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March 21, 2005 11:41:37 AM

I just put together a nice new system myself for the first time, and everything is working great so far (it actually powered up the first time!) except I'm a little concerned about my CPU temp...the BIOS hardware monitor says it's about 78-79 degrees. This seems a little high to me, although maybe the thermal paste hasn't melted on yet. The mobo temp is about 38-39 degrees, so that seems okay. I'm working with the following (copied some from the store website where I bought everything):

- Intel Pentium 4 640, 3.2 GHz, 2MB L2, 800 MHz FSB, Socket LGA775
- Asus P5GD2 Deluxe Intel 915P Chipset DDR 2 w/8-Ch Audio,IEEE 1394a,GB Lan,PCI-E X1, PCI-E X16
- Thermaltake Cooling System CL-P0092 Silent 775 Heatsink w/ Heatpipe Technology, Funneled Fan (LGA775)
- 1 GB DDR533 RAM
- WD 160 GB SATA HDD
- Connect3D Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition 256MB

I know the Prescotts run hot, but is this expected or have I perhaps botched the thermal paste application a bit when put the heatsink on?
March 21, 2005 1:10:21 PM

You are way to hot. We need to figure this out before you get to frisky with this system. Your running one of the 600 series and they are supposed to be cooler than the 500 series which I am running. Are you sure you listed your Mobo correctly? Is that the one with the on board graphics? Ive got the Asus E-Premium but with the 925X chipset. You may not have the heatsink on there correctly.

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March 21, 2005 1:16:48 PM

I just noticed those Mobo temps. Im Overclocked to almost 4.5 Ghz and my mobo temps arent that high. I hate to be negative, but this system really needs to be cooled with liquid. Your never going to get those temps where they need to be without either going to liquid or using one the $50.00 Zalman Heatsinks. The CPU is only one of the heat problems that your going to face. The northbridge is also an issue with this system. What brand is the RAM? You said that you had 1G of Ram, but is it 2 sticks of 512 or what?

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March 21, 2005 1:31:54 PM

I would make sure that your heatsink is well sitted on the CPU and try to run the system with an open case to see if this helps... You might have bad air flow in the case.

But the ultimate cooling solution is to get an Athlon 64! My A63 3200+ @ 2.4GHz temp is 42 Celsius under 100% load with stock cooling and fan speed to AUTO (means my system is nearly silent).

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March 21, 2005 1:46:07 PM

Wow, first of all thanks for the good, fast replies. I've got two 512MB Kingmax sticks in there, DDR533. Man, I knew that temp sounded bad. Something tells me I'm going to end up replacing that CPU/board with an Athlon 64. I had heating problems with the old Athlon Thunderbirds and I went Intel since then and never looked back. I never thought I'd see a P4 running twice as hot as an Athlon. :p 

What about the Athlon 64 slots? I'm not familiar with those much. What's the difference between socket 754 and 939/940? Is one newer/better than the other?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DorkmasterFlek on 03/21/05 10:47 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 21, 2005 1:47:30 PM

I just found out more good news. If his Mobo was made in the first half of 04 then it has big issues with the 600 series CPU's. Without a BIOS flash the board and/or CPU can be damaged. Its not going to be easy to flash it without a 500 series CPU. I would be one hacked off individual at the store that sold me a 600 series CPU with a Mobo that runs native DDR2 600 when you could get the 925X chipset "Big Brother" that runs native DDR2 667 and supports an FSB up to 1066 for $30.00 more.

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March 21, 2005 1:51:20 PM

Its not the CPU or the MOBO thats the problem. Its the store that sold it to you. They sold you a chipset that doesnt really agree with that series CPU. For $30.00 more you could have gotten the P5AD2-E-Premium that will fly. Do you have an instant messenger that we could communicate through. I could catch you up on whats going on with this alot quicker if you do.

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March 21, 2005 2:02:28 PM

If you want to stick mid/high-end system go for Athlon 64 S939 with 90nm chip.

Socket 754 will be there in the future only for mobile and low-end market. A64 S754 chips are not bad at all, but this platform will not support dual-core CPU or now speed grade A64. It's why I opted for S939.

If you do overclock, buyind a "low" speed 3000+ et 3200+ is a very good choice since they can be easily overclocked to 3800+ speed and beyond. AMD will soon introduce to the market a new 90nm stepping that will provide SSE3 support and theorically higher speed potential. Will probably be fairly easy to run at 3.0GHz. Current 90nm S939 can reach 2.6GHz in most case with good cooling and good mobo. Anothere "advantage" to the A64 platform is that it use DDR ram. It's inexpensive and easily overclockable if you buy good memory sticks.

