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March 16, 2005 1:09:30 PM

First off this forum is great for info and for laughs! I am hoping that I can get some great advise on building my own computer.

My experiences with computers are no more than replacing video cards, memory, dvd burner, etc. I will play mostly games on this computer so I will spend more now because it may be several years before I can upgrade again, plus if I am going to go through the trouble of building it, it better be for the good stuff!

Once I order all the hardware, should it come with all necesary parts or are there extra cables and pieces that I will need to get before I sit down and do this?

Rookie questions I know but I would like to start this project and finish this project in one day. Pointers, tips, good books, little things, etc that can make this an easier experience? Look forward to your responses and thanks ahead of time.

Molar

Here is the config at this time and I took Spits advise on AMD processor

Case-Antec P160 buying additional 120mm fan

Power-Antec 550w

CPU-AMD 64-3800+

Motherboard- Ascus A8N-SLI Deluxe 939

Memory- 2 GbRam Cosair PC3200

Videocard-Unsure at this time either a ATIx800 or x850 ePCI
or Nvida 6800 Ultra ePCI

Hdd- 74Gb western digital 10000 rpm


You computers masters keep viewing but no post, come on give me some love!.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Molar on 03/16/05 10:31 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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March 16, 2005 5:04:33 PM

**ROFL** There's not much that's actually been asked to respond to. But I'll give you some answers.

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Once I order all the hardware, should it come with all necesary parts or are there extra cables and pieces that I will need to get before I sit down and do this?

That depends entirely on what hardware you order. :\ I know that's a pretty vague answer, but the reality is that things like screws and cables sometimes do and sometimes don't come with what you order. You really have to figure that out for yourself. If it's a retail part usually the packaging will say what it comes with somewhere on the box. If it's an OEM part then hopefully the place that you buy it from can tell you (or if it's on line they may have it in the description somewhere).

All in all, I'd expect to have to pick up a few bibs and bobs when all is said and done. That way the worst that could happen then is that you don't need any after all so you can be happy that you don't have to pick them up. :) 

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Pointers, tips, good books, little things, etc that can make this an easier experience?

Hmm ... if you don't have one, pick up an anti-static device. (Typically a wrist strap.) Better safe than <i><b>ZZAAAAP</b></i> sorry.

Also, try to get it to post with a minimum of hardware, and then add the remaining items in one by one. That way if something goes wrong you know pretty much exactly what caused it.

And this should probably go without saying, but don't get drunk before you begin the assembly. **ROFL** I had a friend try to fix his PC while drunk once. He ended up causing more damage instead of fixing anything. Had I been there, I'd have stopped him of course.

Other than that, enjoy. :)  Take things slowly and carefully and expect it to take a lot longer to get it all up and running than you would think. :o  But in the end you should get there just fine. And when in doubt, post and we'll try our best to help. :) 

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March 16, 2005 5:31:26 PM

Were all just here for the laughs. We all really just buy Dells and E Machines and we are paid for pumping up great products like Prescott CPU's and ECS Dual Intel/AMD boards. You need a Prescott on one of the ECS Dual CPU boards. If you don't buy one we will send Eden over to play "Hide the Pickle" with you.

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March 16, 2005 5:37:20 PM

Yeah, it will come with everyting you need. Good choice ATIx800XL $300 or x850 ePCI $500


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March 16, 2005 7:00:21 PM

Tesla RULES!

Thanks for all the responses they have truely helped but keep them coming. I have looked at this post while working and saw people looking but not posting but now the Computer Masters (ego boost)have started to open up!

I have been saving for this for a long time and I know it looks like a dentist walks into the forum throws out the most expensive crap and now wants you all to help him? I promise I will post my progress if not for laughs but so I can make sure I am doing this right.

Prices are a concern but not if it will get me the best product for the next few years I am actually thinking about upgrading to an AMD64 Fx-55(and yes I admited it) but I would rather have the best GPU than a CPU Ati x800 comparable to 6800 ultra? I know this is more personal opinions but I am open minded give me your thoughts


Your friendly Tom's Hardware dentist

Molar

P.S. I have seen most people recommend XP professional with SP2? Why is that?
March 16, 2005 7:27:08 PM

If you have the money, the PCI-e X850XT PE is the fastest there is. But you can get the PCI-e X800XL around $300 which is just about as the same thing, just not quite as fast. And will run dual monitors if you wish. Dual displays are nice.

