P-M Outdoes FX55

Clob · Mar 25, 2005

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2382&p=12." target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2382&p=12.</A> Heres the cheap alternative to great gaming and suck arse everything else! For its clock speed, its awsome! Hopefully a new adapter will allow a voltage adjustment for sweet OC'ing! Its krazy how it beat the FX55 in D3 and right on its arse in ET. No to mention its cheaper than a FX55. To bad its slow in everything else but gaming!

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jammydodger · Mar 25, 2005

I'd say that 0.3% performance increase over the Athlon FX-55 does not qualify beating it, more like the P-M is on par with the 55.

I do think that if intel paired the pentium M with a faster FSB board, better RAM and AGP 8x it really could be promising.

Action_Man · Mar 25, 2005

None of that helps, the PM needs better FP and SSE which will come with Yonah.

Some people are like slinkies....
Not really good for anything but you cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

jammydodger · Mar 25, 2005

My bad, I just read the entire article and it is using the 865 chipset! Wow, thats some great gaming performance for the price then (865 boards are apparently half the price of 855 ones).

I told people that the P-M was electrically compatible with the P4 and that someone should make an adaptor socket...but did they listen to me, noooooooo

P4Man · Mar 25, 2005

Another way of looking at it; a 90nm chip with 2 Mb cache, overclocked to the max, still doesn't beat a stock 130nm chip with only 1 Mb cache. I'm not sure I'm overly impressed yet.

Now if PM could scale to or above 3 GHz, as K8 clearly will on 90nm, then we're talking.

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TheRod · Mar 25, 2005

Pentium M don't ouclass A64, it can be very competitve in most apps. But the price/performance ratio of the A64 is better (not FX55, because it's highly priced). And you forgot to mention that the Pentium M was overclock and the FX55 was not!

If you overclock the FX-55 to 2.8GHz or beyond, it will lead again! And when you check ALL benchmarks the Dothan is not as good in all apps compared to A64/FX.

Pentium M are very processor, but Intel wants to keep them in laptops and I personnaly thinks it has more to do with financials than logicals decisions.

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P4Man · Mar 25, 2005

>Pentium M are very processor, but Intel wants to keep them in
> laptops and I personnaly thinks it has more to do with
>financials than logicals decisions.

No, it makes perfect sense. PM is a terrific laptop CPU, excellent performance at extremely low power. Its just is NOT a great desktop/workstation chip with is lacklustre FP and SSE2 performance, not too mention lacking 64 bit support.

Overall, even assuming intel could mass produce 2.5 GHz desktop parts, its feature starved and really not a better performer than P4E, though it shows potential. Lets wait for Yonah, and meanwhile, buy A64 desktops and PM laptops.

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TheRod · Mar 25, 2005

Lets wait for Yonah, and meanwhile, buy A64 desktops and PM laptops

I partly agree... Buy PentiumM if you really needs very long battery life. My personnal laptop is more like a mobile-desktop, it's always plugged and I mainly use it to access e-mail and work from anywhere at home, so I don't need the extra mobility of the Dothan, etc...

But I totally agree that VERY mobile users should stick to Dothan, they are great!

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Clob · Mar 25, 2005

The way I see it is price/performance ratio for games. Obviously its not great for anything else. I wouldnt mind saveing several hundred dollars to keep up with the FX55 in games...

"If youre paddling upstream in a canoe and a
wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

"Battling Gimps and Dimbulbs HERE at THGC"

Spitfire_x86 · Mar 25, 2005

But you have to overclock the Dothan, unlike FX55. And it's not likely that FX55 don't overclock at all.

On the other hand, 2.4 GHz A64 3400+ can easily keep up or outperform stock speed Dothan in almost everything while costing much less (CPU + mobo)

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apesoccer · Mar 25, 2005

Erm...but what he's saying is...for much less the price you can get the same thing. Which is the whole premise for OC'n in the first place.

In those terms, its a great buy. However, a better question would be (erm in my opinion...heh), can it keep up with a cheaper 64 that has been oc'd?

Hey look ape...he wrote right below that about cheaper options...oh.

Caution: Reading more than the first line, could cause you to not write uninformed responses...cough. My bad.

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x3][P4 3.0x2][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL TimeEdited by apesoccer on 03/25/05 04:52 PM.

apesoccer · Mar 25, 2005

Woot I'm an Enthusist!!! (erm if i spelled that right...). <edit> Erg...Enthusiast...yea...one of those too.

Current machines running F@H:
AMD: [64 3500+][64 3000+][2500+][2000+][1.3x1][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x3][P4 3.0x2][P4 2.4x5][P4 1.4]

"...and i'm not gay" RX8 -Greatest Quote of ALL TimeEdited by apesoccer on 03/25/05 04:47 PM.

Clob · Mar 25, 2005

The only problem that I see is that the P-M limited to its stock voltage on the OC. Some may get better or worse results, either way, its a sweet gaming chip and good news for me. I am planning on buying a cheap gaming computer and this looks like a great option. Before I do drop some some money I would like to see some more benchmarks on different games.

"If youre paddling upstream in a canoe and a
wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

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Edited by clob on 03/25/05 11:18 AM.

Action_Man · Mar 25, 2005

Does anyone know why the adapter only works in two boards?

Some people are like slinkies....
Not really good for anything but you cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

Clob · Mar 25, 2005

Because thats the way ASUS made it...

"If youre paddling upstream in a canoe and a
wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

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P4Man · Mar 26, 2005

Dothan >2 GHz is anything but cheap. But you could consider a Dothan based PM Celeron I guess

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Clob · Mar 26, 2005

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The 1.8 doesnt look to bad at $299 though. If its possible to get it to 2.5, then its worth it. Even 2.3 would give A64 a run for its money. Similar of like the Barton 2500+ situation, just on a different price scale.

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wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

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Edited by clob on 03/25/05 12:54 PM.

Clob · Mar 26, 2005

Anyone know the price of the adapter and HSF? Im guessing that would factor in to the price of this as well.

"If youre paddling upstream in a canoe and a
wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

"Battling Gimps and Dimbulbs HERE at THGC"

P4Man · Mar 26, 2005

For ~$100 less you can buy a 3400+ Newcasttle which will give you much better chances of reaching 2.4 GHz as it is its stock speed ! so I really don't see the big benefit in your approach .. ?

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Xeon · Mar 26, 2005

Hes rooting for the giant, by all means root away.

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Spitfire_x86 · Mar 26, 2005

(IIRC) According to Anandtech, mobo + adapter + HSF bundle costs $130

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Clob · Mar 26, 2005

Ok then no go with that idea. And I was not rooting for the giant! I just happen to be able to get the mobo needed for $50. Friend of mine owns a comp shop lol...

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wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Icecream doesn't have bones!!!"

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Edited by clob on 03/26/05 10:15 AM.

P-M Outdoes FX55

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