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P4Man   03-17-2005 at 04:04:45 PM

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2.4 GHz A64 Venice 3800+ overclocked to 3 GHz on air (stock AFX cooler), running at a cool 34°C. Not bad!

According to Charlie (Inquirer) 2.8 GHz opteron is also a go this month.

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Ned_Flanders   03-17-2005 at 04:14:54 PM
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What's in the Venice?

SOI?

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Ned_Flanders   03-17-2005 at 04:16:00 PM
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and what's with 50% of the posters saying *subscribed*?!

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P4Man   03-17-2005 at 04:17:17 PM
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SOI has been used in all K8's AFAIK. Venice is a new stepping, and possibly a slightly different (IBMs ?)process skewed for clock rather than low power. I'm sure others can clue you in on this though.

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Ned_Flanders   03-17-2005 at 04:32:50 PM
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1.2Vcore @ 2400MHz (stock) :cool:

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mozzartusm   03-17-2005 at 05:01:55 PM
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Whats up pecker head :tongue:

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ChipDeath   03-17-2005 at 05:52:53 PM
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It uses new gondola technology for prefetching.

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A64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10= ~2.5Ghz, ~1.41 Vcore
1Gb @ 209Mhz, 2T, 3-5-5-10
Voltmodded Sapphire 9800Pro @ 450/350 w/ modded VGA silencer 3.

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ChipDeath   03-17-2005 at 05:56:52 PM
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Damn. Makes my winny look like a rather unrefined 'Proof of concept' chip or something :frown:

AMD seem to be really rubbing salt into Intel's raw wounds now...

Things look good for them! :cool:

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A64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10= ~2.5Ghz, ~1.41 Vcore
1Gb @ 209Mhz, 2T, 3-5-5-10
Voltmodded Sapphire 9800Pro @ 450/350 w/ modded VGA silencer 3.

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Rugger   03-17-2005 at 06:05:39 PM
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I'm more interested in what it will run at STABLE! I just want to get something that will OC well and stably.

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Ned_Flanders   03-17-2005 at 07:30:38 PM
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lol, I thought you were being serious for a second then!

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slvr_phoenix   03-17-2005 at 08:02:36 PM
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Quote :

AMD seem to be really rubbing salt into Intel's raw wounds now..


That's what Intel gets for ignoring SoI. **ROFL**

I wonder what the next process shrink will bring though. Intel supposedly is going to start using SoI there. But then, they're probably so far behind SoI advances that they may need years to catch up even then. :O

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ChipDeath   03-17-2005 at 08:44:28 PM
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:evil: hehe. Couldn't resist that one!

Should've used:
"It's a standard winchester, but has a mini water-cooling system under the IHS :lol: "

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A64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10= ~2.5Ghz, ~1.41 Vcore
1Gb @ 209Mhz, 2T, 3-5-5-10
Voltmodded (1.99V) Sapphire 9800Pro @ 460/350 w/ modded VGA silencer 3.

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endyen   03-18-2005 at 01:08:55 AM
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they're probably so far behind SoI advances that they may need years to catch up


Not bloody likely. They are well into FD soi at this point, and should be able to regain the performance crown, if the go with a high enough fsb.

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ChipDeath   03-18-2005 at 10:25:04 AM
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They'll catch up. They always do...

More importantly, the Prescott isn't <i>that</i> bad a performer, so joe blow is still going to be satisfied with his PC (does he know or care about how hot it is? no.), so DELL et al aren't going to care, and Intel will still keep most of their huge market share. Let's face it, it's only us enthusiasts who'll really care or notice, and we make up such a tiny proportion of the market. Intel Needn't be in any rush.

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A64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10= ~2.5Ghz, ~1.41 Vcore
1Gb @ 209Mhz, 2T, 3-5-5-10
Voltmodded (1.99V) Sapphire 9800Pro @ 460/350 w/ modded VGA silencer 3.

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P4Man   03-18-2005 at 02:34:18 PM
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>o joe blow is still going to be satisfied with his PC (does
>he know or care about how hot it is? no.),

No, but he'll notice the noise, and start asking around...

Furthermore, AMD already has significant marketshare in the "Joe Blow" market, around 50% of consumer desktops in Europe and Japan, I am not sure about the US, I guess Dell is too big there.