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March 16, 2005 8:02:17 PM

If you go with an ATI video card, then save some money and don't get the SLI mobo. Something like the <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">DFI Lanparty UT nF4 Ultra-D</A> or the <A HREF="http:// www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-1..." target="_new">Abit Fatal1ty AN8</A> will work great. Here is an <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2337&p=2" target="_new">Anandtech DFI nF4 review</A> for your reading pleasure.

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March 16, 2005 8:09:58 PM

If you are from the states, Newegg.com is a good supplier, and can probally get most, if not all compents on one order.
Also could get two Raptors, one for O/S and the other for data files and swap file, to increase performance and keep data seperated should need to re-install O/S should arise.

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March 16, 2005 11:09:47 PM

Thanks again for the great comments but explain why the SLI or not the SLI Moob.

Thanks in advance

The dentist-Molar
March 16, 2005 11:15:17 PM

SLI only benifits you if nVidia writes drivers for the application or game. If not, you get no benifit, just the added cost of motherboard being SLI and an additional video card.
It really depends on if your particular games support SLI mode, then if it matters enough to outweigh the cost.
If not, then just go with a fast single card option, which happens to be the ATI 850XT PE at the moment.
Or a step down slightly in performance, but way up in price/performance the $300 X800XL

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March 16, 2005 11:17:46 PM

I would first read the FAQ in the motherboard forum and HDD forum. That will save you some time. I would download the manual for your board at Asus web site and start reading it because you wont read it fully when your parts will be there, you'll start building the whole thing AND post here after because you dont know why ... or how...

So, reading your manual now before having the parts will help you.

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March 16, 2005 11:20:58 PM

Easy to be missing the 2nd IDE cable.. unless ur buying SATA.

Cases that come with PSU's, the cheap ones anyway, may have inadequate PSU's. So if u buy a cheap case to plop in expensive components then beware.

If your the first on the block with a set of componets you can be sure noboby can lend you a helping hand to swap components to see which one doesn't work properly

The loving are the daring!
March 16, 2005 11:45:13 PM

That retail board will come with cables.
That PSU is kick a$$ too.

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March 17, 2005 7:34:13 AM

Good luck with the build man, and don;t yank so hard on some poor guys teeth if you get stuck :smile:

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March 17, 2005 9:12:16 AM

ouch, I was more thinking don't suck all the nitros if things don't go well... wait, maybe that would be what to do if things go well...

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March 17, 2005 10:43:22 AM

Agree with Rich on the SLI issue - you save a lot of money and lose little performance with that X800XL. Take a look at <A HREF="http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041110/index..." target="_new">THGs graphics card buying guide</A>. There will be links at the end for graphics cards comparisons - take a look at the PCIe cards. They bench SLI setups as well as the top single cards. Another thing to consider is the resolution and quality settings you will be playing at. If you're not going over 1280X1024, then some of the middle range cards are enough for today's games...

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March 17, 2005 10:48:42 AM

If you are not overclocking, (even if you are, this is a good choice), get the <A HREF="http://www.corsairmicro.com/corsair/products/specs/twin..." target="_new"> Corsair TwinX 3200XL Pro RAM </A>

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March 17, 2005 10:50:01 AM

Hey, you are going to keep us updated on specs and progress, yes?

And is this your first build, or are you having it built for you?

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March 17, 2005 3:19:48 PM

For the price difference between ULTRA and SLI mobo, get a SLI mobo. I didn't had the cash you had so I bought an nForce4-4x based mobo. A lot cheaper than ULTRA/SLI mobo, but less features...

If you have the money, get the SLI board, even if you never use it. Because if one day you want to use it you will regret not having paid a few more bucks for DUAL 16x PCI-EXPRESS slots!

In fact, nForce4 ULTRA chipset is useless, since nForce4 SLI cost nearly the same price!

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March 17, 2005 3:50:46 PM

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for DUAL 16x PCI-EXPRESS slots!

I thought that when in SLI mode they were each 8x because the bandwidth gets split.

