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You guys just watch, I got real bad feelings about 2006.
If WWIII happens, it won't last long at all. It'll all be over in less than 48 hours.

I guess all we can do is sit and wait, but I warn you guys, 2006 will be the start of a sad year. I say sad because WWIII will be population control just like all other wars. I predict anywhere from 3/5-4/5 of the population will be anihalated.

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You're assuming the Chinese are stupid enough to launch nukes first.

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yes

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No, I'm not assuming anything as far as who will start the war and how.

Though, I will put my life on it that peace will arise from the Americas.

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The answer is yes, an aircraft battle group can withstand a massive amount of fighters and missiles at once. They have these automated turrets that fire an obscene amount of bullets at once basically creating a spherical shell around them. That's just one of their defenses.

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I just looked it up and China's airforce consists of 3,500 aircraft most from the 1950's. They have 120 modern jets bought from Russia and they are upgrading others over the next couple years.

I don't think they would stand a chance.

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Thars gotta be more than that, 76 planes verses 3500? heh heh

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No, those 76 planes against 120 would be a slaughter. China then has about 1000 fighter planes from the 50's and 60's as their backup. That 3500 figure will include support aircraft as well as fighter aircraft. Someone else can look up how many basic fighter jets we have but I don't really think China is a match.

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<A HREF="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3099.htm" target="_new"> North Korea's War Strategy of Massive Retaliations against US Attacks </A>

1. North Korea Can Engage the US in Total War

North Korea is one of the few nations that can engage in a total war with the United States. The US war planners recognize this fact. For example, on March 7, 2000, Gen. Thomas A Schwartz, the US commander in Korea at the time, testified at a US congressional hearing that "North Korea is the country most likely to involve the United States in a large-scale war."

2. North Korea's Massive Retaliation Strategy
North Korea's war plan in case of an US attack is total war, not the 'low-intensity limited warfare' or 'regional conflict' talked about among the Western analysts. North Korea will mount a total war if attacked by the US. There are three aspects to this war plan.

3. North Korea's Military Capability
All nations keep their military capability secret. North Korea is no exception and it is not easy to assess North Korea's military power. The US claims that it knows North Korea's military secrets. The United States collects intelligence on North Korea using a variety of means: American U-2, RC-135, EP-3 and other high-altitude spy planes watch over North Korea 24 hours 7 days a week. The US 5th Air Reconnaissance Squadron has U-2R, U-2S, and other advanced spy planes at the Ohsan airbase in South Korea. In addition, the US has 70 KH-11 spy satellites hovering over North Korea.

In spite of such a massive deployment of intelligence collection assets, the US intelligence on North Korea is faulty at best. Donald Gregg, a former US ambassador to Seoul and a 30-year CIA veteran, has admitted that the US intelligence on North Korea has been the longest lasting story of failure in the annals of US intelligence. Gregg said that even the best spy gadget in the US arsenal cannot read what's on Kim Jong Il's mind. US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that North Korea uses underground optical fibers for military communication and that it is nearly impossible to plant human agents in North Korea.

Although North Korea's military secrets are impervious to US spy operations, one can draw some general pictures from information available in the public domain.

a) North Korea makes its own weapons

North Korea has annual production capacity for 200,000 AK automatic guns, 3,000 heavy guns, 200 battle tanks, 400 armored cars and amphibious crafts. North Korea makes its own submarines, landing drafts, high-speed missile-boats, and other types of warships. Home-made weaponry makes it possible for North Korea to maintain a large military force on a shoestring budget. North Korea defense industry is made of three groups: weapon production, production of military supplies, and military-civilian dual-use product manufacturing.

b) North Korea has its own war plans

North Korea is mountainous and its coasts are long and jagged. The Korean peninsula is narrow on its waste. North Korea's weapons and war tactics are germane to Korea's unique geography. North Korea has developed its own war plans unique to fighting the US in a unique way. North Korea's military is organized into several independent, totally integrated and self-sufficient fighting units, that are ready for action at any time.

c) North Korean soldiers are well indoctrinated

The US commanders admit that North Korean soldiers are highly motivated and loyal to Kim Jong Il, and that they will fight well in case of war. Karl von Clausewitz said that people's support for war, military commanders' ability and power, and the political leadership are the three essentials for winning war. He failed to include the political indoctrination of the soldiers, which is perhaps more important than the other factors cited.

