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A64 socket 939 3400 and 3500 same spec?!!

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December 17, 2004 1:59:20 AM

I was looking around at newegg at A64 socket 939 CPU. And found 2 of them with the same specs almost. Heres the links:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new"> 3400+ socket 939</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">3500+ socket 939</A>
The above 2 looks like they have same exact specs but 3400 costs $269 and the $3500 costs 272. There is another 3500 version which is actually different with 90nm core, and cost $325:
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">3500+ 90nm, socket 939</A>

Found it kind of unusual that the 3400 and 3500 has same specs for 939. Also seems like the socket 939 3400 isn't listed in <A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/..." target="_new">AMD site</A>, so where did new egg get it from? Also the 90nm cost alot, $50 more is alot, more that it should. I swear prices for it was lower few days go when I checked, it think retail shop seem to be jerking up prices for chistmas...
December 17, 2004 3:04:55 AM

the 939 3500+ is slower in benchmark than the 754 3400+ so maybe AMD wanted to correct that by slowly renaming the 3500+ as the 3400+ 939...

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December 17, 2004 11:26:10 AM

I never heard any news that AMD would rename the 3500+ to 3400+ for socket 939. It's a strange thing! Maybe, it's only a typo???

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December 17, 2004 11:42:58 AM

These are the specs, I don't see a 3400+ socket 939, so that site must be mistaken.
<pre>Model Frequency L2 Cache Packaging
4000+ 2.4 GHz 1 MB 939-pin
3800+ 2.4GHz 512KB 939-pin
3700+ 2.4GHz 1 MB 754-pin
3500+ 2.2GHz 512KB 939-pin
3400+ 2.4GHz 512KB 754-pin
3200+ 2.0GHz 1 MB 754-pin
3200+ 2.0GHz 512KB 939-pin
3000+ 2.0GHz 512KB 754-pin
3000+ 1.8GHz 512KB 939-pin </pre><p>
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December 17, 2004 11:44:41 AM

BTW, are the 3800+ and 4000+ multiplier unlocked like the FX series?

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December 17, 2004 2:11:17 PM

Nope. Only FX chips get the unlocked multiplier. This feature is unique to the FX line.

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December 17, 2004 2:22:12 PM

The site isn't mistaken, few other sites have it. BUt it seem like it has very small avaliability. I recently found <A HREF="http://forums.amd.com/index.php?s=92df17617ce1562f3413d..." target="_new">this post in amd fourms </A>. According to the ppl there the difference between that 2 is that 3400 oem has 800 HHT and 3500 has 1000 HHT.
December 17, 2004 2:30:08 PM

What I posted was off of AMD's website specs of all Athlon 64's
Where would it be on AMD's site then, or is it just not current???

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December 17, 2004 6:09:41 PM

Doubt the AMD site is 100% accurate. You noticed there is no mention of the A64 2800+? Possibly they don't want to cluter it up with so many verions.

Also, it could be that 3400 939 aren't in production anymore, so they just don't list it.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by unseen on 12/17/04 03:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 17, 2004 6:13:00 PM

Plus I dont' see a 754 model at 2.2g. Probably just not updated or typos.

Mike.
December 17, 2004 8:34:51 PM

Its not a typo guys the 939 3400+ is indeed 2.2 ghz which is the same as the 3500+ but the 3400+ only has the 800HTT whereas the 3500+ has a 1000HTT.
December 17, 2004 8:44:18 PM

I dont doubt it, but find it odd that if you bought one, AMD doesnt list specs for it?!?!?
Intel you can find specs for any processor easily. Just dont sound right to me.
Sorta sounds like dealers are modifieing them and changing only the rating.

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December 17, 2004 11:53:03 PM

It is my understanding that Amd made a limited number of 939 3400s for an oem. It seems that the excess made it to newegg, and a few other places.
Problem is that because it is not an official chip, there are no bios that recognize it, so it defaults to a reduced speed. As you might have guessed, this has caused no end of problems to a lot of newbs
December 18, 2004 6:12:58 AM

Sounds like it is more than one chip speed. This still does not make sense to not publish specs of what you produce.


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December 23, 2004 1:00:49 AM

Add a 6 after the www, and loose one of the http://, to make the link work. Right click copy right click paste works best for me.
The difference between the 3400, and the 3500, is in the HTT. WTF is it, the 3400 is the only chip with a 200 HTT, on s939.
December 23, 2004 4:26:41 PM

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This still does not make sense to not publish specs of what you produce.

Since when does AMD make sense? (Especially regarding their pr numbers.) They make a great product, but they really suck at making information available some times, especially to developers. Intel could definately teach them a thing or two in that department. Now if only AMD could teach Intel how to use SoI and an ondie memory controller...

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December 23, 2004 5:28:15 PM

Indeed it has caused newbs a world of trouble! TigerDirect is selling a barebones mobo system with the 939 Athlon64 3400+ - I went through 2 PSUs, 2 CPUs and 2 mobos before throwing in the towel on this, my first build. A csr at TD finally confessed and said they'd seen a lot of these come back because of failure to get past post - like mine did - first time, every time - regardless of everything I and Asus could think of. I sent it all back and don't think I want to try to build my own again.
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