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October 22, 2004 7:41:53 PM

The Newegg Wish list. I have put in two Heat sinks and two powers supplies, for extra comments about them. I was also wondering about the epox motherboard.

SILVERSTONE TEMJIN Series Silver ATX Full Tower Case with Wind Tunnel, Model "SST-TJ06-S" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Case Type: Full Tower
Color: Silver
Material: Aluminum front panel, 0.8mm SECC body
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 5/0, 3.5" x 2/6 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 4 x USB2.0, 1 x IEEE1394, 2 x Audio
Power Supply: N/A
Cooling System: 1 x 80mm front fan, 1 x 120mm front fan, 1 x 120mm rear fan
Motherboard Compatibility: Extended ATX, ATX, Micro ATX
Dimensions: 8.1" x 22.3" x 18.7"(WxHxD)
Features: Dual 120mm cooling fans with wind tunnel technology, Unique three-section cooling compartments more info-> N82E16811163032
$136.00


Thermaltake UFO#1 GREEN UV 90mm Cooling Fan, 80 to 90mm fan adapter included, Model "UFO#1 GREEN UV" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Compatibility: CPU Heat sink
Dimensions: 90x90x38mm
Bearing Type: 2 Ball
Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300±20% RPM at 20°C, 3600±10% RPM at 55°C
Max Air Flow(CFM): 26.8 / 81.2 CFM
Max Pressure: 1.5 / 7.8 mm-H2O
Rated Voltage: 12V
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 17 dBA at 1300RPM, 47 dBA at 3600RPM
Special Features: Smart UFO Fan (3 functions in 1) :
1. Full speed when jumper on
2. Temperature control : Fan speed varies according to the temp detected by the sensor
3. Manual control : Adjust fan speed manually more info-> N82E16811999132
$13.99


MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64FX/64 processor
Chipset: nForce3 ULTRA
RAM: 4x DIMM Supports dual channel DDR266/333/400 Max 4GB
Slots: 1x AGP 4X/8X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2x PS/2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 8x USB2.0(Rear 4), 1x IEEE1394, 2xRJ45, 1x S/PDIF Out, Audio Ports
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
SATA/RAID: 4x SATA RAID with 0,1,0+1
Onboard Audio: ALC850 8-Ch
Onboard LAN: Marvell 88E1111 1000Mbps, Realtek 8110S 1000Mbps
Onboard IEEE1394: 3x ports by VIA 6306
Form Factor: ATX more info-> N82E16813130468
$131.00


Antec 550 Watt Power Supply With 2 Fans 5.25 Control Panel, Model "TRUE CONTROL 550W" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 550W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
Hold-up Time: >= 17ms at Full Load
Efficiency: >= 68%
Over Voltage Protection: +5V trip point<+6.5V; +3.3V trip point<+4.1V; +12V trip point<+14.4V
Overload Protection: Latching Protection+5V @<47A+3.3V @<48A+12V @ < 18A
Input Voltage: 115/230 VAC
Input Frequency Range: 47-63 Hz
Input Current: 10A@115VAC; 6A@230VAC
Output: +3.3V@32A; +5V@40A; -5V@0.5A; +12V@24A; -12V@1A; +5VSB@2A
MTBF: 80,000 hrs. @ 25°C
Approvals: UL, TUV, CB, VDE, F more info-> N82E16817103922
$103.50


OCZ PowerStream 520W Power Supply With Adjustable Power Rails With LED Indicators, SATA Connector, Model "OCZ520ADJ" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 520W
PFC: N/A
Input Voltage: 100-120V AC/200-240V AC
Input Frequency Range: 60/50Hz
Input Current: 10/6A
Output: +3.3V@28A, +5V@40A, +12V@33A, -5V@0.5A, -12V@0.5A, +5VSB@2.0A
Approvals: TUV, UL, CSA, CE, CB, FCC
Features: OCZ PowerWhisper Technology, OCZ PowerFlex individually adjustable power rails with LED indicators. OCZ ConnectAll universal connector. (ATX, BTX, SATA, P4 and EPS12V), OCZ PowerShield power leads for VGA and HD. 5 year warranty backed by OCZ's exclusive PowerSwap replacement program. more info-> N82E16817104152
$148.00


AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz, 512KB L2 Cache 939-Pin 64-bit Processor - OEM
Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
Core: Winchester
Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/ 512KB
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 90nm
Socket: Socket 939
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only) more info-> N82E16819103500
$255.00


OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail
Specifications:
Manufacturer: OCZ Technology
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-2-2-5
Support Voltage: 2.75V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime more info-> N82E16820146890
$280.00


