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January 1, 2005 4:00:12 PM

My budget allows me to buy a Pentium 4 3 Gigs.
But I found 3 different Pentium 4 3 gigs with very diff. prices. Which one is better for gaming?.
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odel: Intel Pentium 4 w/ Hyper Threading
Core: Prescott
Operating Frequency: 3.0GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Cache: L1/12K+16K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.25V - 1.525V
Process: 0.09Micron
Socket: Socket 478
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
Warranty: 3-year MFG

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THE MOST EXPENSIVE GOING FOR 239 DOLLARS.
Specification
Model: Intel Pentium 4 w/ Hyper Threading
Core: Northwood
Operating Frequency: 3.0GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.525V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 478
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2
Warranty: 3-year MFG
Packaging: Retail box (with Heatsink and Fan)

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THE LEAST EXPENSIVE GOING FOR 180 DOLLARS

Model: Intel Pentium 4 530 w/ Hyper Threading
Core: Prescott
Operating Frequency: 3.0 GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Cache: L1/12K+16K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.4V
Process: 90nm
Socket: LGA 775
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
Warranty: 3-year MFG
Packaging: Retail box (with Heatsink and Fan)
Notice: This Processor Works with SocketT (LGA775) Motherboard ONLY!

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QUESTION IS WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR GAMING?

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January 1, 2005 4:35:31 PM

If you already have the board, then make sure that it support all the CPU in your list.

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January 1, 2005 4:42:24 PM

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QUESTION IS WHICH ONE IS BETTER FOR GAMING?


Answer : None, for gaming, you are better off going for AMD. An Athlon 64 3000+ Socket 939 based on the 90nm Winchester core is not only cheaper than a 3GHz P4, it generate a lot less heat and require a less noisy cooling solution.

Keep in mind that although the Socket T CPU is cheaper than its Socket 478 counterpart, Socket T motherboards are more expensive and require overpriced DDR2 memory, not to mention hard to find PCI-Express Video-Cards that bring absolutely no advantage over their AGP-8x counterparts.

If you take all of those price premiums into account, an AMD system will bring you a lot more performance for the same price.



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January 1, 2005 5:14:20 PM

For SidVicious

Based on your posting I found and ASUS mobo(for AMD Athlon 64 3000+) with an AGP slot(instead of PCI) that also accepts regular memory chips (correct me if I am wrong on this please) for which I have allrady a pair of Corsair Pc 3200 DDR400 256 megs each.

THIS IS THE MOBO...is it a good one?

ASUS "K8V SE Deluxe" K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL


Supported CPU: Socket 754 for AMD Athlon 64 Processors
Chipset: VIA K8T800 + VT8237
FSB: Hyper Transport
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 3x ATA 133(1 from Promise 20378) up to 6 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI, 1x Wi-Fi
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,8xUSB2.0(rear 4),1xLAN,2x1394(rear 1),SPDIF Out,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: AD1980 6-Channel audio CODEC
Onboard LAN: Marvell GbE
Onboard SATA/RAID: VT8237, 2xSATA, RAID 0/1; Promise R20378, 2x SATA, RAID 0/1/0+1
Onboard 1394: VIA VT6307, 2 Ports
Form Factor: ATX
January 1, 2005 6:05:56 PM

That's S754--a dead end in terms of developments. Look for the MSI Neo2 for S939.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
January 1, 2005 6:17:48 PM

WOW!!!...reading Simpleton's posting I wonder now what's better. An Athlon 64 3000+ or a Pentium 4 3000 Mhgs

Socket 754 outdated?...is it a dead end? is 939 better?
January 1, 2005 7:23:49 PM

the idea that 754 is a dead end is silly, how long before you upgrade again? and when you do upgrade again are you prolly gonna purchase a new mobo anyway? and if you're gonna go with the agp choice...the only upgrade you're not gonna be able to get is the 4000+, you'll be stuck with the 3700+. and the 754's run at a higher clock, you just don't get the dual-channel memory which makes just more than a minimal difference.

so, I guess there might be a VERY slight difference, but it's quite an exaggeration to say the 754 is a dead end. I guess it all depends on how often you upgrade and if you HAVE to spend your hard earned money on that all important, extremely high priced extra couple percent of performance, or if you're willing to accept very good performance for a more moderate price.

at least that's how it looks to me. and if someone is already willing to look at the 754 instead of the 939 because they do value their money, I think the 754 is the much better purchase. in the future the 939 will, of course, be the better buy. but I don't think that time has come.
January 1, 2005 7:51:10 PM

I seem to going like a ping pong ball feeling silly because I jumped from the Pentium 4 to the Athlon 64 without looking at Toms Hardware reviews.

Now I am back with the Pentium 4 because TH review indicates that the Pentium 4 3000 mghz beats in almost all tests the AMD Athlon 64 3000...so...P4 will be.

