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November 12, 2004 3:14:19 PM

Here's an article saying there's a good chance Dell is thinking about using AMD CPUs.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=2...

Microsoft has nixed the Itanium... meaning that servers of the future are going to be running on the X86 architecture.

AMD has a head start and the fact that Dell would even consider AMD implies a lot of things. Intel has some huge advantages over AMD... so for Dell and Microsoft to be headed in AMDs direction means that AMD's 64-bit plans have sold themselves on their own merits.

Now, if only AMD could speed up the process in getting a nice chipset out the door to match their processors without having to wait 6-9 months....

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November 12, 2004 3:23:38 PM

It's a sensible approach - With scotty systems you need to invest much more in making the case provide adequate cooling. When you're shipping thousands of identical units, saving just $1 on each case works out being quite a saving.

If AMD wants more market share, interest from companies like Dell is where they'll get it from.

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November 12, 2004 3:28:55 PM

Dell has always been the center of much contention, and if they resort to such tactics as using AMD in their machines, there would be no way they could ever recover any dignity back.

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November 12, 2004 4:12:50 PM

There will always be "good chance" of using AMD, but they always end up with using Intel.

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November 12, 2004 10:17:05 PM

I think Dell says that all the time to drive down costs of CPU's from Intel.

Dell: Hey lets use AMD stuff I am sure no one will notice.
Intel:Jesus motherf@ck did you read this sh@t on the internet Dell might use AMD processors. Best lower those processor prices again.

Xeon

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November 12, 2004 10:41:30 PM

Has anybody noted a real problem with Opterons, or am I out of the loop? Congratulations will be in order to AMD!

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November 12, 2004 10:51:21 PM

Didn't Dell just say a week ago that they pride themselves on the fact that they are the number one computer dealer and they use only Intel (so therefore there's no need to use AMD)? Interesting...

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November 13, 2004 2:25:42 AM

Actualy this time there is something more to it. I could post links but it seems Dell's hand has been forced here. Dell is growing in all sectors except servers (highend gamming falls under general consummer) So Dell needs to adopt opteron if it wishes to maintain or grow the server segment.

Seems likley dell will adopt opteron and likey the fx for highend gamers. Dell will continue to sell mostly intel stuff as no way could amd supply all dell cpu's, however amd's fab36 is one year away and the just confirmed outsourcing to charter for additional cpu's on their 300mm waffers.

Roumor has it dells new manufacturing plant (or screwdriver shop) is being put together for the new amd servers.

This might cause some pain for dell thus the reluctance to do so in the past. Might remove some of the pricing advantage dell had over hp ibm etc. also will remove the bargining chip they had with intel forcing ever better deals.

We will see but it seems likly dell will adopt and alow the consumer a choice.

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November 13, 2004 3:28:52 AM

Anyone know why the general non-enthusiast public goes apesh*t over Dell systems? Just for one example, if you look on Ebay crappy Dell systems have tons of bids while a lot of really good computers have 0, and probably don't even get any views. At the same time, the people I know who bought Dell do nothing but complain about them and especially about the lack of help from customer service. I guess the public just goes by reputation?
November 13, 2004 6:58:21 PM

Is that <A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041112/earns_dell_6.html" target="_new">so</A>.

Xeon

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November 13, 2004 7:21:07 PM

Above all, Dell must remain competitive in the server market, and Intel is having a hard time matching AMD in the 64-bit X86 market.

Itanium is all but dead... except for niche users doing some heavy number crunching, there's little reason to buy an Itanium box.

The key is the price/performance ratio. IT managers aren't going to continue to pay a premium for an Intel processor. The only reason Dell would consider using AMD processors is if they were scared that they might cease to be competitive with other manufacturers based on price/performance.

20 additional FPS in DOOM 3 might sell a PC in these forums or on Alienware's site, but not to the general PC buyer. People/Companies buy DELL PCs because they are priced right, they have a good reputation, and good support. I wouldn't buy one for myself (I build my own boxes)... but as a consultant, I typically prefer my clients buy a DELL machine as opposed to HP/Compaq or some other whitebox.

The key for Intel is to keep AMD <b>out</b>. If this means dropping their prices and perhaps even losing money in order to keep Dell in their stable, it's probably worth it. Dell probably does this to position themselves and put Intel on alert. Once DELL starts dealing with AMD, they stand a good chance of keeping that relationship.... which is bad news for Intel.
November 13, 2004 7:25:49 PM

BTW, before anybody calls me a fanboy, know that I have both AMD and Intel boxes. I take price/performance and my requirements all into consideration when building machines and buying laptops.

At this point, I've noticed that my stable of PCs is becoming more and more of an AMD farm. I think the most compelling Intel products as of late are the Centrino laptops with extended battery life. Unless I was doing a lot of video editing, I just can't justify an Intel desktop CPU right now.

As for AMD... their biggest weakness is their reliance on other manufacturers to produce their chipsets. Chipsets over the past 2-3 years are much improved... but it always seems to take a while before they become solid.
November 14, 2004 12:04:03 AM

Yes it is <A HREF="http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/11/HNdelltouseam..." target="_new"> so </A> what were you saying by posting your link anyway? I never said dell did not grow they met expectations grew with the industry in all segments except servers a good quarter over all. You have to take that pr stuff with a grain of salt I did listen to there cc and they fully admitted the one area they did not grow like the rest of the industry is servers.

Dell knows win64 is comming very soon and they know opteron will leap frog xeon further with dual core. Right now dell has it pretty good squeezing intel more and more for better pricing by threatning to offer amd to the consumer. So it's a bit of a tuff pill for dell to swollow, offer opteron and maybe intel will remove the advantage dell gets over HP IBM.