Arctic Silver Premium Silver Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound, Model "Arctic Silver 5", 12-gram( 5 cc. ) tube
Specifications:
Thermal Conductance: >350,000W/m2 °C (0.001 inch layer)
Thermal Resistance: <0.0045°C-in2/Watt (0.001 inch layer)
Average Particle Size: <0.49 microns <0.000020 inch
Extended Temperature Limits: Peak: –50°C to >180°C Long-Term: –50°C to 130°C
Performance: 3 to 12 degrees centigrade lower CPU full load core temperatures than standard thermal compounds or thermal pads when measured with a calibrated thermal diode imbedded in the CPU core more info-> N82E16835100008
$12.99


Thermalright Copper Heatsink for both Intel and AMD, Model "SLK948U" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Compatibility: Both AMD Athlon64/ Athlon64 FX and Intel socket 478 compatible
Material: Copper
Dimensions: L3.7" x W2.5" x H1.8"
Weight: 635g (Heat sink only) more info-> N82E16835109114
$39.99


Thermalright Heatsink for P4 & K8 CPUs, Model "XP-90" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Compatibility: AMD: Athlon64 FX 3200+ (socket 939/940)/Athlon64 3200+ (socket 754) and above
Intel: Pentium-4 socket 478 3.2 GHz and above
Material: Aluminum fins with copper base(nickel plated)
Dimensions: 116 x 96 x 96 mm (LxWxH)
Weight: 0.79 lbs(360g) more info-> N82E16835109119
$39.99

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October 22, 2004 11:26:08 PM

I'm backing up 100% for the 520 OCZ psu. And I wouldn't recommend either of those heatsinks for that case. You should buy a heatpipe cooler, such as the Hyper6, or the Thermaltake tower series, or the Silverstone heatsinks, to take full advantage of the windtunnel.
October 22, 2004 11:27:31 PM

And for the board, i'd go with the Gigabyte Nforce3, it's the best board out there for overclockers, but it's priced really high. And don't expect it to go any further than 2.5-2.6Ghz
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October 22, 2004 11:50:56 PM

I'd go with the 600W of power of from a Fortron Source or Sparkle Power "530W" power supply (this power supply has pleanty of reserve capacity). It cost $70-80.

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October 23, 2004 1:13:19 AM

Quote from anandtech's overclockers buyers guide:

Recommendation: Coolermaster CM Stacker (STC-T01)
Price: $174 shipped

Would this one be better than the case I selected?
October 23, 2004 1:18:56 AM

Isn't the XP-90 a heatpipe heatsink? And if I got the Gigabyte board, I could get the XP-120. Isn't the XP-120 supposed to be the best? I get pair that up w/ a 120mm fan that goes at about 100 cfm's and that would be about top of the line air cooling I thought. I also thooght i didnt really need all that much w. athlon 64.
October 23, 2004 1:37:37 AM

What i'm trying to explain is that u must utilize the windtunnel, or you're just wasting that brilliant design. Go to <A HREF="http://www.silverstonetek.com" target="_new">silversone</A>'s home page, and check out the tejmin6, you'll see their demonstration of how to fully utilize this case's wind tunnel. I personally just bought this case and loving it, it's a modder's dream. I've drilled 6 holes already for fans, 3 of them were for the harddrive rack.

I said heatpipe tower design, that's the only way to fully utilize the wind tunnel. I'm not really using it that much since i got watercool, but it still cools the ram and chipset great, and the burning hot mofsets.
October 23, 2004 1:46:28 AM

So how do u think this TJ06 case compares to the one that Anandtech recommended in their buyers guide?
And what is the best, coolest heatsink then, if the XP-120 isn't the best 'cause the wind tunnel helps the others a ton.
October 23, 2004 1:52:10 AM

The Stacker in my personal opinion isn't justified for its cost, it has BTX compatibility, but it's going to take you a good hour to mod it. And the price is just for the case, you gotta buy the crossflow fan, the harddrive racks. Adds up to be quite a bit. I much prefer the tejmin6 case, because of the brilliant design, and low cost, downside would be they could've easily added a few more fanholes, but for people who has a power drill and a jigsaw that isn't a problem. The best heatsink would be the <A HREF="http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt01.htm" target="_new">silverstone heatsink</A> that was designed specifically for this case, put 4 silent 80mm fans onto that monster, and with the windtunnel, you'd be running at very very low temps, in fact probably under ambient temp inside the case when idling.
October 23, 2004 1:55:44 AM

They say that heatsink works w/ P4's does it also work w/ K8's like that Gigabyte board or the MSI board? And how is the Gigabyte better? How much higher overclock or what features?
And thx for your time.
October 23, 2004 2:00:05 AM

Gigabyte's board reached 260FSB with 4xHT, MSI has trouble hitting 220FSB with 4xHT.
October 23, 2004 2:02:12 AM

Oh, so I prob want the Gigabyte one then, are those thermaltake ones better than the hyper6?
October 23, 2004 2:02:32 AM

LOL we should seroiusly stopping writing/posting at same time.