If you want to change your system, here is my recommendation :
CPU : A64 S939 90nm
MOBO : nForce4 based (DFI is actually the best nForce4 mobo maker)
MEM : Any good DDR400 (or higher) modules in pair (for dual-channel)

Your Intel system is not bad, but in games, AMD really kicks the Intel butt!

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March 21, 2005 2:56:16 PM

mozzartusm, I'm at work right now unfortunately, but I can chat at home. It sounds like you're saying my problems could be fixed with the P5AD2 board. I saw that one too but opted to go with a 915 board instead of a 925 board because of the price difference and I really didn't need some of the extra features. Do you think this is causing the problem? I'm not sure I understand what's happening, but I don't really see how a different mobo would make my proc run cooler...feel free to teach me a lesson if I'm wrong, please. :) 

I'm also curious if you're liquid cooling your system. You mentioned that you're running a 500 series Prescott and they should run hotter. I think I'm going to refix the heatsink when I get home and see if that makes a difference at all. I really don't want to mess with liquid cooling if I can avoid it.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DorkmasterFlek on 03/21/05 01:18 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 21, 2005 5:00:11 PM

Man, I've been reading the replies over again. I'm not sure what to do. If I try a 925 chipset board, that's another chunk of $$$ down and it might not work. I can easily get an Athlon 64, but I'll need a board and DDR400 RAM to go with it. Not a huge deal, live and learn I guess, but now I've got a Prescott CPU, board and two sticks of DDR2 RAM I can't use. Bottom line, I should've gotten an Athlon 64 from the start. I know very little about overclocking, and thus good cooling in general, and I really don't want to touch liquid cooling. The whole thing really peeves me, because it works! The CPU temp is the only problem, but it's a big one.
March 21, 2005 7:30:07 PM

Not a bad idea, but my main concern right now is the CPU temp, which is just far too hot the first time I powered it up. I'm going to assume for now that I probably botched the heatsink application with the thermal paste. I had some Arctic Silver 5 paste and I followed their instructions for applying it (put a small dab in the center and let the heatsink spread it with its weight). Maybe I contaminated the surface contacts by mistake. I'm going to remove, clean and reapply the paste and heatsink when I get home in a bit.

In the meantime, if anyone has any info to share about this supposed problem with the 600 series Prescotts and the 915 chipset boards, that would be greatly appreciated. I emailed the store I bought the board from to see if they will let me exchange and pay the difference on a 925 chipset board. Thanks for your help guys!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DorkmasterFlek on 03/21/05 04:31 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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March 21, 2005 8:18:53 PM

That's probably the most reasonable course of action at this time. It would be a hard pill to swallow to have to sell off a new system, just to purchase another system...
Would you get better gaming performance by doing so...Yes, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to do it. <pre>dang shame to waste that 850xt on an intel system</pre><p>What do you plan on using to clean the cpu and hsf? If you don't have any 90% or better alcohol at home, then I recommned you pick some up on the way home...

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March 21, 2005 9:23:29 PM

Well I wouldn't be getting rid of the whole system, just the CPU, motherboard and RAM. I can get a PCI express mobo for an Athlon 64. I'm just kicking myself for not getting the damn 925 board for a little more. At least then I'd know for sure whether I need to get an Athlon 64 or not. Well, once I'm done reseting the heatsink here...
March 21, 2005 10:25:56 PM

BIOS 1007 for P5GDC Deluxe is current, what version are you running?

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March 21, 2005 10:47:18 PM

And are you sure those temp are exact? maybe thay are reported false by the system.

I would try to find a medical thermometer, which can be hold against the HSF to see if it is real hot. You could try your finger, but start at the top going toward the CPU.

Then. If the cooler is hot, but can still hold your finger agaist it, then it should be OK. But if the cooler is not that hot, then maybe it is not mounted correctly. Reseat with new thermal stuff. not too much BTW, just a thin layer. Recheck temp to see any amelioration

If the cooler is hot, but the system stable under load, then I would not worry. Just make sure you have some circulation inside the case and the hot air at the top is evacuated. Then stop worrying and enjoy.





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March 21, 2005 11:28:46 PM

Okay, update time! The store let me exchange the 915 board (P5GD2) for a 925 board, the P5AD2-E I think, so yeehaw. I also discovered, when I removed the heatsink and CPU, that I need some lessons in applying thermal paste. :p  I followed Arctic Silver's directions of putting a small dab and letting the heatsink spread it with its weight. Maybe I didn't put enough on in the first place, but there was a tiny circle of paste in the center of the CPU, so that's probably my problem right there. I'm going to try spreading the paste into a thin layer if I can, either that or putting more on this time. :p  You guys have been a great source of info on this!
March 22, 2005 12:17:31 AM

Ive been out, sorry I havent gotten back until now. You dont need to put alot of paste, just a very thin coat spread evenly across the CPU.