Dell is not stupid they won't admitt to offering opteron and fx untill they absolutly have to. Squeeze intel as long as they can.

I never said dell would offer opteron and or the fx just that this time it is likley. If dell does not offer opteron they will loose server sales and way more money per unit there over any celeron.

Lighten up what is wrong with dell offering the customer a choice anyway? It's not like anyone would expect you to buy one, so don't get so emotional about it.

www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/11/HNdelltouseamd_1.htm...

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November 14, 2004 12:36:55 AM

They are selling a crap load of systems and with that crap load of systems they all have Intel processors in them. Now that you understand that understand this if this continues in the market Dell will never switch or consider AMD parts in their machines, and will probably never. With regards to tech support, costs would be immense for Dell to service AMD based machines as well and Intel based machines, in fact I am willing to wager their Tech support costs would balloon.

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Dell knows win64 is comming very soon and they know opteron will leap frog xeon further with dual core.

Now WTF are you talking about, I have seen the x86-64 benches for both the Opteron and Xeon. The Xeon in 64bit mode is quite respectable nothing stunning but respectable non the less, as for dual core mumbo jumbo that you are babbling about no one knows the god damned performance numbers from those chips so do us all a nice favor and shut you "I am a AMD fan boy pie hole" and simply wait to see if Intel gets raped or not.

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Squeeze intel as long as they can.

Maybe you haven’t noticed but Dells business plan is what keeps them ahead of the lesser OEM's. Keeps the costs down not to support two CPU manufacturers, with the chipsets, power specifications board layouts the whole nine yards.

They operate stream lined and their consumer base doesn’t give a crap on your face about performance, just reliability and support.

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It's not like anyone would expect you to buy one, so don't get so emotional about it.

Now WTF are you talking about emotion over Dell and Intel, you need to stop whatever the hell you are doing and realize I’m not pissy about that crap I am pissy with tools that don’t see the whole picture.

Sure I am pro Intel but I try and look at the whole situation, some of you fools read Dell+AMD=Love Machines and go oogly in the head, tout about Intel will die off yada yada yada yada and some more stupid yada, when that is the farthest thing from the truth.

Just remember AMD has been winning in performance for quite some time now, yet Intel hasn’t seen any signs of a market shift... yet. As things are I really don’t see that even happening, Intel can probably sit on their ass and do jack squat for 3 more years before the OEM's start to make a real fuss.

Intel helped all these companies back in 2000 by offering stellar deals on silicon from them and all they had to do was drop AMD. Don’t think for a second that any of those CEO's of those companies wouldn’t bend over backwards to help Intel out.

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November 14, 2004 12:47:21 AM

Xeon, I used to stick up for you but you are a stupid angry little goof (no wonder you have been banned so many times). You don't know very much in fact very little, you worship intel and spew crap all over the place. You need to relax and open your eyes.

Nuff said!

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November 14, 2004 12:52:02 AM

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November 14, 2004 12:59:34 AM

well seriously folks, in the end, amd doesnt need dell as much as dell doesnt need amd to succeed. as long as amd sells all the chips it makes, there is no concern here that they must have dell for some reason. heck they have become part of nearly all other oems besides dell, including hp. hey hp may not be as big as dell, but they are big and they will give amd all the business they can handle.

this whole thing makes me laugh, everyone gets so excited to see any glimer of hope that dell picks up amd, when it doesnt even matter. dell's bread and butter are tons and tons of cheap, craptacular systems where they could put via chips in them and the customers wouldnt care. sure getting the top oem would be a nice 'moral' victory for amd, but it gains them little right now.

i see amd hit a new stock price high, getting within a couple dollars of intel's stock price and besting a 52-week high, while intel continues on its stock price slump. amd isnt struggling here and im sure feel pretty good about the future. it may not be reflected in world wide market share, but things are blanacing out more and more. you can site several things including month after month of amd systems outselling intel in the US desktop market. there always need to be an equalization here, intel will soon level out as well and we will be doing this all over again.

this just goes to show how meaningless marketshare talk is. its more about waht the company itself is gaining or loosing, not the market as a whole. its so huge that amd and intel can carve up all they want and be happy lol.
November 14, 2004 3:40:58 AM

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Xeon, I used to stick up for you but you are a stupid angry little goof (no wonder you have been banned so many times). You don't know very much in fact very little, you worship intel and spew crap all over the place. You need to relax and open your eyes.

What in gods green earth are you talking about now, I will say it now you anger me with your constant double talk bull and you out of the blue "I win haha look at me I won".

Nuff said! (sounds really gay even when I say it)

Xeon

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If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
November 14, 2004 3:30:30 PM

In any case that will hurt Dell also.If they lose there price advantage over HP they will lose market share.It Intel who hold the candle not the others way around

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November 14, 2004 7:14:09 PM

Jeeze Louise, what thread did I wander into???

LOL, man you kids..

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November 15, 2004 5:17:29 PM

Something of that order.

Xeon

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November 16, 2004 1:18:56 AM

Oh ya, sure it will hurt Dell. Big ole Intel will say " we dont like you anymore, go away" Truth is, Dell is bigger than Intel, and has more clout. If they do start selling Amd, Intel will be forced to give even better deals, or face loosing the biggest customer in the game.
November 16, 2004 1:24:58 AM

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Dell is bigger than Intel

What you talk'n bout foo.

Xeon

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November 16, 2004 2:27:23 AM

Actually, he's right, an whole intel board and cpu will fit inside of any dell. [/proving dell is bigger than intel]

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