Anyways as for the heatsink, i would prefer the larger fanless version, since the much larger heatsink, for us modders it isn't hard to get a 120mm, 80mm, and a 60mm fan on that beast. It's very easy if you got the proper screws, i've just made one a few days ago.
October 23, 2004 2:03:07 AM

The Hyper6 mounts in a different direction i beleive, but you can give it a shot.
October 23, 2004 2:04:43 AM

Ok, sounds good to have larger, I didnt know it was larger, can u explain more on how to put the fan(s) on? I am actually a 1st time builder, though I know a ton i think. :)  And have watched friends build prob around 5 total. But I really don't know how I would put the fans on
October 23, 2004 2:05:56 AM

Self tapping screws that are about 35-40mm long and about 2-3mm in diameter would do the job fine.
October 23, 2004 2:07:50 AM

And it wouldn't mangle the fins? It would just go right into the fins? Would it be 1 120 mm on each side for a total of 2?
October 23, 2004 2:13:07 AM

It does go into the fins, so what? Doesn't really matter, if you don't feel like doing that then you can always use the good old trusty epoxy, but i much prefer screws. You could use screws and nuts to mount the fans, but you gotta find really long screws for that. I couldn't fit 2x120mm fans on both sides, so i went 1x120mm, 80mm, and 60mm. My friend says it's very quite, well it better damn be since i've used stealth fans on all 3. He doesn't have the tejmin6 so i put so many fans on it. Since you're getting the windtunnel, in my opinion, 1x120mm on the back side sucking air out is more than enough.
October 23, 2004 2:26:55 AM

Should i replace the 120mm fan w/ a higher power one? Such as this one from newegg?

Thermaltake UFO#1 GREEN UV 90mm Cooling Fan, 80 to 90mm fan adapter included, Model "UFO#1 GREEN UV" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Compatibility: CPU Heat sink
Dimensions: 90x90x38mm
Bearing Type: 2 Ball
Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300±20% RPM at 20°C, 3600±10% RPM at 55°C
Max Air Flow(CFM): 26.8 / 81.2 CFM
Max Pressure: 1.5 / 7.8 mm-H2O
Rated Voltage: 12V
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 17 dBA at 1300RPM, 47 dBA at 3600RPM
Special Features: Smart UFO Fan (3 functions in 1) :
1. Full speed when jumper on
2. Temperature control : Fan speed varies according to the temp detected by the sensor
3. Manual control : Adjust fan speed manually more info-> N82E16811999132
$13.99

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October 23, 2004 2:28:03 AM

and then I wouldn't put any fans on that heat pipe cooler, but i guess u are saying that i wouldnt anyway even w/ stock fan.
October 23, 2004 3:03:39 AM

The fan you listed is a 90mm fan, so that wouldn't work you actually need a fan that has the dimensions of 120x120x25:) 

Anyways I personally like a quite system now, i'd much rather keep the stock fans, and stick a vantec stealth or panaflo low fan on the heatsink itself. Anyways that's my recommendation. If noise isn't a concern, then pick up a pair of 120mm Delta, they push nearly 200CFM each, and a good 60dB of noise from 2m distance.
October 23, 2004 3:27:40 AM

That would be too loud. I actually think I want quiet, so I will stick w/ the cases stock fans i guess.
October 23, 2004 3:30:55 AM

I have heard some people say to wait for DFI's 939 board. Would this be nforce4? When will it be out? Will it overclock much better than the Gigibyte? I have a 9800Pro AGP that I don't really want to lose, so i can't really get nforce4. Although i prob would if it was supposed to overclock much higher.
October 23, 2004 3:31:33 AM

If he's overclocking shouldn't he get like... DDR500 Ram from OCZ to give him more headroom?

