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September 18, 2004 9:58:54 PM

I've been a long time visitor to THG and never have joined up until just a couple of days ago when I was in need of some expertise. I figured this was the place to go. Now on to my problem.................

My Specs with nothing overclocked

Athlon XP 3200+ Barton 512K
512 MB Mushkin PC 3200 (1 stick)
Gigabyte GA-7VT600 1394 (latest bios flashed)
MSI RX 9800 PRO (R360 Core)

Sandra Arithmetic Bench

My CPU
7561 MIPS
2876 MFLOPS

XP 3200+ Comparison CPU in Sandra
9142 MIPS
3482 MFLOPS

XP 2200+ 256K Comparison CPU in Sandra
7479 MIPS
2849 MFLOPS

My Other Benches
3dMark 01 SE - 14875
3dMark 03 - 5726
My CPU Score for 3dMark 03 - 520
Doom3 Timedemo demo1 1024x768 Med Quality - 37 FPS

I don't know how these three compare to similar systems like mine but the Sandra benchmark only has my 3200+ barely ahead of a 2200+. Should I be concerned? If anyone needs more info just let me know.

Thanks in advance.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ahardy668 on 09/18/04 06:30 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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September 19, 2004 12:05:58 AM

@ ahardy668 :

The Athlon XP 3200+ is supposed to run at 11 x 200MHz, make sure that you are not running it on a 133 or 166MHz FSB, which would respectively yeild 1466 and 1866MHz.

Download and run <A HREF="http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php#download" target="_new">CPU-Z</A>, it should give you an accurate reading of your FSB and CPU frequency, if you are confused and can't figure out the info, feel free to post the content of the cpuz.txt file that you can create with the Save Results tool that is found under the About tab.





AXP-M 2500+ @ 2.5GHz 200MHz x 12
Abit NF7-S V2.0
3x 512MB of Samsung TCC4
Sapphire Radeon 9700 128MB @ 360/310
2x Maxtor 40GB 7200RPM RAID-0
September 19, 2004 1:21:58 AM

Thanks for the link. Nice little utility.

Check down at the bottom where it has DMI Memory Device. Under Device #1 it has the speed as 144 MHz. What is this? I thought my system memory should be running @200 MHz, or am I thinking of something different?

CPUID Output
------------------------------------------------------------

Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD Athlon XP
Code name Barton
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+
Family/Model/Stepping 6A0
Extended Family/Model 7/A
Package Socket A
Technology 0.13µ
Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Clock Speed 2209.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x11.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 200.9 MHz
Bus Speed 401.8 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 2209.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits

Chipset
-----------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge VIA KT600 rev. 80
Southbridge VIA VT8237 rev. 0
AGP Revision 3.5
AGP Transfert Rate 8x
AGP SBA supported, enabled
AGP Aperture 128 MBytes
Memory Type DDR
Memory Size 512 MBytes
Memory Frequency 200.9 MHz (1:1)
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 8

Memory SPD
-----------------------------------------------------------

Module #1

General
Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) (0000000000000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 3
RAS# Precharge 3
TRAS# 8

DMI Physical Memory Array
-------------------------
Physical Memory Array #1
location Motherboard
usage System Memory
correction None
max capacity 768MBytes
max# of devices 3


DMI Memory Device
-----------------
Memory Device #1
designation A0
format DIMM
type unknown
total width 64bits
data width 64bits
size 512MBytes
speed 144MHz <<<<<<<<<<<<THIS SPEED HERE

Memory Device #2
designation A1
format DIMM
type unknown
total width 64bits
data width 64bits

Memory Device #3
designation A2
format DIMM
type unknown
total width 64bits
data width 64bits
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ahardy668 on 09/18/04 09:35 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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September 19, 2004 2:46:33 AM

OK I also decided to do the Sandra Memory Bandwidth bench. Take a look at my efficiency numbers. They don't look good. As a matter of fact my overall numbers look dismal period.