Im using liquid now, but used the stock cooler for a few days and my temps were fine. The 915 chipset on that Mobo has some issues with the 600 series CPU's. There is a BIOS fix, but you wouldnt be able to flash with that CPU. Im glad to hear that you are getting the 925X. Thats the same Mobo that I have. This is a very nice board and shouldnt give you any problems. Post all of the spes for your components. PSU, RAM, etc... List the brand and any other info.

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March 22, 2005 12:24:03 AM

The temp sensors on these boards are right on target. He probably got one of the boards that was made in the first half of 04. There was something about them that causes the 600 series CPU to not work correctly.

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March 22, 2005 3:40:08 AM

I prefer to spread a thin layer of AS-5 with a wooden spatula about 1/4" wide. I don't like the "dab-in-the-center routine. It will take a while for AS-5 to cure and give you your lowest temps anyway.

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March 22, 2005 4:51:36 AM

Alrighty, one more update for the road. I installed the new board and reapplied the paste and heatsink and it looks like we're in business! The new board is working great, and the Asus PC Probe utility shows my idle CPU temp at about 33-35 degrees, and I noticed it hit 48-49 when I was cranking out the updates and it was working. Those numbers look good to me, but I'll post them here just to be sure. :) 

If you still want to know, I'm using a Thermaltake Purepower PSU. I spread a thin layer of paste across the entire CPU this time, instead of the dab method. That seemed to do the trick. Those numbers should hopefully go down a little more once the paste sets in. You guys have been awesome, thank you so much for all the help!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DorkmasterFlek on 03/22/05 01:54 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 22, 2005 5:22:57 AM

Good for you! I felt really bad about being so negative in my first few post, but I thought that you should know the facts. Turns out it worked out in your favor this time. Be careful in the future and ask more questions before you make a purchase. Keep me posted on how your system is doing. I would like to know more about the 600 series CPU's and what they have to offer.

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March 22, 2005 10:13:46 AM

Congrats!

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March 22, 2005 11:52:59 AM

Yeah, don't worry about it mozzar, I appreciate the heads up. I didn't research the new Prescotts and the boards well enough or maybe I would've caught that issue. I've also never put together a machine from scratch before, so this was all a great learning experience in the end.

I ran a CPU test on Sandra with the monitoring software up and I noticed that the CPU temp hit about 59-60 when fully utilized during the test, then it dropped right back down to 33-35 when the test finished. I think that's still okay though. If it caps at 60 when fully utilized and the paste hasn't set in yet, it should be in the 50s when it does, so I think I'm good. I want to keep doing some stress tests, see what it looks like when I finish getting things set up and install WoW for instance. :)  I'm going to run back to back CPU tests to keep it stressed for 5-10 minutes solid and see if the temp goes above 60 when I get home.

One other thing mozzar, in my device manager I have two devices that don't have drivers installed yet listed as "Unknown". When I ask it to try to install drivers automatically, it doesn't find anything on the CD. I haven't check the ASUS site for anything yet, I'm at work now. Any idea what they are? Just thought I'd ask since you have the same board. Thanks again for your help everyone!
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by DorkmasterFlek on 03/22/05 09:51 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 22, 2005 3:56:38 PM

Yes, I probably know exactly what the deal is. Tell me what the devices are and I will let you know. Remind me to tell you about the Asus Probe and Ai Booster.

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March 24, 2005 1:17:51 AM

Remove/uninstal the devies in Device Manager. Sometimes this does the trick and they instal correctly.

Then again instalation sometimes requires separate instal directly from the CD itself.

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March 25, 2005 5:40:49 AM

hi guys,
just reading the thread regarding the high temps...
im just about to buy/build a p4 system, the 530 running at 3ghz with some ddr 2 ram etc etc.
Do i require any extra cooling for this chip then? Everywhere I read theres a lot about these chips running hot....
March 25, 2005 5:46:02 AM

We need to have a long discussion about this. How much money are you willing to spend, and what parts do you have now? I would put the brakes on the 3.0 and consider the 3.4 if you get the correct model and stepping you will be able to use the multiplier unlock feature.

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March 25, 2005 7:04:32 AM

At the moment i have a celeron overclocked and its just not cutting it as you can imagine!

This is what im considering putting together (prices are in Australian dollars):

GV-RX70P256V ATI Radeon X700PRO 256MB,128bit,PCIEx16, $399
Intel Pentium IV '530' 3.00Ghz 800Mhz LGA775 $309
WD1600JD 160GB, 7200rpm, 8Mb Cache, SATA $159
512MB Corsair 240-pin DDR2 XMS2-4200 non-ECC, $139
P5GDC-V-Deluxe I915G/ICH6R/PCIEx16/DDR COMBO/8USB2.0/SATA/GbLAN/1394/ATX $279
Antec "Solution Series" SLK1650 ATX 350W Black/Beige Midi Case $129

I know the new 6 (ie: P4 640 3.2ghz is aussie $465) range is out for the P4 now, and it offers cooler temps and 2mb cache, but the base model at 3.2ghz costs almost another $150 on top of the p4 530 im wanting to get. The 540 (next model up on the 530) is $60 more than the 530, hence why I have gone with that one.

