Hi

I recently ordered a socket 754 A64 3400+. As far as I'm aware, the 3400+ was clocked at 2.2 ghz with 1 mb L2 cache, yet the vendor insists that the version they stock is a 2.4 ghz version with a 512k L2 cache.

Am I missing something or is the vendor mistaken? If such a product exists, my question is why make two different chips but call them the same name?

Thanks

Is it possibly a typo or maybe vendor is selling an overclocked chip, or mobo combo at this speed?

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Well I thought it was a typo as well to be honest, so I contacted them to let them know about the "error" to which they insisted that it's 512k L2 cache and 2.4 ghz. They also have an A64 3200+ that's supposedly got a 2.2ghz clock speed in their price list.

Usually their product info is 100% correct, and they're not some dingy little backyard business that's into overclocking factory items or anything like that, so I'm eagerly awaiting this mysterious chip to see just what the heck is going on...but ANY instability or funny business and the chip goes straight back.

I'll keep you guys informed.

Read and understand their return policy...
Otherwise, you might get stuck with shipping and restocking...Without CC co. getting involved...



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yup, one is Newcastle core(512kb)L2, and the other is the Clawhammer core(1mb)L2. CLawhammer are clocked at 2.2ghz with rating of 3400+, and the Newcastle is clocked at 2.4ghz with same rating. Newcastles are only half the size of the Clawhammer, but higher frequencies make it faster than the Clawhammer stock speeds.

<A HREF="http://hardware.fr/articles/496/page1.html" target="_new">Source</A>

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~"Newcastles are only half the size of the Clawhammer" - I think you mean they have half the Cache (512K) but double have an extra 200Mhz to compensate.

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actually the Newcastles are only half the size of the clawhammers on 130nm process. the Newcastles have only 68.5 million transistors(144mm2), and Clawhammers have 105.9 million trasnistors(193mm2).

<A HREF="http://www.hardware-mag.de/hardware.php?id=254&page=2" target="_new">source</A>

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A64 3400+ Newcastle
1GB PC 4000 Kingston HyperX
Asus K8V basic Bios 1004
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
70,261 Aquamarks

That's really interesting...I presume when you say Newcastle (in this case) you're referring to socket 754?

yes, i am using s754. however s939 also uses newcastle core to, so good pt there.

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Asus K8V basic Bios 1004
PNY Geforce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3
70,261 Aquamarks

half the die of one that has 512k L2 has been turned off. its really just excess transistors. the number of transistors dont really mean much.

I personally would just go for the high clock value and ditch the 1 meg L2 if there was a preference.

NOt only does a 200 mhz make it faster than 512k more on die, but even a slight oc to 2.1 would be faster than 512 more L2.

Clock speed and memory controller is what makes a 939 so fast. its really hte same thing as a 754 2.8, just rated higher and dual channel memory.

Well if its the 512k l2 cache then yeah 2.4ghz is about right. The Clawhammer core with 1mb l2 cache was 2.2ghz while the 3200 clawhammer was 2.16 i think. Just make sure that vendor has a good return policy.

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actually the clawhammer 3200+ is 2.0 ghz
the amd 64s always go down 200 mhz from one model to the next (with the same cores)

Yeah thats right, just knew the 64bit 3200 is lower then 32bit 3200 in clock.

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Since you mentioned overclocking!

If you had a Clawhammer 3400+ 2.4GHz and a Newcastle 3400+ 2.2GHz and both reached 2.6GHz overclocked, the Clawhammer would still have more cache and they'd be clocked the same.

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