You can see the benchies here for those 2 processors:

http://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/socket_939-0...
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January 1, 2005 10:27:56 PM

The processors you list are: Prescott Socket 478, Northwood, and Prescott Socket 775. The first and last are the same thing, they just fit different boards. The one in the middle (northwood) has the best performance overall, lowest heat, and greatest availability of motherboards.

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January 1, 2005 11:10:54 PM

Tom's is afraid of loosing it's status as an Intel Inside site. You may see a different story at <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTgzLDU=" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTgzLDU=&lt;/A> or <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=195..." target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=195...;/A> or even <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040201/prescott-10.h..." target="_new">http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040201/prescott-10.h...;/A>
As you can see, normally the Amd systems are just better at gaming.
January 2, 2005 4:50:35 PM

Try and copy my sig, and remember, in gaming a fast Video card and at least a gb of Ram is most of the battle. The 3.0C Northwood is the best P4 choice of the three, especially one with the MO stepping.

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January 2, 2005 5:14:27 PM

"I seem to going like a ping pong ball feeling silly because I jumped from the Pentium 4 to the Athlon 64 without looking at Toms Hardware reviews.

Now I am back with the Pentium 4 because TH review indicates that the Pentium 4 3000 mghz beats in almost all tests the AMD Athlon 64 3000...so...P4 will be."

Pffffffffffffffffffff.ahahahahahahaha....Really...you did that??? Seriously, unless you changed you videocard, did you really noticed a difference in speed???

Why didnt you just put a faster CPU???



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January 2, 2005 5:26:14 PM

I haven't purchased anything yet...I am in the process of selection which is not easy considering my budget and the options. I think that I am going Pentium 4 3000 mghz anyways....
January 2, 2005 5:30:36 PM

If you must get the "Intel inside, Idiot outside" sticker, be sure you get the northwood core. It may be a third rate chip, but it is a lot better than the prescott.
January 2, 2005 6:52:01 PM

It may be a third rate chip, but it is a lot better than the prescott.
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Hey, it's second rate at least! Knock off this third-rate crap! DARN AMD FANBOYS! :lol: 

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January 2, 2005 10:04:19 PM

I do not understand why some of you guys rate the Pentium 4 3000 cpu's in such a poor light. I will like to hear some fundamentals about it.

I am not an authority at all to judge these processor and it gets very confusing when I see TH reviews for the P4 3000 series (the P4's are equal in performance with some small differences up and down to the A64 3000 and the A64 3200 on most benchies) and then I read some postings indicating that the P4's in question are not good.
Are TH reviews wrong?...or something wrong with the postings attacking the P4's ?

I want to make the right choice based on sound advise.
January 2, 2005 10:18:57 PM

In short, the Intel move from 130nm to 90nm was a complete flop! A quick trip to Suckville! An excursion into the wasteland of stupidity! The result was a 1mb cache chip that could not really utilize all it's pipes and became way TOO HOT as clock speeds increased. The result: DEAD END! The Northwood will pound the Prescott in virtually every benchmark. Believe me, the Prescott may have the shortest lifespan of any Intel processor. Now if you want to invest your money in a top-end Intel product with a wierd socket layout (775) and DDR-2 memory (which also can't be utilized fully) you may be happy until the first time you try your new copy of Windows 64 in it. Won't boot up? Shoulda' bought an A-64!

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January 2, 2005 10:38:24 PM

Yeah...I remember the fuzz in the media about the overheating problem on the Pentium 4 series...which will shorten its life span...U R right.
January 2, 2005 11:04:34 PM

After carefull consideration (specially looking at the future) I think that the A64 CPU provides much better flexibilty and the price is very competitive.

Which one gives better bang for the money?..my budget is limited allready. At NewEgg there is a huge jump in price between the A 64 3000+ (149 dollars) and the A 64 3200+ (193 dollars for Newcastle and 225 for Winchester).
What's the diff. between Newcastle and Winchester?
Also the dollar-and-CPU performance ratio cosnideration...which is better for your bucks?
The A64 3000+ or the A64 3200+?
January 3, 2005 12:18:56 AM

"A 64 3200+ (193 dollars for Newcastle and 225 for Winchester).

Also the dollar-and-CPU performance ratio cosnideration...which is better for your bucks?
The A64 3000+ or the A64 3200+?"

Well, too bad you didnt look at socket 754, but the 227$ 3400+ will smoke'em all...even the 3500+ will have some nice competition!

That the best perf/price ratio, imho...Oh..people will tell you that socket 754 is dead with no future, but it is up to you! What do you want? Good performance right now and for some years or less performance now with the hope to get more in the future???





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January 3, 2005 2:07:02 AM

Good performance now and for a couple of years...(later I can update to a better mobo and CPU...right now money is my limitation).
January 3, 2005 2:23:27 AM

This chip <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...;/A> costs about the same as the average P4 3ghz, but will perform better.
For mobos, I recommend <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...;/A>, if they are available, or <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...;/A> or <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...;/A> from asus or the gigabyte <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti...;/A>
Since the board doesn't use dual channel memory, you can save some money there, as well.
January 3, 2005 3:00:21 AM

Thanks Endyen...