Im at least hoping having the 775 board with ddr 2 allows me some scope for upgrade, but as ddr2 rams gets faster I guess your mobo also needs to be able to handle that too.
I think the board I have picked is not bad for the price, offering pci xpress, ddr2 etc.
Im intending to play a few games on this system, as well as do some video editing etc from stuff I have filmed on my digital video.
March 25, 2005 2:42:36 PM

I wouldnt get that board, it has had compatiblilty issues. I love my ASUS board but stay away from the one you listed. You need to get one of the 925XE boards like the P5AD2-E-Premium

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Ballistix PC5300@DDR2 780
ATI Radeon X800XL
TT 680W PSU
March 25, 2005 6:27:32 PM

Quote:
Antec "Solution Series" SLK1650 ATX 350W Black/Beige Midi Case $129

Is anyone else worried about the budget 350W power supply?

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March 25, 2005 7:03:08 PM

LOL - Just a little bit! That setup will put a serious strain on that PSU. He'd be better off going with the Sonata for $99 and a 380W Antec. Better yet - and this is my recommendation - get the <A HREF="http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA211..." target="_new">Enermax 535W Whisper II model EG565P</A> for $89 and the <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Antec Solution Series SLK3000-B</A> for $55. Total price = $144 and a lot better than what he has listed...JMHO.

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March 25, 2005 10:46:13 PM

I was so concerned about the Mobo that I didnt even see that one. Good catch!

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TT 680W PSU
March 25, 2005 10:51:54 PM

Hey Rugger! I hit 4.6Ghz but very unstable. Im going to put all my attention on my RAM for now. My RAM is running Mach 5. We call that being"SKINT BACK". Ive got screen shots of 100% bandwidth :eek: 

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ATI Radeon X800XL
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March 26, 2005 6:04:03 AM

Thanx for the advice guys.
Im now trying to get a P4 630 cpu now...runs cooler etc.
And i'll look into a different board and case too then....damn!
March 26, 2005 6:25:34 AM

If you are looking for a new mobo and chip, may as well take a look at the A64s. They generally perform better than a like priced Intel setup, run cooler, and the s939 boards will also support dual core chips.
Amd's chips do a better job of 64 bit as well.
My how things have changed. Intel's chips are plagued with heat issues, and related instability, while Amd's are much cooler, and more stable.
March 26, 2005 7:24:07 AM

Dont let me talk you out of an ASUS, just not that particular model. The best board on the market for the Intel 500 or 600 series is their P5AD2-E-Premium.

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March 26, 2005 4:10:45 PM

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I hit 4.6Ghz but very unstable.

:cool: SWEET! Still using water? When will you be going sub-zero? Make that puppy colder than a witches titty in a brass bra in an icestorm and she'll simmer on down!

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My RAM is running Mach 5. We call that being"SKINT BACK". Ive got screen shots of 100% bandwidth.

You're whippin that RAM like a red-headed stepchild! You gonna go the OCZ VX route? ...when the bank has enough money to support your loan :eek: 

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March 26, 2005 5:22:09 PM

simma down now! [/SNL}

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March 27, 2005 3:41:13 AM

LOL! I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that! :lol: 

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March 28, 2005 12:24:19 PM

Yep, still using water. I have got to figure out what has me stuck where I am before taking a chance on screwing my system with the nitro. Heat isnt the problem, its something else. Im still tinkering with some ideas but I did pull off something else last night. Check this out! At the top make sure that 3DMark05 is blacked out. Make sure that you choose Intel P4 from the first dropdown list and then choose X800XL under the chipset list. Then hit the SHOW ME THE PROJECTS tab.
<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb..." target="_new">http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb...;/A>

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Ballistix PC2 5300@DDR2 780
ATI Radeon X800XL
TT 680W PSU
April 2, 2005 4:28:32 AM

well im now going for the newer p4 630...still at 3ghz but has the 2mb of cache, some 64bit extensions as well as running a hell of a lot cooler than the 5 series so im a lot happier with that.
April 2, 2005 5:12:36 AM

I wish I had one of the new 600 series. Ive got my eye on one of the 3.73 EE's but DAMN thats alot of money. If you want the best mobo for that cpu then its going to be the ASUS P5AD2-E-Premium without a doubt.

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TT 680W PSU
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