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March 17, 2005 3:59:06 PM

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I thought that when in SLI mode they were each 8x because the bandwidth gets split.

You are right, but the slots are physical 16x slots and logical 8x slots... Quite confusing for non enthousiasts! :smile:

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March 18, 2005 5:50:26 AM

Uh, d00d, that's not a Tesla song. Tesla just performed a classic formerly performed by another band. The 60's protest lyrics should have been your first clue.

Little Suzie is a real Tesla song.

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March 18, 2005 6:53:52 AM

Since I can't run higher than 1280x1024 res, I bought the x800xl. That and it only cost me $300 :smile: Still waiting for the rest of my parts tho :frown:

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March 18, 2005 9:40:32 AM

Hey Crashman I am not that old;] Tesla was the one that made the song popular for me!

Wow thanks for all the help and insight because I have no clue what to expect.

This is my first time to build a computer. Right now I am mulling over just the final steps and some I need more advise on.

Question shoud I try to set up my harddrives into a Raid 0 and will it produce any noticable results with games,other apps or should I just set up IDE?

Here is the list at this point I have changed a few things thinking that I can put the cash elsewhere. I plan on using SATA for my harddives so I will need to order a different cable(s)? Like I stated I am new at this so a lot of my info I have researched and called the manufac. on some. I changed my hdd from the Western Raptor 74 gb to an normal Seagate 7200rpm 160 gb thinking the performance just for games is not going to be that noticable? Dropped from 2 gb to 1gb knowing I can upgrade later.

Questions comments? Thanks in advance.

Your friendly Toms Hardware dentist-MOLAR

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March 18, 2005 1:49:50 PM

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I changed my hdd from the Western Raptor 74 gb to an normal Seagate 7200rpm 160 gb thinking the performance just for games is not going to be that noticable?

I have a WD 74 GB Raptor (not in RAID config) and on UT2004 it loads maps quite a bit faster than a 7200 RPM drive. Instead of joining the game in progress I have to wait for the other slowpokes to join. :smile:

RAID0 should give you a performance boost but I don't know how much. I think some people have RAID0 configurations for their OS and applications. The computer should boot quicker and programs should load/run quicker. They use a 7200 RPM drive as storage.

Your MB manual should tell you what cables come in the package. I'm guessing most new MBs will include at least 2 SATA cables.

Your power supply probably has SATA power connectors. I think most SATA drives have SATA power connectors and the legacy pin connector. You only use one connector not both.

Since you are buying the FX55 I would recommend 2 WD 74GB Raptors for OS and applications in RAID0 configuration and 2 7200 RPM drives in RAID1 configuration or 3 drives in RAID5 configuration for data security/integrity/redundancy.

I don't know if you can run 2 different RAID configs but I'm assuming that since most newer MB have 2 onboard HD controller chips you should be able to.

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March 18, 2005 5:04:38 PM

Huh thanks for your post.
I may try the raid congfiguration because I want to see what it can do plus another challenge! As for the Raptor I didnt go for them; from what I read they wont make that much of a difference?

I ordered everything that i could think of but now I need to decide on what OS to run XP home or Professional? I have never heard the reasons why to run PRO but most people prefer it to home. Why is that and remember I am completely lost in the was computer programs.

Thanks again for your reply Huh.

Molar
March 18, 2005 5:30:29 PM

In my opinion, I would use Pro if I was running a network or was planning on networking several computers at a later date. If I was running a single stand alone computer I would go with Home.
March 18, 2005 5:57:42 PM

I have two computers running from the ol hub but they have seperate IPs and never have had any problems??

Molar
March 18, 2005 5:58:45 PM

Molar, if you're going to mess with RAID, then make sure to have a floppy with the RAID drivers handy when you go to do the Windows install. There's some F_ key that you have to hit to load those drivers, or else Windows won't recognize that you have any hard drives to install it on to. :o  For that matter, make sure to set up your RAID array as bootable. That helps too. ;) 

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March 18, 2005 6:05:33 PM

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In my opinion, I would use Pro if I was running a network or was planning on networking several computers at a later date. If I was running a single stand alone computer I would go with Home.

