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Intel 775 vs AMD 939 (need help)

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September 1, 2004 11:00:51 PM

can't seem to choose between which platform
i've read alot of reviews but i want some opinions


ASUS A8V Deluxe (<A HREF="http://nl.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8v-d/overview..." target="_new">click</A>) w/ AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (socket 939)

/ vs /

ASUS P5GDC Deluxe (<A HREF="http://nl.asus.com/products/mb/socket775/p5gdc-d/overvi..." target="_new">click</A>) w/ Intel Pentium 4 550, 3,4 GHz (socket 775)


amd seems alot faster for games but is more expensive and the new intel chipsets supports ddr2 and pci-express

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September 1, 2004 11:05:25 PM

The athlon 3500+ is more expensive than the 550 but in the end the athlon combo will be cheaper because DDR2 memory and PCI express cards still demand a price premium.

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September 1, 2004 11:07:35 PM

hmm money is no object here :p 

and why is amd faster? only thing i know about processors is more mhz is faster, intel has 3,4 and amd has 2,2
i know amd is 64 but i just don't get it

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by zenfox on 09/01/04 07:24 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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September 1, 2004 11:10:32 PM

Well, the AMD motherboard is about $50 less, and memory for the AMD system can be upwards of $50 less as well, so the price for the two would actuall be about the same.

If you are going to use it for games, go AMD. If you are using it for things the Intel chips excel at, get Intel.

Edited: Actually the AMD chip is about $100 more than the Pentium 4. Sorry about that.

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September 1, 2004 11:25:53 PM

AMD is faster in games for a couple different reasons-
1. The architecture is different from Intels. Just because it is slower mhz wise doesn't mean it is slower performance wise.
2. The AMD athlon 64's have an on-die memory controller. This reduces latency for the RAM, which improves performance.

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September 1, 2004 11:33:03 PM

The AMD chip is "faster" for two reasons now. It can do more inputs for a given number of clockcyles, and it has faster memory access time.
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September 1, 2004 11:43:06 PM

Intel seems to be suffering from power and heat troubles along with limited stocks of higher models and higher system costs due to the newer fits of DDR2 and PCI Express... they offer the same performance for a higher price - go with AMD.
September 1, 2004 11:54:10 PM

I would go Intel DDR2 and PCI Express.

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September 2, 2004 1:39:58 AM

well one thing you need to do is forget about the whole bigger mhz is better, as that died a long time ago.

one of the big reasons for the athlon 64's success in gaming and other areas is that the memory controller is integrated on the processor itself, unlike intel systems that have to use an off chip memory controller.

i also want to point out that you will gain nothing from pci-e, no performance will be felt for a long time since evne agp today isnt fully used by graphics cards. so waiting evne a year or two before going to pci-e wont kill you, agp isnt going to dissappear so soon. ddr2 is a similar thing. it brings no performance boosts in its current form and wont for probably a year when ddr2 667 and dd2 800 come to the market, nto to mention your intel packeg will end up costing more then the amd package becuase of the great price difference. Even if you bought into lg755 now, ddr2 and pci-e give you nothing, and youd have to upgrade yet again when intel releases a new chipset for faster ddr2 support to take real advantage of faster ddr2 667 or ddr2 800 ram.


if you must have pci-e, you could wait a couple months and get an nforce 4 ahtlon 64 system. that will give you dual pci-e slots if you wanted to use 2 graphics cards at once, and that would be a reason to want pci-e.
September 2, 2004 1:42:23 AM

Quote:
but your also an idiot


I think that statement alone reflects your burgeoning intelligence.

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September 2, 2004 2:00:03 AM

ROFLMAO

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September 2, 2004 2:11:41 AM

nice edit there


dude your KNOWN for your biased unfounded remarks, so plz, go place a dildo up your bum

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September 2, 2004 2:22:38 AM

Your known for being a gay AMD bully.

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September 2, 2004 2:34:06 AM

We don't mean to nasty too you, but you are just so uninformed.
You make suggestions based on your fanboism and not on the facts.
Phial isn't a fanboy, he makes suggestions based on what the guy needs. At the current time amd has the best hardware out right now for gaming. So he suggests that. If it was intel he'd do the samething.
So please, too save some of us time in correcting you, don't post unless you have facts to backup what you say.
And by facts I don't mean slogans like "ddr2, dual channels, pci express, 1mb L2 cache". You understand that alot of these are gimicks too get people like you too buy it. They don't tell you that pci express has no advantage right now, they don't tell you that ddr2 is no faster than standard ddr, they don't tell you that the 1mb L2 cache is only there to make up for the slower speed of the prescot core.

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September 2, 2004 2:50:44 AM

i love you too Donnie.. hey if you wanna cyber, pm me and we can meet up *wink*


and yea, they dont tell us that DDR2 is actually slower than DDR1, and will be for quite a while, until the higher mhz DDR2 comes out (and drops in price to a point where itll be realistic)
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September 2, 2004 2:56:55 AM

ohhhh you nasty little e-whore........I'M IN.

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September 2, 2004 3:00:18 AM

Awwww but we were just getting started........*zips fly*

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September 2, 2004 3:11:21 AM

LMAO

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September 2, 2004 3:37:56 AM

If you're going the AMD64 way please get the K8N-E instead of the Via chipset. Personally, I would wait until this platform matures a little bit. There are still very few 939 boards out there and none with PCI-E.

The 775 platform is in the exact same boat except it uses a totally new memory scheme. The 1066mhz buss is just around the corner.

You'll have to take a good hard look at both. Make sure you get the top gaming card you can afford. In the end, it's more important in gaming than a 10% faster CPU. I'm sure some of the sex-toy boys (slaps silly) would have mentioned that except they're busy playing with each other at the moment.

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September 2, 2004 6:50:16 AM

With AMD your future-proofed. With Intel, in spite of the new chipset, you're buying an outdated blast furnace in the Pentium 4. In my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy Intel.

I like the Pentium IV, I really do! And it's so versatile. You simply won't find a more stylish or decorative key chain ornament or paperweight.
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September 2, 2004 7:13:30 PM

thanks for all the great replies guys!! :) 

any thoughts on the ATi Radeon X800 XT vs the NVIDIA GeForce 6800-Ultra<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by zenfox on 09/02/04 04:08 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 2, 2004 11:31:31 PM

For doom3, the 6800u is way better. Some of this is due to the ties between Carmack's crew and Nvidia. Some is because the nvidia chip has so many transistors.
I am reminded often of the ps2 perf of the 5200 cards, so I dont really trust nvidia, but will probably be getting a GT card anyhow.
September 3, 2004 12:18:34 AM

as of right now, the GT is an excellent deal.. too bad ATI wont release an underclocked x800xt (16 pipe) to compete with it

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September 3, 2004 1:18:12 AM

That GT still starts at $600can on the West coast. A little too steep for my blood.
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