Athlon 64 3300+

[TheRod]

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18925" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18925</A>

Quite interesting an Athlon 64 with only 256K of cache and clocked at 2.4GHz. They probably are the "best-binned" Sempron with 64bit enabled.

Will we ever see this A64 3300+ in stores???

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[pauldh]

Weird, it's a 256K cache 3400+. And also a S939 3400+ with 800 HT? I never expected to see either of those.


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[Mephistopheles]

They must be having trouble with yields or meeting demands. This way, every single die must be used, no matter what, so even those with faulty cache banks (256KB memory) models have to be used, if they can be clocked significantly. It looks like a cannibalization of resources to meet demand.

Granted, because A64 spanks Intel's ass right now, AMD will have to cope with an increased demand many times bigger than what they're used to.

 

[TheRod]

This CPU looks like a "repackaged-boosted" Sempron with AMD64 enabled. If the yields is "too good" for Paris, AMD will probably start pushing these 256K Athlon 64 to the market. In the future they will call them "Sempron 64", but as long as the 32bit market will be alive, AMD will continue to offer castrated A64 as Sempron!

If the Athlon 63 3300+ get to market, it will be renamed to "Sempron 64 4000+" or something like that in the future, when AMD will push Sempron to the S939 platform!

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[TheRod]

I agree that yields might be low on 512K or 1024K cores, but what about good yields with 256K, I mean too much Sempron 3100+. It's a good idea from AMD to convert some of those to Athlon 64 by anabling AMD64 instructions.

My "ecologist" mind really like that idea of using as much core as possible. It's better for business and ecology to use as much core as possible. These core will turn into profits and since A64 architecture is less cache dependant, a high-speed CPU with low can stand against the "competition".

The Intel P4 architecture is too much cache dependant to make defective core competitive in the mid-end market, these cores are labelled Celeron.

Well, I hope to see some benchmarks of these A64 3300+ soon, to see how well they stand. I do really think they could be very interesting because they run at 2.4GHz and with a small cache, they could be quite good overclockers! Will see...

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[endyen]

I do really think they could be very interesting because they run at 2.4GHz and with a small cache, they could be quite good overclockers! Will see...

Makes me wonder if they are a "specialty chip" for someone like Alienware. There is also the chance that it's just gossip.

 

[Spitfire_x86]

This "A64 3300+" should be at least equal to 3500+, if doesn't outperform it.

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[TheRod]

Makes me wonder if they are a "specialty chip" for someone like Alienware.

Maybe! It's probably a CHIP made for the emarging markets (China, India, South America, etc...). We have seen a lot of "weird" products in the months. I think of Radeon 9550, Sempron 3000+, GeForce 6800LE and now the A64 3300+.

I do really think that this kind of products will become common in a near future. All high-tech company must adapt if they want to sell in new markets. India and China is a 2 billion people market, so every company mut be ready to feed them and the best way to feed them is to make sure every you make is usable to throw them tons of stuff!

And we must not forget that in these country high-end products are out of reach (they cost too much), so low-range and mid-range are the top sellers and AMD (and others) wants to make profits with their products!

As long AMD respect it's rating system, because honestly it's starts to be a bit confusing (cache size, core speed, socket...) for the average customer. The rating system helps and simplify the buying decision.

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[wschuerm]

show me where intels ass gets kicked because im wondering what to buy. I will overclock and I want to see a comparison af a prescoot at 4ghz and an amd64 at 2,5ghz. I think the intell will be better, an FX winning beches isn't exactly what i need "nobody" spends 800€ on a CPU.

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[Ned_Flanders]

see a comparison af a prescoot at 4ghz and an amd64 at 2,5ghz

At what?

You don't understand, AMD chips in general are better than Intel chips at Gaming, whereas Intel is the better chip for Video /Audio Encoding.

What are you going to be doing with your computer?

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[TheRod]

Have you read this :
<A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040419/index.html" target="_new">http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040419/index.html</A>

Of course, it's not Prescott vs A64, but it gives a good idea of AMD vs Intel in overclocking. I personnaly think THG should update this article with the newest Prescott vs the Athlon 64 4000+ or FX-55. This would be great!

And like the other guy said, what will you do with your PC? If your PC is meant to be played, go AMD, not Intel!

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[wschuerm]

well I know at stock speeds that AMD is definetly the better CPU for gaming. What im talking about is overclocked and not a EE or FX cause I will not pay that kind of mony. As for me I'll be doing gaming and encoding and lots of excel. So intel is the way for me I guess but still I find the 3500+ interresting so im gonna dig a little deeper.

My choice will either be

Intel P IV 3.2 on a P4C800E deluxe
AMD 3500+ on an MSI NEO2 platinum

The intel will probably oc to 4ghz and the amd maybe to 2,5 that I dont really know caus i think amd's production process in't very good. Just look at the different cpu variantions they are pumping out. Sometimes more cache sometimes more speed...

Things to consider are the fact that the AMD leaves me with an upgradepath (or i hope) maybe the board will even support dual cores. As for socket 478 I won't be able to get other cpu's for that board. The thing is that I only very recently bought 1gb of corsair pc4000 and I plan to keep that memory...

Any thoughts anyone?

SL6EF OC's GOOD<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by wschuerm on 10/07/04 01:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[coylter]

What kind of cooling do you have. I would not bet on the p4 going 4ghz on stock cooling...

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[wschuerm]

I 've got a great watercooling. Innovetak XXL cpu block and a gpu block from innovatek on my radeon 9800 pro. All that on a Black Ice extreme II radiator with 2 120mm fans. So I think heat removal will not be to much of a problem. to switch to amd i just need another retention mechanism. Switching to the 3500+ solution would set me back 520€ to intel would be 410€.

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[trooper11]

well you oculd get a 90nm 3200+ on s939 instead of that 3500+ and then the prices are qual or in favor of amd.

regarding overclocking, you can hit much more then 2.5ghz. you should check out xtreme systems or overclockers forum, ppl there have been hitting 2.7-2.9 ghz with water set ups. if you get the right ram and board, you have a good chance of getting there as well. btw, that 2.7 im talking about using a 3200+ from s754, a 3500+ probably more likely to hit the upper 2.9 range.