Your posting is very helpful.Have a question:

Is there a big difference in performance between the A64 3000+ and the A64 3200+ ? (socket 754)
January 3, 2005 4:08:57 AM

A big difference? The 3200 is about 10% faster. Do I think it's worth the extra $50? I bought one when the difference was $80. Personally, I think they are worth as much as the P4c@ 3.2ghz. Since the P4 3.2c sell at newegg for $249, the A64 3200 is a steal at $193.
January 3, 2005 10:28:59 AM

I dont know if your mixing Amd 3000+ (Non 64) With Amd 64 3000+ endyen. But I dont think Amd 64 3200+ will be 10% faster Then a Amd 64 3000+. Mybe 3 to 4% faster. But nice try anyway.
January 3, 2005 11:33:45 AM

IMVHO I think you are making a very smart buy with your money. how many people keep their system more then 2 years or so. the socket 754 will serve you well in that time for the money you spend on it. memory is easier to find also as the single channel is less picky(cheaper memory to boot also) the newcastle chips also OC pretty well. not quite as well as the winchester cores, but I think for the money you are spending you will do very well.

you might want to consider these mobos also
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Epox</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Chaintech</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Soltek</A>
January 3, 2005 4:52:09 PM

I'm talking chip speed, you are talking system speed. Last time I checked 2.2 ghz was exactly 10% faster than 2 ghz.
As for system speed, it all depends what you are doing.
January 3, 2005 11:28:08 PM

Yes, it has a network adapter for your cable connection. but if it is for internet, then, even 10 mbits will suffise as it give you 1.25 MBytes/seconde and fastest cable connection for home I've seen was around 650 kbytes/secondes

It works well but havent had a chance to test the integrated firewall thou

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January 4, 2005 2:40:12 AM

"But I dont think Amd 64 3200+ will be 10% faster Then a Amd 64 3000+. Mybe 3 to 4% faster. But nice try anyway. "

The AMD 64 3000+ has a clock speed of 2.0ghz and the AMD 64 3200+ has a clock speed of 2.2ghz. lemme think here. 10% of 2.0...... hmmm...... I guess 2.2 would be 110% the clock speed of 2.0??? Gee, ya think? LOL

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January 4, 2005 2:50:12 AM

Nitrom,

The new Gigabit ethernet adapters are simply a faster throughput than what was formerly available. It progressed from 10 baseT to 10/100 baseT and noe these sucka's have 10/100/1000 baseT. Faster throughput simply means fewer bottlenecks in your network. Granted, A cable connection (my cable downstrean runs at 3gbps) may not be able to utilize that much bandwidth(yet, lol) but some businesses have lightning fast internal networks that utilize a bit more of this added throughput. The answer to your question though is no, you don't need to go buy an adapter. The gigabit ethernet works the same way that the 100 baseT network adapters does. :) 

BTW Nitrom. If you do any extensive amount of research about what processors rule the roost you see that AMD 64's are the rooster. Pentiums perform a bit better at rendering and video encoding and some winstone benches but when it comes to gaming the AMD is tops. For the money it's probabl;y the best all around processor as well. with an AMD 64 you can't go wrong. Try for one that has the 1mb of L2 cache though. 754 sockets are not dead and in fact in some cases offer better performance over some 939's.

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January 4, 2005 3:40:12 AM

Scratch Chaintech. Just got a bad VNF3-250 back with a burned Vreg. One weeks goes by and no response from Chaintech since the board is still under warranty. Blech!

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January 4, 2005 5:51:12 AM

YES!!!...TRUE...after some research the conclusion is that the Athlon 64 are the best processors...

I was under the impression that the Athlon XP series were excellent also but now I have serious doubts about it.

Thanks for all the postings...really help me to make a good decision. I ordered the Athlon 64 3200+
January 4, 2005 1:06:21 PM

sure Athlon XP are excellent..lot of us are using it :wink:
January 4, 2005 2:48:06 PM

Keep in mind there are flavors to the 754 3400. The Newcastle core with 512k l2 cache @ 2.4GHz and the clawhammer core with 1MB l2 cache @ 2.2GHz. Depending on where you shop, price for the latter can vary from +$25 to +$120US.

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January 5, 2005 1:14:24 AM

I don't think anyone ever said Athalon XP processors were bad.
XP processors are good processors, especially the barton core processors. People who love to OC love the Barton core because it can be OC'd so much more than others. The 64 bit processors are very fast indeed but if your on a budget and do not mind making your processor faster manually ;)  then the XP barton core could be your baby. LOL

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January 5, 2005 1:24:06 AM

With nforce3 boards going for under $100, and the A64 3000+ only $150, there isn't much reason to go xp anymore. A lot of the newer s754 chips are good above 2.4, so they benefit from a little manual manipulation as well. If they release one on 90 nanos, I might even forget about s939 for a bit.
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