Max-U Mobo, 1GB DDR333, ATI R9800PRO 128MB, TT PurePower 420W, SB Live 5.1, Samsung 120GB, Maxtor 120GB, LG DVD+-R/RW, WIN2K PRO SP4

Reply to sparky853

Running the XP2200 with the R9800 Pro, CAT 4.8, so far no stability issues. The P4 would have been rebooted about 10 times by now.

Off to a good start. :smile:

Anyone else had any issues with (800 Pros in MSI mobos with 4xAGP??

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Reply to sparky853

Why didn't you tell me it was an MSI board? I would have told you to pitch it in the river. My best buddy plays Doom3 on 1024 X 768 HQ with a 2.0B and a 9600XT-256mb. On a SOYO board no less.

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Reply to Cybercraig

They will perform nearly equal

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I'm glad the Amd system is giving you some relief. What make and model is the new mobo?
If the problem with the P4 started recently, it could just be a dust problem, on the mobo, or on the hsf.

Reply to endyen

According to the benchmarks, the 2.4 performed a bit better, partly because the RAM ran at 333, the 2200 runs the RAM an 266, but I can OC the 2200.

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I'm glad the Amd system is giving you some relief. What make and model is the new mobo?
If the problem with the P4 started recently, it could just be a dust problem, on the mobo, or on the hsf.

I used the Abit NF7 mobo. Being more stable, the XP2200, even with a slight performance drop, is worth it. The problems started after installing some newer CAT drivers. There is very little/no dust on the heatsink/fan.

I think it was a combination of the SiS AGP drivers/AGP 4x/CAT drivers that was the problem with the MSI P4 board.

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Reply to sparky853

I was actually quite happy with the MSI board, up until just recently. I never really had a reason to go beyone the 4.3 drivers, cause they worked flawlessly.

I really only needed the upgrade because of the stability issues with Doom :smile:

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Reply to sparky853

P4 2.4b is faster than AXP 2200+ when paired with RDRAM or Dual channel DDR. With single channel DDR333, AXP 2200+ and P4 2.4b should perform nearly equal.

DDR266 is good enough for 266 FSB AXP if you don't overclock

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Reply to Spitfire_x86

The 2.4b was single channel memory, but ran the RAM at 333 speeds, instead of 266, so it got the extra boost.

I plan on picking up a 2800+, they can be found for about $165 CDN (or less if you're lucky), that will give me a bit more boost.

And that will have to do for a couple more years, then it will be a major upgrade to AMD Dual-Core 64, 4 GB DDR2600, 1GB SLI Video, SATA 600GB HDD.... :smile:

*drool

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Reply to sparky853

Dont get the 2800+, get an xp-m2500+ They are about $40. cheaper, have unlocked multiplier, OC like a banshee. They work great on the Abit board.

Reply to endyen

what core is your 2200+? Cause you could probably overclock your chip pretty fair and save yourself some money.

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Reply to DonnieDarko

Quit your search now! Get a 3.0C Northwood with the D1 stepping. I have this dog at 3.5ghz at stock Vcore and 39C! Unbelieveable. I wonder what I'll have to do to get it to 3.6ghz? Flatter it? :lol:

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Reply to Cybercraig

Word to the wise. Your mobo tends to undervolt, so raise your v-core to 1.675, at least, and v-dimm by a 1/10th or 2. This should give the required voltages.

Reply to endyen

Totally agree... go Mobile XP. I got 2 - 2500's on NF7's @ 2.4GHz and 2.6GHz.

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Reply to pauldh

With the IS7 sure, but that won't help him as his mobo doesn't support 800 bus P4's.

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Reply to pauldh

I found an XP-M 2500+ at a store in TO for $124. Maybe I'll get it instead. Not sure yet just which way I'm gonna go.

XP2200+, Abit NF7, 1GB Dual-Channel DDR333, ATI R9800PRO 128MB, TT PurePower 420W, Samsung 120GB, Maxtor 120GB, LG DVD+-R/RW, WIN2K PRO SP4

Reply to sparky853

I just got rid of a P4 2.4b because of stability problems, although the problems were with the mobo shipset/AGP drivers/CAT drivers, not the CPU itself.

And besides, the mobo I had didn't support 800MHz FSB.

XP2200+, Abit NF7, 1GB Dual-Channel DDR333, ATI R9800PRO 128MB, TT PurePower 420W, Samsung 120GB, Maxtor 120GB, LG DVD+-R/RW, WIN2K PRO SP4

Reply to sparky853

That's about the same price as newegg has. To get that in Canada is a great deal

Reply to endyen

Well Sparky, your prayers have been answered! You can get a 3.0C with D1 stepping and a <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13-139-144&DEPA=0" target="_new">free</A> motherboard for it! Now all you have to do is clock the pants off of it! :lol:

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Reply to Cybercraig

The only problem is I would have to spend more money...and the wife has already put her foot down. :frown:

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to OC the snot out of my XP2200 and when it burns up, I have a valid excuse to upgrade again :wink:

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Reply to sparky853

If it's a B core, it will probably OC like a banshee on that board. It will probably need 1.75v to break a sweat.

Reply to endyen

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Dont get the 2800+, get an xp-m2500+ They are about $40. cheaper, have unlocked multiplier, OC like a banshee.

I think there is some misunderstanding that the regular XP chips don't overclock well or something. Generally everyone gets the mobile 2500 up to 3200+ (2.0 - 2.1 ghz) speeds no problems. There are some advantages to the mobile chip, as it does run a little cooler, but in the end the 2800+ is still a faster chip (2.08 ghz stock), and will overclock farther.

Even in hot enviroments my 2800 runs at 2.5 ghz, now that it is in the cool basement, 2.6 is stable. I don't know many 2500+'s that run these speeds on air cooling.

Yes the 2800+ is a little more exspensive, but with the extra speed, who knows, you may not even have to overclock.

Oh.. and endyen, not saying you have the misunderstanding about the XP chips, I know you understand this. Just my opinion I wouldn't, completely rule out the 2800+. (I think the price jump to the 3000+ and 3200+ would rule them out though.)

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Reply to Mr5oh

Few xp2800+ chips available today get above 2.2 Most xp-m chips run well at 2.4, a good oc guy can get to 2.6+ on air, higher on water. The xp-m can also be clocked/ volted down for those hot desert days, when the ambient gets close to 60c, or for someone who wants a low noise system.

Reply to endyen

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Few xp2800+ chips available today get above 2.2

I'm confused, why does when the 2800+ chips are made make a difference? I purchased my retail 2800+ recently (It's about a 1.5 months old, from a major retailer), and it overclocks fine. I am not sure what would limit them to 2.2, even my friends 2700+ goes well past that without problems.

Generally I haven't run into any 2800+ chips that won't at least make it to 400 fsb speed. In cool enviroments, many go past this. Maybe I have just had good luck?

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The xp-m can also be clocked/ volted down

You do have an excellent point there though, the lower voltages that the mobile chips can run, is a strong point for them, especially as the 2800+ and up chips are known for running a little warm.

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He has MoBo listed at the bottom of his post!!

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