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1 GB Kingston HyperX PC3200
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WD Raptor 74GB
October 23, 2004 4:56:29 AM

This 3200 memory is reknowed for high clocks, see <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/memory&lt;/A>
In particular:
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2226&p=2..." target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2226&p=2...;/A>
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2235&p=2..." target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2235&p=2...;/A>

This memory comes out on top in both reviews for the athlon 64.
October 23, 2004 5:13:40 AM

Ahh right ram, sry forgot to mention that. I'd go with the corsair PC3200XL.
October 23, 2004 4:06:11 PM

Why that Corsair? Anandtech seemed to like that OCZ stuff best. And is there anything a little cheaper for memory that would be almost as good? $280 is quite a bit just for memory.
October 23, 2004 4:18:38 PM

To be 100% honest with you, when i buy ram, i buy either the best or the worst. I could buy 1G of the best, such as the CorsairXL or the OCZ PC3700EB, or I buy 2G of Samsung generic with some heatspreaders. I chose the 2G samsung generic, since with some luck they'll go up to 230mhz(460DDR) And Personally I think more ram gives more performance than faster ram.
October 23, 2004 5:25:49 PM

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Why that Corsair? Anandtech seemed to like that OCZ stuff best. And is there anything a little cheaper for memory that would be almost as good? $280 is quite a bit just for memory.

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October 23, 2004 5:45:18 PM

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I have heard some people say to wait for DFI's 939 board. Would this be nforce4? When will it be out?

Plan to offer nForce3 939 AGP and nForce4 939 PCI-E. Availability unknown.
October 23, 2004 5:55:29 PM

Actually, from what I read Anandtech game the Crucial Ballistix their editor's choice on both the new Intel and AMD sockets, OCZ came in second. This can also be seen in their high-end buyer's guide.

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October 24, 2004 3:55:07 AM

Scottchen, why would CorsairXL be better than the OCZ 3200 I picked?
October 24, 2004 4:45:29 AM

Just personal preference. The XL gurantees 2-2-2-5 at 200mhz and 2.5-3-3-6 at 250mhz. And because i've had better overall experience with Corsair. Don't get me wrong, OCZ is great, i've owned many OCZ products in the past. Just that in my book OCZ comes just after Corsair. Bah, just ignore me, do whatever you like, both are great ram, if you have the cash for it. But I still stand on my opinion of 2G generic Samsung is better than 1G of either the XL or the OCZ.
October 24, 2004 7:31:53 AM

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Plan to offer nForce3 939 AGP and nForce4 939 PCI-E. <b>Availability unknown.</b>

Just found that the DFI 939 solutions won't be available until after the 1st of the year.
October 25, 2004 4:12:50 AM

Just clarifying, is that January 1st 2005? And could u show me a couple of links for 2 gigs on newegg? And would I want 4 512mb or 2 1gs? Is the mobo maximum 3 or 4?
Thx
October 25, 2004 5:15:28 AM

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Just clarifying, is that January 1st 2005?

Correct. Soon after the 1st day of 2005. Don't want to rush a board out; and, need to deplete supplies of Socket 754 boards.

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And could u show me a couple of links for 2 gigs on newegg? And would I want 4 512mb or 2 1gs?

Current 1GB dimms on the market wouldn't be suitable for overclocking (if memory overclocked). I'd suggest two 512MB dimms.

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Is the mobo maximum 3 or 4?

Would assume that the DFI S939 motherboards would allow for up to 4 memory modules.
October 25, 2004 6:46:35 AM

4x512mb, all s939 boards allows 4 dimms.
October 27, 2004 10:18:35 PM

How come 2 gigs would be faster than 1 gig even though the 1 gig is at a faster speed? What would use that much? Is this 2 years down the road?
October 28, 2004 4:26:52 AM
October 28, 2004 5:27:56 AM

Speed Vs Quantity. Don't argue with me, try any newer applications, especially Doom3, you'll see why i say 2G of generic is better than 1G fast. 1G fast ram gives you more bragging rights since you get higher marks on slightly older benchmarks such as 3dmark03, and Aquamark3. If you live for benchmarks then go 1G high speed, if you live for the real life apps then 2G generic.
October 28, 2004 5:30:35 AM

Honest truth i myself wouldn't get any of those rams u mentioned. Like i said before, i either go for the best ram or more of crappiest ram. Go for the OCZ PC3700EB or Corsair 3200XL if you want the 3dmark03 or Aquamark03 bragging rights. If you want to run any of the newer games on high or ultra quality, get 2G of generic.
October 29, 2004 2:06:02 PM

The ram a the top supports more voltage! That mean anything? OC better?

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October 29, 2004 5:47:45 PM

Does it have SATA ?

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October 29, 2004 8:12:36 PM

All the recent power units I've gotten from them have had SATA power. I haven't gotten the 530's yet myself, so you'll want to check the description or photos on the site you buy from.

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October 29, 2004 10:09:47 PM

But honestly does that really matter? i haven't noticed any problems using the adaptor.
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October 29, 2004 10:50:27 PM

It's just a matter of preference.

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October 30, 2004 2:15:20 AM

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