Even this isn't as true anymore. :\ I have Pro because I felt like it. My wife has Home. I <i>used</i> to use my Pro box for running my home network. (With a few Win9x boxes as well.) Then I got a broadband router that acts as a DHCP server and now <i>it</i> runs my network. :o 

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March 18, 2005 6:15:56 PM

XP Pro has better security features, but programs that run on XP work with Pro or Home. Drivers are the same, I would get the Pro version.

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March 18, 2005 6:36:07 PM

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if you're going to mess with RAID, then make sure to have a floppy with the RAID drivers handy when you go to do the Windows install. There's some F_ key that you have to hit to load those drivers, or else Windows won't recognize that you have any hard drives to install it on to.

F6 key to load the drivers. This applies to RAID from a chip that is on the mobo, but is not on the chipset, like the Sil 3114 on some mobos.

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March 18, 2005 6:38:53 PM

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Even this isn't as true anymore. :\ I have Pro because I felt like it. My wife has Home. I used to use my Pro box for running my home network. (With a few Win9x boxes as well.) Then I got a broadband router that acts as a DHCP server and now it runs my network. :o 

I guess I wasn't clear about what I meant by networking. I too have a router that I use to network my computers. I have a W2K and a XP Home machine on my network. What I haven't figured out in home is how to share the drives. I want my W2K computer to see my XP Home drives. I want to put both machines on the same domain and in XP Home you can't do that.
March 18, 2005 6:46:11 PM

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F6 key to load the drivers. This applies to RAID from a chip that is on the mobo, but is not on the chipset, like the Sil 3114 on some mobos.

Hey, that's the ticket. :)  It's been a while since I had to do this myself. At the time I had my drivers on a CD, since, you know, that's what people distribute with these days.

The real pain in the arse part is making sure that your system has a floppy drive to even do this with. Gee, thanks MS for not modernizing that part any. :\

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March 18, 2005 6:50:39 PM

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What I haven't figured out in home is how to share the drives. I want my W2K computer to see my XP Home drives. I want to put both machines on the same domain and in XP Home you can't do that.

Any reason why you're using a domain over a workgroup?

And then there's always "\\computername\C$". Thank you ever so much MS for inventing supposedly hidden internally created shares that you can't delete without f-ing up Windows and you can't protect either. :( 

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March 18, 2005 6:51:23 PM

It's amazing that an $8 piece of 20 year old tech can kill a modern config...I still keep at least one of them laying around the house somewhere.
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March 18, 2005 6:54:46 PM

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It's amazing that an $8 piece of 20 year old tech can kill a modern config...I still keep at least one of them laying around the house somewhere.

Hell, I have a computer graveyard full of them. **ROFL** But still, every system I build I make sure to include one ... just in case. I mean it's not like they're expensive and you never know when you might want/need one. :o 

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Maybe it's trying to breed with the remote control?

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March 18, 2005 6:56:27 PM

Alright need to make sure I understand this. Floppy hopefully = 1.44 disk drive(ahh saying that kind of reminds me of the good ol comadore 128 days!) and my mobo should have that set up/disk? Funny I talk to patients about saving teeth and what not only to look at them and think I lost them at hello due to my fancy wordsmI paid alot for. Well the shoe is on the other foot because some of the suggestions have lost me at HELLO.

After I feel my computer hardward is complete I start the rig up and check bios? This is where I will be leaning on Maximum PC computer builder. I know you walk me through the whole blasting thing but give me a somewhat brief run down of steps.

I truely appreciate all the help.

One thing that this newbee learned was that not all 24 pin connectors can power the SLI-Deluxe boards, had to switch from a true power to a neophyte 480w. Its amazing that there are so many ways to build a computer that only now do I understand why people have such broad thoughts about what is good vs bad.


Thanks again to all The resident and not so resident TOMMIES!

Molar
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March 18, 2005 7:01:25 PM

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Maybe it's trying to breed with the remote control?

The damn cordless phone is jealous the drive moved in on its territory. I think there are turf wars going on over the stale chips and popcorn.


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March 18, 2005 7:03:38 PM

There is a RAID FAQ in the HDD forum - good read!

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March 19, 2005 2:45:11 AM

Thanks Rugger and everyone else.

I postponed my order due to several things one with the video cards and second is with the power supply.