During the Iraq War just ended, the main cause of Iraq's defeat was the low moral of its soldiers. Iraqi soldiers had no will to stand and fight, and they ran away or surrendered without fight. Iraqi soldiers believed in Allah protecting them and became easy preys to the US military. North Korean soldiers are taught to fight to the bitter end. In September 1996, a North Korean submarine got stranded at Kangrung, South Korea, and its crew abandoned the ship. Eleven of the crew committed suicide and the rest fought to the last man except one who was captured. In June 1998, another submarine got caught in fishing nets at Sokcho and its crew killed themselves. Such is the fighting spirit of North Korean soldiers.

d) North Koreans are combat ready

One cannot fight war without military preparedness. North Korea's regular army is for offensive actions whereas its militias are homeland defense. North Korea's regular army consists of 4 corps in the front area, 8 corps in the rear area, one tank corps, 5 armored corps, 2 artillery corps, and 1 corps for the defense of Pyongyang, South Korea has 19 infantry divisions whereas North Korea has 80 divisions and brigades.

A North Korean infantry division has 3 infantry regiments, 1 artillery regiment (3 battalions of 122 mm rocket launchers and 1 battalion of 152 mortars), one tank battalion of 31 tanks, one anti-tank battalion, one anti-aircraft battalion, one engineer battalion, one communication battalion, one light-infantry battalion, one recon battalion, and one chemical warfare battalion.

North Korea's militias consist of 1.6 million self-defense units, 100,000 people's guards, 3.9 million workers militia, 900,000 youth guard units. These militias are tasked to defend the homeland. The militias are fully armed and undergo military trainings regularly.

f. Electronic Warfare

The United States excels in electronic warfare and no nation comes anywhere near the US capability. North Korea began developing its own electronic warfare methods in 1970. It is believed that North Korea has advanced electronic warfare ability. It has numerous counter measures for US electronic warfare. During the recent war in Iraq, the US dropped e-bombs that disabled the Iraqi electronic devices. North Korea relies heavily on non-electronic command and control means, and hence US e-bombs will have limited impacts in North Korea.

North Korea trains about 100 hackers a year and has computer virus battalions in place. These hackers are capable of interrupting US communication networks. In a war game conducted in 1991 by US war planners, North Korea came out the victor with and without nuclear weapons. Kim Jong Il has no doubt that his army can beat the US army.

6. US Military Defeats in the Past
Military power dictates the outcome of war. In assessing the next war in Korea, the military power of the opponents must be examined objectively. Until now, North Korea's military power has not been properly studied. In general, Western experts tend to underestimate North Korea's military strength. Politicians in America and South Korea play down North Korean threats for political reasons.

It has been said that North Korean army is large in numbers but their equipment are obsolete, and hence it is a weak army. The US war planners assess North Korean army using computer simulations of war in Korea. US war plan for the recent Iraq war was refined using more than 40 computer-simulated wars in Iraq. The computer simulation models use weapon system features among other factors to determine the outcome.

It is true that the advanced weapons were instrumental in the US victory in the Gulf War, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq. On the other hand, the US army was defeated by ill-equipped foes in Korea and Vietnam. The latter two wars show that superior weapons do not always lead to a victory. North Korean and Chinese forces in Korea and the Vietnamese forces fought with superior tactics and stronger fighting fighting spirits.

In the next war in Korea, the US army will face an enemy much more determined and better equipped than the army in the Korean War of 1950-53.





