Shop Jobs = Price Increase

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Why does a "shop job" command a drastic increase in price? I see many
pins on mr pinball that have notations that say price increases $x when
shopped out, some as high as $600. Why?? I mean i understand a
thorough restoration will command some dollars, but changing out some
bulbs & rubbers and cleaning some parts? I dont know, I always thought
the overall condition of the game (condition ofplayfield & boards,
ect...) should command the dollars, not if the playfield got wiped with
some novus or not...
 
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I guess it really depends on the shop job.

I fear timing when I do mine. My shop jobs are usually:

Everything off the playfield.

New bulbs...
Not just the burnt out ones, but the PITA ones that are hard to
change. That also includes 47's. Don't want them, don't like them.
IMHO. I also toss 1847's. Also, can you say COIN DOOR? Sheesh.

New rubber, no big deal. I do mean all of it.

New plastic posts, if they are even remotely ugly.

Regrain the ball guides.

Polish visable posts/ramp supports/so on.

Rebuild the flippers. All of it. All of them.

Clean the optos. All of them.

Clean any ramps. All of them. Even under the playfield.

Clean the cabinet. Repaint the front of the head (the right flavor)

Clean out the inside of the cabinet too.

Wax.. yay.

Sure I missed something.

If not, I just cleaned it ;)

Andrew

JKirby wrote:
> Why does a "shop job" command a drastic increase in price? I see many
> pins on mr pinball that have notations that say price increases $x when
> shopped out, some as high as $600. Why?? I mean i understand a
> thorough restoration will command some dollars, but changing out some
> bulbs & rubbers and cleaning some parts? I dont know, I always thought
> the overall condition of the game (condition ofplayfield & boards,
> ect...) should command the dollars, not if the playfield got wiped with
> some novus or not...
 

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I refuse to pay someone to shop out a pin. The job is never to my
liking and I always have to do something. Plus I learn the machine
inside and out by ding it mysekf.
 
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Because people read rgp, see some of the work of a lot of the people here
and the prices their games get. And now it's part of every ad whether it is
a truly good shop job or not. LTG :)

"JKirby" <JKirby74@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Why does a "shop job" command a drastic increase in price? I see many
> pins on mr pinball that have notations that say price increases $x when
> shopped out, some as high as $600. Why?? I mean i understand a
> thorough restoration will command some dollars, but changing out some
> bulbs & rubbers and cleaning some parts? I dont know, I always thought
> the overall condition of the game (condition ofplayfield & boards,
> ect...) should command the dollars, not if the playfield got wiped with
> some novus or not...
>
 
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Obviously, you've never done a "remove everything on the top of the
playfield" shop job on a game like TZ, JD, or CFTBL. If you're going
to do it, and do it right, $600 leaves you about $10/hr after you
subract the cost of the rubber, replacement bulbs, and other "minor"
shop supplies. God forbid if you encounter broken weldments, crack a
ramp, or scratch up the playfield trying to turn out that stuck screw,
because then you're working for free.

Craig



On 29 Aug 2005 19:03:21 -0700, "JKirby" <JKirby74@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why does a "shop job" command a drastic increase in price? I see many
>pins on mr pinball that have notations that say price increases $x when
>shopped out, some as high as $600. Why?? I mean i understand a
>thorough restoration will command some dollars, but changing out some
>bulbs & rubbers and cleaning some parts? I dont know, I always thought
>the overall condition of the game (condition ofplayfield & boards,
>ect...) should command the dollars, not if the playfield got wiped with
>some novus or not...
 
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depends on a shop job. I like to shop them out myself anyway because I
like to "tune" the machine to a very high standard. (Tune in this
sense means that all mechanisms are working perfectly.... not modify)
So that it plays fast - rag over playfield doesn't command $600. It's
probably priced at $600 because they DON'T want to do it and setting a
high price to discourage the buyer asking.

It takes me about 15 minutes to do 2 bulb sockets (clean, sand, flux,
solder base, test). They are the worst part of a "shop" job that I do
(most people would consider this unnecessary, but every machine I've
done this to NEVER has a bulb out unless the bulb burns out) as it
burns the fingers horribly.

I spent about 1.5 hours last night rebuilding 2 sling mechs on a medusa
- of course part of that was spent looking for the missing wavy washers
in my parts piles, part was cleaning the WD40 off the plungers, part
was filling the holes in the PF that were oversized and through from a
3" wood screw that was holding one in......

all this in the quest for a fast playing game..... for instance I will
skip any kind of artwork repainting and might not even replace the
mismatched target. I will skip scrubbing the cabinet.
 
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>So THANK YOU for understanding *and* sharing the experience of what goes on.
>If more people really knew and understood what it takes to make a pin
>reliable and to look, play, and work like new again, I think it would be a
>much better hobby and/or business!

Amen, brother.

How much would you charge someone to do the shop job YOU want on their
game? I don't think I would touch a total tear down for less than
$400-500 anymore....that is still only 10-12 bucks an hour.

Kirb
 
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Rags and Windex cost big bucks...

Fred
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JKirby wrote:
> Why does a "shop job" command a drastic increase in price?
 
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It's nice to not only hear about good thorough work like this being done on
a pin, but to occasionally see & hear that people really realize what kind
of time and effort has to go into it. We get so many "uneducated" pin
buyers that come through our showroom and only look at the price tag on a
game- never asking about, seeing, or noticing any of the work that's gone
into the game to bring it back to top condition- all of which justifies the
higher value that the game carries. And these are games that get anything
from 40 to over 100 hours of work invested in them.

So THANK YOU for understanding *and* sharing the experience of what goes on.
If more people really knew and understood what it takes to make a pin
reliable and to look, play, and work like new again, I think it would be a
much better hobby and/or business!

Even my wife who I've known for about 6+ years now- still doesn't understand
it. "You guys can have that game done in what- a week or so? That's no
problem." Well, sure, it's 40-80 hours which I personally typically squeeze
in in a week anyway but have to spread all that time out between fixing
other people's games- in the shop and out on service calls, filling &
shipping parts orders, answering the phone & making return calls, reordering
and replenishing parts inventories, playing salesman, accountant, and even
janitor. So we might have that game done in 2-3 weeks if we're lucky... ;)

Ray J.
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Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
Salt Lake City, Utah USA
Web: www.actionpinball.com

We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!



<seymour-shabow@excite.com> wrote in message
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> depends on a shop job. I like to shop them out myself anyway because I
> like to "tune" the machine to a very high standard. (Tune in this
> sense means that all mechanisms are working perfectly.... not modify)
> So that it plays fast - rag over playfield doesn't command $600. It's
> probably priced at $600 because they DON'T want to do it and setting a
> high price to discourage the buyer asking.
>
> It takes me about 15 minutes to do 2 bulb sockets (clean, sand, flux,
> solder base, test). They are the worst part of a "shop" job that I do
> (most people would consider this unnecessary, but every machine I've
> done this to NEVER has a bulb out unless the bulb burns out) as it
> burns the fingers horribly.
>
> I spent about 1.5 hours last night rebuilding 2 sling mechs on a medusa
> - of course part of that was spent looking for the missing wavy washers
> in my parts piles, part was cleaning the WD40 off the plungers, part
> was filling the holes in the PF that were oversized and through from a
> 3" wood screw that was holding one in......
>
> all this in the quest for a fast playing game..... for instance I will
> skip any kind of artwork repainting and might not even replace the
> mismatched target. I will skip scrubbing the cabinet.
>