I planned on getting ATI x850XL ePCI for the SLI ports but come to my lack of looking ATI is not a SLI video card!

I was told to get a Antec Neophyte 480 True power because it will support the new ATX 2.0 power but will that be enough to run two ePCI cards along with 2 hdd, FX55 and other drives? Just want to make sure i get this right.

Thanks for the help/advise.

Molar
March 19, 2005 4:17:44 AM

If the graphics cards you are now looking at are the 6800 ultras, you will need a bigger psu.
OTOH 2 cards in Sli will only slightly outperform the 850, in some games (Sli enabled) and then, not by much. I dont see the point of going nforce in the high end. Now if you were talking lower mid range, maybe. Upper md goes to the x800xl, high end to the 850PE.
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March 19, 2005 8:41:54 AM

I agree with Endyen on the power issue, X850XT ok, but need more for twin 6800 Ultras. From a price/perf perspective I just don't think that SLI is worth the money. If your question is whether or not the X850XT will work on the an SLI board, the answer is yes. The ATI cards are not SLI capable, but the will work in the PCIe slots of an SLI board. ATI will have AMR, their response to SLI, on the streets here soon, but I don't know dates and haven't seen any reviews. New tech almost always has issues and I don't like paying to be a Beta User - especially considering you'll pay premium prices for the privelage of being the first to use this product. I like to call it the R&D premium.

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March 19, 2005 11:05:17 AM

Thanks for the vaulable info there. I am going back to the x850 xt and scrapping the dual video cards at this time. The Neophyte 480W should it be enough to run everything or are there suggestions on other PSUs? Thanks for the help.

Molar
March 19, 2005 4:56:42 PM

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new"> This Thermaltake 680 watt PSU </A> will power dual SLI or just about anything you can throw at it. It has 3 - 12 volt rails, and is rock solid.

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March 19, 2005 7:50:10 PM

But you're gonna pay for it! :smile:

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March 19, 2005 7:50:59 PM

Thank you for that link Rich that is overkill but I like everything about it!

Thanks

Molar
March 19, 2005 8:01:08 PM

Molar...this is not advise about how to build your computer because I think there is better qualified PPL than me in this forum.
But I can give you advise on how to buy parts from online stores.

My advise is to buy everything from NEWEGG or ZIPZOOMFLY because what you order is what U get and NEWEGG has a fantastic return policy.

Buy everything at once because U have one week to return the CPU if it is DOA and one month the rest of the components. And build the computer as soon as you get the parts because the return policy time is clicking.
March 19, 2005 8:06:50 PM

I will vouch for Newegg.com and ZipZoomFly.com, and between the two you can probally find all the components you are looking for.
Order all components at same time, read about hardware and installation though doewnloaded manuals first, then build ASAP after parts arive to test system.

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March 19, 2005 11:26:36 PM

LOL!

I orginally orderd everything from Zipzoomfly but after the power issue came about I order it from Newegg. I appreciate your advise because you get what you pay for.

Here is my order:

Sony FD MPF920Z161/131 1.44MB 3.5in Floppy Disk Drive (Beige)
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Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Sound Card Retail
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Antec P160 Anodized Aluminum Super Mid Tower Case Retail
1

Arctic Silver Ceramique Premium High Density Thermal Compound 22Gram/Tube Retail
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD 36.7GB Serial ATA 10,000RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer
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Corsair TWINX1024-3200XLPRO 1GB Kit DDR400 XMS3200 Xtra-Low Latency Dual-Channel ProSeries Memory w/Heat Spreader 1
Antec Pro 120mm Double Ball Bearing Case Fan Retail
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AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 Processor Socket 939 Retail 1

Microsoft MultiMedia Keyboard Retail
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Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce 4 SLI Athlon 64(FX) Skt939 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA 1

Plextor PX-716SA 4X Internal Serial ATA Dual Layer DVD Drive Retail
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Gigabyte GV-RX85T256V Radeon X850 XT PCI Express 256MB DDR3 Video Card w/HDTV-Out, Dual DVI & VIVO

I am scrapping the Raid set up at this time. I also went with Rich's idea about power unit, thanks.

Still not understanding XP pro and what about cable management once i get things in??? Shrink wrap, plastic ties?




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