Reference Chipset (What I'm comparing it to):
VIA KT600 PC3200U CL2 DDR (AMD Athlon XP/400 512L2)
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 3080MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2880MB/s

My Benchmark Results:
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2365MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2193MB/s

>>I seem to be losing a good 700MB/s to the reference chipset.<<

Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 2355MB/s
Scaling : 2344MB/s
Addition : 2387MB/s
Triad : 2375MB/s
Data Item Size : 8-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 74% (estimated)

Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 2355MB/s
Scaling : 2220MB/s
Addition : 2114MB/s
Triad : 2083MB/s
Data Item Size : 8-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 68% (estimated)

Performance Test Status
Run ID : TOYROOM on Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 10:26:09 PM
Memory Used by Test : 256MB
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : P0
Page Size : 4kB
Use Large Memory Pages : No

Chipset 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology VT8377 Apollo KT400/A/600 CPU to PCI Bridge
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 201MHz (402MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 3216MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-6CL 2CMD
Bank 1 : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-6CL 2CMD
Bank Interleave : 4-way
Speed : 2x 201MHz (402MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 3216MB/s (estimated)

Features
(W)MMX Technology : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : No
SSE3 Technology : No
EMMX - Extended MMX Technology : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No
September 19, 2004 4:33:14 AM

Hey

My systems specs are:

Motherboard: Asus A7V600
CPU: AMD AthlonXP 2500+ (Clocked to 3200+)"2.2Ghz"
RAM:1Gig of Crucial (2x512MB)
Hard Drive: Maxtor 120Gig Sata HD (8MB Cache)
Video Card: Sapphire 9800pro 128MB
Sound Card: SB Audgiy LS

My 3DMark2001SE Score is: 13267
and my 3DMark2003 is: 5597

I'm not sure how much preformance differnce or if there is any between a clocked 2500+ to 3200+ campared to a Stock one but i would say that your score is good considering we almost have the same system setup besides the RAM.

Chemical
September 19, 2004 5:03:59 AM

Your 3dmark01 results seem to be a bit low. My system, which is pretty much the same besides the processor, but a a64 2800+ is suppost to be comparable to xp 3200+, got 17780 3dmarks with everything at stock.
3dmark01 is very cpu dependent, but the difference shouldn't be that big.

Watch out for the <b><font color=red>bloody</font color=red></b> Fanboys!

AMD64 2800+ :: MSI Neo-Fis2r :: 512mb Kingmax ddr400 :: Sapphire 9800pro 128mb :: 10K WD Raptor

Addicted, finally.
September 19, 2004 6:07:49 AM

Quote:
My Benchmark Results:
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2365MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2193MB/s

Hi there, first, I have no idea what's that 144MHz there..
2nd, your memory seems to be running <b>very</b> slow

I don't know if you did install VIA 4in1 Hyperion driver..if u didn't, it's a good point to start, and when you are running benchmark, make sure that you don't have many programs opened at same time
September 19, 2004 1:54:46 PM

<i>Errors have been highlighted in <font color=red>Red</font color=red>, corrections in <b>Bold</b> text.</i>

@ ahardy668 :

Meh, stupid me, completely missed that you have only one stick of memory in there <b>and that the KT600 is a single channel chipset</b>.

The reference KT600 memory bandwidth benchie in SANDRA is based on <font color=red>Dual Channel operation which will require a 2nd 512MB stick, idealy from the same manufacturer if you want to avoid timming problems.</font color=red>

<b>KT600 is Single Channel, SANDRA benchies are a "best case scenario" that combine the ideal timmings, BIOS settings, drivers and a "minimalistic" Windows install</b>

Right now, your motherboard is operating in Single Channel mode and will keep running that way until <font color=red>you pop one more 512MB stick in there.</font color=red> <b>... until you change your motherboard.</b> There is no way to enable Dual Channel operation with only one module installed.

As for the "unknown DMI memory device", I don't have the slightest clue on what it is...



Mobile Barton 2500+ @ 2.5GHz (200MHz x12)
Abit NF7-S V2.0
2x 512MB of Samsung TCC4
Sapphire Radeon 9700 128MB @ 360/310
2x Maxtor 40GB 7200RPM RAID-0<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by SidVicious on 09/19/04 01:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 19, 2004 2:05:00 PM

I'm sorry to not be able to agree with you...but..
KT600 is a <b>SINGLE CHANNEL</b> designed chipset, and you have to know that 3200+'s bandwidth is only 3.2GB..which is same speed as the DDR400. The Dual Channel does NOT help that MUCH to increase the memory bandwidth in this case
So sth is wrong somewhere else, and not dual channel operation which does not exist at all here
September 19, 2004 3:52:10 PM

Yes I installed the latest VIA Drivers a couple of days ago. I also went into the BIOS last night and fooled around with some of the memory settings and managed to improve a little bit.