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U.S. Nuclear Stockpiles Study
50 Facts About U.S. Nuclear Weapons

1. Cost of the Manhattan Project (through August 1945): $20,000,000,000

2. Total number of U.S. nuclear missiles built, 1951-present: 67,500

3. Estimated construction costs for more than 1,000 ICBM launch pads and silos, and support facilities, from 1957-1964: nearly $14,000,000,000

4. Total number of nuclear bombers built, 1945-present: 4,680

5. Peak number of nuclear warheads and bombs in the stockpile/year: 32,193/1966

6. Total number and types of nuclear warheads and bombs built, 1945-1990: more than 70,000/65 types

7. Number currently in the stockpile (2002): 10,600 (7,982 deployed, 2,700 hedge/contingency stockpile)

8. Number of nuclear warheads requested by the Army in 1956 and 1957: 151,000

9. Projected operational U.S. strategic nuclear warheads and bombs after full enactment of the Strategic Offensive
Reductions Treaty in 2012: 1,700-2,200

10. Additional strategic and non-strategic warheads not limited by the treaty that the U.S. military wants to retain as a "hedge" against unforeseen future threats: 4,900

11. Largest and smallest nuclear bombs ever deployed: B17/B24 (~42,000 lbs., 10-15 megatons); W54 (51 lbs., .01 kilotons, .02 kilotons-1 kiloton)

12. Peak number of operating domestic uranium mines (1955): 925

13. Fissile material produced: 104 metric tons of
plutonium and 994 metric tons of highly-enriched
uranium

15. Number of thermometers which could be filled with mercury used to produce lithium-6 at the Oak Ridge Reservation: 11 billion

16. Number of dismantled plutonium "pits" stored at the Pantex Plant in Amarillo, Texas: 12,067 (as of May 6, 1999)

17. States with the largest number of nuclear weapons (in 1999): New Mexico (2,450), Georgia (2,000), Washington (1,685),
Nevada (1,350), and North Dakota (1,140)

18. Total known land area occupied by U.S. nuclear weapons bases and facilities: 15,654 square miles

19. Total land area of the District of Columbia, Massachusetts, and New Jersey: 15,357 square miles

20. Legal fees paid by the Department of Energy to fight lawsuits from workers and private citizens concerning nuclear
weapons production and testing activities, from October 1990 through March 1995: $97,000,000

21. Money paid by the State Department to Japan following fallout from the 1954 "Bravo" test: $15,300,000

22. Money and non-monetary compensation paid by the the United States to Marshallese Islanders since 1956 to redress damages from nuclear testing: at least $759,000,000

23. Money paid to U.S. citizens under the Radiation Exposure and Compensation Act of 1990, as of January 13, 1998: approximately $225,000,000 (6,336 claims approved; 3,156 denied)

24. Total cost of the Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion (ANP) program, 1946-1961: $7,000,000,000

25. Total number of nuclear-powered aircraft and airplane hangars built: 0 and 1

26. Number of secret Presidential Emergency Facilities built for use during and after a nuclear war: more than 75

27. Currency stored until 1988 by the Federal Reserve at its Mount Pony facility for use after a nuclear war: more than $2,000,000,000

28. Amount of silver in tons once used at the Oak Ridge, TN, Y-12 Plant for electrical magnet coils: 14,700

29. Total number of U.S. nuclear weapons tests, 1945-1992: 1,030 (1,125 nuclear devices detonated; 24 additional joint tests with Great Britain)

31. Estimated amount spent between October 1, 1992 and October 1, 1995 on nuclear testing activities: $1,200,000,000 (0 tests)

32. Cost of 1946 Operation Crossroads weapons tests ("Able" and "Baker" ) at Bikini Atoll: $1,300,000,000

34. Number of islands in Enewetak atoll vaporized
by the November 1, 1952 "Mike" H-bomb test: 1

35. Number of nuclear tests in the Pacific: 106

36. Number of U.S. nuclear tests in Nevada: 911

37. Number of nuclear weapons tests in Alaska [1, 2, and 3], Colorado [1 and 2], Mississippi and New Mexico [1, 2 and 3]: 10

38. Operational naval nuclear propulsion reactors vs. operational commercial power reactors (in 1999): 129 vs. 108

39. Number of attack (SSN) and ballistic missile (SSBN) submarines (2002): 53 SSNs and 18 SSBNs

40. Number of high level radioactive waste tanks in Washington, Idaho and South Carolina: 239

41. Volume in cubic meters of radioactive waste resulting from weapons activities: 104,000,000

42. Number of designated targets for U.S. weapons in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP) in 1976, 1986, and 1995: 25,000 (1976), 16,000 (1986) and 2,500 (1995)

