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P4 3.2E vs. Athlon 64 3000+ - Need Advice

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September 5, 2004 9:05:15 PM

Hey Folks,

I am debating on wether to buy a P4 3.2E processor on an MSI PT880-LSR mobo for $219 or an Athlon 64 3000+ with the mobo of my choice (although there is one for $279 on outpost which comes with an MSI K8N Neo-FSR board)

Intel: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4159043

AMD: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4153873

I've heard that the 3.2E's Prescott core runs extremely hot, so buying a new HSF and decent CPU compound boosts it to about the same price. What do you think I should do? One thing to note is that I already have a matched pair (2x 512 MB) of Corsair XMS PC3200 memory (I was planning on going the cheap road, but my $109 Athlon XP 2800+ on an ECS N2U which was dual channel kind of fell through when outpost cancelled that part of my order this morning, so I'm back at looking at the expensive gear)

Also, if you think the A64 is better, what mobo should I go for (are there any Dual Channel A64 mobos??)

I'm a college student, so I generally just type papers and play games on my computer (which is currently a P3 933MHz which I got in Jan '01...it just doesn't cut it anymore), although I'll be graduating and my job may require me to do more on my computer (GIS stuff that is)

Any advice would be extremely helpful!!
(or suggestions on something else)

-Chris

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September 6, 2004 6:34:00 AM

Wow, those are incredable prices. It is a tough choice. If the intel set had a better mobo, it would be a no brainer. They are selling that mobo, and the prescott for $16 less than just the chip, at newegg.
Of course with the Amd chip, you get a decent board.
September 6, 2004 3:32:28 PM

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I'm a college student, so I generally just type papers and play games on my computer (which is currently a P3 933MHz which I got in Jan '01...it just doesn't cut it anymore), although I'll be graduating and my job may require me to do more on my computer (GIS stuff that is)

Get the AMD64 based system, AMD CPUs are much better in games than Intel counter part. And the AMD64 system is 64bit ready! This is a better choice in long term. For the mobo, if you want a fully loaded MB get the MSI K8N NEO Platinum or the Chaintech VNF3-250 if you don't need all the bell and whistles!!!

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September 6, 2004 5:38:16 PM

$279 on outpost which comes with an MSI K8N Neo-FSR board)
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Not bad! I think Scotchen has this board and likes it. PM him.

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September 7, 2004 12:52:45 AM

i went from a 2.8B to 3.0E to 3.2E to A64 3400+. I'm happy with my new home atm. The Prescott is like a celeron compared to the A64 in Doom3. The heat is horrible, and the noisy Intel stock fan is unbearable. If you get a prescott, be sure to save some money for a good cpu cooler. Like i did, i spent $50 on a Zalman CNPS7000A which worked magnificently with the prescott. but still the prescott did not satisfy me with it's power in gaming.

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September 7, 2004 1:18:51 AM

Are you serious Kanavit? Did you really buy a non-Intel chip?
September 7, 2004 2:18:12 AM

yes, oh i should give you a link to my A3 score!
i wish THG gave more sig space.

<A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=148954396..." target="_new">63,524</A> big 2000pts increase from Prescott 3.2E with same video card. I am happy. Cool n' quiet rocks to , something i overlooked.

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Asus K8V basic Bios 1004
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
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September 7, 2004 2:51:14 PM

*Faints*

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September 7, 2004 2:53:44 PM

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but still the prescott did not satisfy me with it's power in gaming

<font color=red>Warning! Schizophrenia Detected!</font color=red>

<pre>No offense, but this seems a bit of a U-turn...</pre><p> :wink:

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September 8, 2004 9:42:51 PM

Out of curiosity, would it be a decent idea to get an Athlon 64 3200+ DTR (Clawhammer core, CG version) chip, get a heat sink/fan that actually works on it (Thermalright SLK-948U, correct??) and a mobo that would run it? (Looks like the ASRock K8S8X is a nice one for the task, which has suddenly become rediculously hard to find, or the ASUS K8V/K8N mobo's, although the ASRock has a AGP/PCI lock)

It looks like I could overclock the thing well too if I wanted (which I am becoming more and more interrested in doing...since I've been reading about it and it doesn't seem too difficult [famous last words...])

Anyone have a thought on the matter?? (am I just acting foolish!?!?!?)

Lemme know y'all!!

-Kabob
September 8, 2004 10:35:50 PM

*Brick falls from ass*

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September 8, 2004 11:13:27 PM

The DTR A64s are not the OCer that the xp-ms were. This may change with the 90 nano chips that are coming available. Put a regular A64-3200+ on an Asus K8N-E Deluxe, and you should be able to get 4000+ perf out of it.
September 9, 2004 12:31:10 AM

How the heck can you OC a 3200+ that much (one heck of a HSF??) So, you don't like the DTR's for overclocking? I heard that they made fantastic OCers...but then again, you've probably got alot more experience than I do. Out of curiosity, how far can I overclock the 3200+ and what would be the ratio of HTT:RAM that I would want to shoot for (I'm still really new to the whole overclocking scheme)??

How well would an ASUS K8V SE (delux or whatever) work??

How far COULD I overclock a DTR 3200+??

Thanks for all the help guys!!
-Kabob
September 9, 2004 12:57:34 AM

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i went from a 2.8B to 3.0E to 3.2E to A64 3400+. I'm happy with my new home atm. The Prescott is like a celeron compared to the A64 in Doom3. The heat is horrible, and the noisy Intel stock fan is unbearable. If you get a prescott, be sure to save some money for a good cpu cooler. Like i did, i spent $50 on a Zalman CNPS7000A which worked magnificently with the prescott. but still the prescott did not satisfy me with it's power in gaming.

WOW, this is coming from the guy that told everyone that a64 are terrible buys and that prescots are much faster with there "sse3 support".
Well I'll at least give you respect now that you finally are no longer a fanboy and have fallen off the intel bandwagon.




Watch out for the <b><font color=red>bloody</font color=red></b> Fanboys!

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September 9, 2004 2:39:44 AM

When I said 4000+, I ment A64-4000+. It will run at 2.6 ghz, with a 200mhz mem bus. You should get that perf by raising the mem bus to 227, and the chip will run at 2.5ghz. I have done this on my K8N-E Deluxe board, but it needs more than the stock cooler I'm using.
I am not a big via fan, I can usually keep one of thier chipsets going, but it's a lot of work. Like most people here, I prefer the nforce3 250 chipset.
Early attempts to OC the A64 DTRs did not have a lot of success, about 10% max. That may change with 90 nano chips, but mostly, it is the heat spreader that helps the standard A64 to OC.
September 9, 2004 1:18:35 PM

A64 4000+?? There isn't such a thing... Are you suggesting I buy a slower chip and OC it and the memory to speeds which should be equivilent to a 4000+ (if it existed)
September 9, 2004 1:44:29 PM

Hey, im about to get a 3200+ and ill try an overclock even though im not experienced with, ill have to check here if i have any problems.
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