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November 4, 2004 5:15:56 PM

CPUID Output
Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD Athlon XP
Code name Thoroughbred
Specification AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+
Family/Model/Stepping 681
Extended Family/Model 7/8
Package Socket A
Core Stepping B0
Technology 0.13µ
Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Clock Speed 1666.7 MHz
Clock multiplier x12.5
Front Side Bus Frequency 133.3 MHz
Bus Speed 266.7 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 1666.7 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits

Northbridge VIA KT266/333 rev. 0
Southbridge VIA VT8235 rev. 0
Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Revision 2.0
AGP Transfert Rate 4x
AGP SBA supported, enabled
AGP Aperture 64 MBytes
Memory Type DDR
Memory Size 512 MBytes
Memory Frequency 133.3 MHz (1:1)
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 5


Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Xerox (4343415400000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2100 (133 MHz)
Part number
Manufacturing date Week 80/Year 01

Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 100 133
CAS# 2.0 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3
TRAS# 5 6


what can i do with this system to improve performance with what i have? or should i just get new system?

currently used for Downloading/Games/Media/Storage.

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November 4, 2004 5:23:20 PM

I'd vote for just getting a new system. You could try upgrading, but you'd probably end up replacing almost everything in the system just to upgrade.

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November 4, 2004 5:25:21 PM

darn id new this would happen.... anything to salvage?
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November 4, 2004 5:34:21 PM

so im guessing what i need is:

ASUS "A8V Deluxe" VIA K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU -RETAIL

Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail X 2

AMD Athlon XP 3200+ "Barton", 400MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail

Maxtor Ultra Series Kit 200GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model L01M200, Retail

ATI RADEON 9600XT Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL <---this good inuff? dont wanna spend more then 200 bucks on the sukker..or is ther a NVIDIA board can outperform this on same price range?

what dvd burner is best to include?

what wattage powersupply you think i need? 420 inuff?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mihasya on 11/04/04 02:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 4, 2004 6:12:43 PM

I agree, While you could possibly keep your mobo and upgrade to an XP2800+ or 3000+, you'd have to replace the ram too, a new mobo is under $100 and you get much much better performance and possible future upgradeability. If your old HDD is large enough, you could maybe keep that.

You can't use an XP Barton on a 939 mobo. Get the Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester (or similar speed - be sure it's the 939 socket - there are now 3 sockets for AMD chips and 939 is newest/best). And remember - AMD's speed ratings are confusing - they compare to different models of P4 - Roughly, XP #s compare to P4A/B, 64 #s compare to P4C/E, Sempron to Celeron D - so a 64 3200+ is significantly faster than an XP 3200+ (an XP3200+ is about the speed of a 64 2800+ - roughly).

The nForce3 250 is a better chipset than a VIA K8T800 chipset, so I'd recommend a board based on the nForce3 250.

I have a 9600XT and I like it a lot, but you can get a 9800Pro for about 200 (less usually) and its much faster. Be careful on the 9800pro though, be sure you get one with a 256bit memory interface (128meg of ram is fine though) - the 128bit ones can sneak up on you (because they're cheaper) and slow you down drastically.

For DVD burners Nec 3500A is highly recommended, but there are others that are good as well. A quality 420w should be plenty.

November 4, 2004 6:25:36 PM

I believe that you've got a mobo socket / CPU socket mismatch there, but something like that, yes.

Maybe something like this (raise or lower component value as needed):

AMD Athlon 64 2800+ Socket 754 (retail for heat sink)

ASUS K8V SE Deluxe K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for Socket 754

Corsair Value Select Dual Pack 512MBx2 PC3200 CAS 2.5

Maxtor 200GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive

PowerColor ATI Radeon 9800PRO Video Card 128MB DDR 8X AGP

BenQ 16x DVD-/+RW IDE Drive, 2.4x Dual Layer

Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480

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November 4, 2004 7:20:43 PM

thanks thats great info i will use the recommendation....dohh about the socket switch :D  havent upgraded for about two years so im not to familiar with latest sockets yet :D 

hmmm i believe i will get new harddrive since usually hardrives last 3 years and then go CAPUT!!! im intense user of hardrive i can transfer gigs of data and delete all in one day , lots of compression decompression of data. maybe maxtor is not that good but dont know....thats why warrenty exists i lost 3 maxtors in one year :D <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mihasya on 11/04/04 04:26 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 4, 2004 7:38:09 PM

Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester


Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail X 2

ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL

NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Beige, Model ND-3500A, OEM

this should be ok then
November 4, 2004 8:15:43 PM

Sounds like a nice system. Wish I had money for one like that.

Now for another wrench...

New Graphics interface called PCI-Express (PCIe). AMD mobos for it should be out soon, reportedly late this month. (nForce4 and K8T890 chipsets) As far as performance, it's got 2x or 4x the potential as AGP, but since AGP isn't fully utilized as is (AGP8x isn't any faster than AGP4x in real-world use), PCIe doesn't do anything for you today. Tomorrow it probably will - but it may be a while.

If you wait a little, you can get one of them, and possibly be able to upgrade your video in a year or so. Its still socket 939, but AGP is going by the wayside, there will probably come a time where you can't get a new AGP card. nVidia GF6600 is around 200 and roughly the same performance (bit better here, bit less there) as a 9800pro. 9800pro isn't available in PCIe, and 6600 isn't in AGP (yet).

In my opinion, the decision should be based on: Will you be upgrading a little here, a little there over the next year or so, or will you keep the system as is for a couple years? If you upgrade a piece here & there, then wait for the PCIe, if not, it doesn't matter - buy when you're ready.

November 4, 2004 8:30:23 PM

I'm not sure why people push the 3200+ Windchester. The 3000+ OC's just as well and is much cheaper. I bought <A HREF="" target="_new">this one</A> from Zipzoom. $180 shipped for a retail box with fan.

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November 4, 2004 8:51:20 PM

same as ever i would like to keep system for max 3 years,

previously i had a system that got fried by 350 watt atx which i got from 3 years ago most got fried -AMD 2100 cpu an abit mobo i think it was 266 VIA chipset, 3 hardrives fried.

im just trying to replace the slowest one i have atm.

my good system is

ASUS nForce2 333
512 166 DDR
GF3 500 TD 64 DDR(lasted 3 years still doing good, fan died i put a CPU fan on it hehe)
80 GIG Maxtor 133 ATA IDE

im not in real hurry to buy still saving , just need to turn system every 3 years to latest tech im getting jelouse of the current performance compared to my best machine plus i want the network gaming funner with my little bro when we battle it out cause the radeon 7500 is piece of crap combined with all the other attibutes of system compared to my best machine..

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mihasya on 11/04/04 05:58 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 4, 2004 8:54:34 PM

hmmm, so your saying no big difference between a 3200+ Windchester and The 3000+ OC's ? im guessing only difference is price.
November 4, 2004 10:06:27 PM

ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL

BAD IDEA!! dont get the 256MB it has very little performance upgrade and it is way more expensive go with the 128MB

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November 5, 2004 2:47:02 PM

thanks for info
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November 5, 2004 6:24:22 PM

Have you considered selling that system?

I mention this because if you decide to upgrade almost everything, but keep a few parts from the old one, you won't have much of a market to sell it.

Selling your old system could help you to recover the cost of the new one. A system like yours would sell bare (no monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, or printer) for a bit over $200 on my local market.

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