43. Cost of January 17, 1966 nuclear weapons accident over Palomares, Spain (including two lost planes, an extended search and recovery effort, waste disposal in the U.S. and settlement claims): $182,000,000

44. Number of U.S. nuclear bombs lost in accidents and never recovered: 11

45. Number of Department of Energy federal employees (in 1996): 18,608

46. Number of Department of Energy contractor employees (in 1996): 109,242

47. Minimum number of classified pages estimated to be in the Department of Energy's possession (1995): 280 million

48. Ballistic missile defense spending in 1965 vs. 1995: $2,200,000,000 vs. $2,600,000,000

49. Average cost per warhead to the U.S. to help Kazakhstan dismantle 104 SS-18 ICBMs carrying more than 1,000 warheads: $70,000

50. Estimated 1998 spending on all U.S. nuclear weapons and weapons-related programs: $35,100,000,000


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It's expensive being the most powerfull nation and not wanting to give that title up.

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Now say that's a tasty burger and shoot the college kids...

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Yes, but Kim Jong is a nut bag, another words a loose cannon. And all it would take is a few short range missles lobbed at where-ever he could reach just to instigate an attack, even on them.... And being that close to China, if someone attacked back with Nuclear, would probably drag China in to lob some Nukes back... Then another country...and another...

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I find it funny how well the U.S. has its citizens underestimating other countries. The media is to be blamed for the most part.

If anyone here thinks having more nukes determines the outcome of another world war, I would like to challenge that person to a discussion about just that.


What country is there that can live independently for a long period of time? Might as well invade Africa or China, I would say. Using nukes is like screwing ourselves on a global scale. The aftereffects of an H bomb will leave huge parts of land useless and its people paralyzed. Now keep in mind where we live today; mostly around water and/or other parts of land which are rich in minerals or other useful elements. Think about the radiation afterwards. It would only take a few nukes to the U.S. to leave it hurting real bad just as it would any other country.

Just think about the devastation of a couple H bombs in Texas. Not a lot would dare to nuke Alaska, but there are those few nut jobs out there. Bottom line; I doubt nuclear power will be much of a determining factor because of the simple fact that we know earth will not tolerate it and back fire. I’m sure many of the 1st world countries will back off the nukes as they are more educated and more level headed. The countries that scare me are the ones like Pakistan, Iran or the ones with a psycho for a leader.

So in the end, we might see some nuke fireworks but nothing that I would imagine to come close to even 30 percent of the available nukes at present, nothing large scale.

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DOOD, that’s right on! Keyword: "you have pretty much destroyed much of what you were trying to protect".

The aftereffects are countless. Another one that comes to mind is the poor Australians. Their country is like a bowl; with its beaches being the high lands... it seems to me their biggest enemy might be the ocean.

I believe a lot of these nukes will be used for research in aerospace science once the dust has settled.

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There are cars on the horizon that are hybrids and do 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Technology is improving but nonetheless expect a crisis in the next 5 years. The combustion engine is not efficient enough and despite what crashman thinks the world requires something that uses another fuel.

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No no. You have it all wrong. You missed it above.

China has a total of about 3500 planes. The USA has a total of about 3700 planes. That's all planes though. That's support, logistics, transport, bombers, fighters, etc.

As far as fighter planes the USA has a huge advantage. China has 120 modern fighters and 1000 outdated fighters from the 50's and 60's.

The USA has 1000's of modern fighters.

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If I'm not mistaken China still counts its WWII era planes that it has left as part of its military.

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How do you figure that Taiwan is part of China and that Hawaii wants to withdraw from the union?

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China has considered Taiwan theirs from "at least" 1949 when they (they previous government of China) fled from the communist revolution in "mainland China.

That's according to China. China has absolutely nothing in Taiwan though. The USA didn't really recognize China until the end of 1971.

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u forgot the f22's

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just making a lame response sorry just got in.

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i dont celebrate easter actually.

nah i drove back from auburn today, had a blow out and hand to friggin walk in the biggest downpour i have seen in awhile(including some hail)

other than that nothing.

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