Old Bench:

RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2365MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2193MB/s

New Bench:

RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2542MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2318MB/s

My 3dMark scores remained virtually unchanged as did my CPU benches in Sandra. However, I now get 43FPS in Doom 3 timedemo, an improvement of 6FPS!!

I just wish I had an Nforce MB to try just to see if my benchmarks would be different. What would be a good Nforce board to try? (must have Firewire) Or do you think this would be a waste of time/money?
September 19, 2004 4:53:17 PM

Nights_L :

TY for pointing that out, had a foot in my mouth on this one, KT880 is the Dual Channel chipset, KT600 is Single Channel.

Sorry 'bout that...





Mobile Barton 2500+ @ 2.5GHz (200MHz x12)
Abit NF7-S V2.0
2x 512MB of Samsung TCC4
Sapphire Radeon 9700 128MB @ 360/310
2x Maxtor 40GB 7200RPM RAID-0
September 19, 2004 10:53:29 PM

I would just try everything i can before switch motherboard, VIA KT600 is not that bad, nForce2 won't give you a very big performance boost..I wouldn't buy a new video card at this moment, as Socket A is kinda old
September 20, 2004 12:26:04 AM

I think I may have squeezed everything out of this rig while trying to keep everything at stock speeds. My only concern is really with the low CPU benchmarks.

I wish there was someone out there running an identical setup as mine to the letter so I could have something real-world to compare it to.

Anyone??
September 20, 2004 1:13:14 AM

I mean a "new motherboard"..correction for last post

ok, the problem here seems to have sth to do with ur memory, may i ask if you have CPU interface sets to: Turbo, Aggressive, or Optimal?
I remember that they have these 3 options on Gigabyte's mobo
September 20, 2004 1:14:50 AM

Blah..everyone makes mistakes, just pointing out my mistake when I make it :wink:
September 20, 2004 4:13:36 AM

They are Failsafe, Optimal and Top Performance. Or something like that.

Anyway I have mine set on Optimal because if I try Top Performance my computer is not stable. It will load to Windows but will crash after about 5 minutes.
September 20, 2004 5:18:07 AM

You know what? You got me to thinking about those settings again and I figured wth, since I've changed my memory settings and that helped I'll just go back and try that Top Performance setting in the bios again.

Well it seems to be stable now! At least for the time being.
Here's some bench comparisons from the old settings to the new.

<b>Old memory settings and Optimal Performance loaded:</b>
3dMark 01 SE - 14875
3dMark 03 - 5726
My CPU Score for 3dMark 03 - 520
Doom3 Timedemo demo1 1024x768 Med Quality - 37 FPS
------------------------------------------------------------

<b>New memory settings and Top Performance loaded:</b>
3dMark 01 SE - 15465 <font color=blue>+590</font color=blue>
3dMark 03 - 5820 <font color=blue>+94</font color=blue>
My CPU Score for 3dMark 03 - 528 <font color=blue>+8</font color=blue>
Doom3 Timedemo demo1 1024x768 Med Quality - 44 FPS <font color=blue>+7 FPS</font color=blue>
------------------------------------------------------------

<b>Old memory settings and Optimal Performance loaded:</b>
Sandra Arithmetic bench
7561 MIPS
2876 MFLOPS

<b>New memory settings and Top Performance loaded:</b>
Sandra Arithmetic bench
7707 MIPS <font color=blue>+146</font color=blue>
2985 MFLOPS <font color=blue>+109</font color=blue>
------------------------------------------------------------

<b>Sandra Memory BW Benchmark Results:</b>

<b>Old memory settings and Optimal Performance loaded:</b>
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2365MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2193MB/s

<b>New memory settings and Top Performance loaded:</b>
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2642MB/s <font color=blue>+277</font color=blue>
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd aEMMX/aSSE : 2444MB/s <font color=blue>+251</font color=blue>

Now I'm hoping that it will stay stable for me. I'm going to play Doom3 or Farcry for about an hour and see what happens.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ahardy668 on 09/20/04 01:20 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 20, 2004 8:42:50 PM

good job, keep on the tweaking, try those hidding BIOS option, you should be able to push ur system more :wink:
!