Anyway, where AMD really lags is the corporate desktop market, a HUGE market where they basically have no presence. As Opteron goes forward however, I can well imagine corporations becoming less worried about purchasing AMD based desktops. Especially since those buying shouldn't be Joe Blows, and should know about AMDs features, performance and power consuption. I'm not sure if Intel can simply rest on its laurels..

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ChipDeath   03-18-2005 at 03:48:37 PM
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Ah yes, forgot about the noise. Don't know about 775, but the 478 scotty fan is a real whiny SOB. It's horrible.

I guess 'Joe Blow' probably <i>will</i> notice and look into it, and while <i>he</i> probably won't replace mobo/ram/cpu, whenever one of his friends wants a PC he'll no doubt advise against Intel.

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A64 3200+ Winchester @ 250x10= ~2.5Ghz, ~1.41 Vcore
1Gb @ 209Mhz, 2T, 3-5-5-10
Voltmodded (1.99V) Sapphire 9800Pro @ 460/350 w/ modded VGA silencer 3.

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Spitfire_x86   03-18-2005 at 04:41:18 PM
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I guess 'Joe Blow' probably will notice and look into it, and while he probably won't replace mobo/ram/cpu, whenever one of his friends wants a PC he'll no doubt advise against Intel.


Nooooooo........"Joe Blow"s will never ever advise against buying Intel. They worship Intel as the Almighty PC God. They are too afraid to be the victim of their PC God's wrath.

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RichPLS   03-18-2005 at 10:06:31 PM
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LOL! But AMD and Intel market lemons. I have built both type PC's, and there is good and bad in each. The battle lines are drawn and redrawn depending on what is cutting edge currently, just now it is AMD's favor.

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Zoron   03-18-2005 at 10:15:32 PM
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No, but he'll notice the noise, and start asking around...



Perhaps... but then again perhaps not.

A friend of mine got himself a Dell XPS system. Now this sucker is huge, has a huge heat sink, and three or four fans. I told him he was probably going to have one hell of a loud system... but imagine my surprise when we turned it on and it was virtually silent. (At least compared to my home-built box).

Depends on where you get the computer. Some will be almost silent, others will be louder than rush hour.


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Xeon   03-19-2005 at 02:02:19 AM
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Nooooooo........"Joe Blow"s will never ever advise against buying Intel. They worship Intel as the Almighty PC God. They are too afraid to be the victim of their PC God's wrath.


They prefer worlds largest/richest/most powerful/all knowing/bullet proof/share holder friendly semi conductor god.

-Jeremy Dach

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endyen   03-19-2005 at 02:30:41 AM
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For dells to be noisey, they would have to give a rat's ass about heat. Dell likes it when the chip is throttled. It makes them more stable.

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Rugger   03-19-2005 at 03:00:33 AM
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LOL - no mercy! Hey - it's one way to keep a Prescott cool&quiet!

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P4Man   03-19-2005 at 04:38:43 AM
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>share holder friendly semi conductor god.

I made substantially more money on AMD than I did on intel.. but I guess I'm the exception :D

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Xeon   03-19-2005 at 07:23:23 PM
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Yes very much so considering Intel made more per share but whatever.

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P4Man   03-19-2005 at 07:44:18 PM
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So [-peep-], AFAIK AMD even posted a loss. Nevertheless, I don't think I'm the only one that recognized a good buy when AMD hit something like $3.5 per share.

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Sold them on average for 3.5x as much, I'm not complaining..

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Xeon   03-20-2005 at 06:33:18 PM
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Good your not complaining and I am not careing seems we have found common ground on this again stupid whatever we were doing.

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Andrzej_Pl   03-21-2005 at 12:15:56 AM
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very n00bish question...what is SSE3....what impact it has on performance...and shall I wait like few weeks and got me this venice, apart the winchester core (PC is for games and watching movies)

Andrzej

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Xeon   03-21-2005 at 01:46:49 AM
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Well lets get this straight, its technically not going to be SSE3 on the A64 since 2 of those new instructions are for Hyprer Threading but meh what do I care AMD has the PR system.

Otherwise its a media excelleration extention(s), as per performance might give you a bit of a speed up on newer media creation software. Otherwise this is just another revision, nothing to get overly excited about.

-Jeremy Dach

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P4Man   03-21-2005 at 02:53:41 PM
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For games, SSE3 is not likely going to change anything significant, for certain media encoding apps, there might be a worthwhile speedup. If you're only into games, and watching movies (really doesn't require anything highend), I would safely ignore SSE3.

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