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December 20, 2012 1:02:06 PM

Hello,
Which is better for windows 7? free AVG or Norton Security Suite?
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December 20, 2012 6:33:22 PM

Just my opinion, but between the two I'd give the nod to AVG, though I generally lost respect for AVG around version 8 when feature creep became the name of the game. There comes a point in the life of every program where you, as a developer, have added more or less every legitimately useful feature there is to add. However, when you still need to convince people to upgrade to keep money coming in, that often leads to feature creep. Developers just throwing in all kinds of useless garbage that adds unnecessary bloat to the program.

Norton hit that phase several years before AVG, so that's why I give AVG the slight nod. That, and it's free, so it's not like you're paying to have a bunch of useless bloat dragging down your computer.
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December 20, 2012 6:57:07 PM

nobody likes norton, or mcaffee, so avg. if you've got a genuine opy of windows 7, try mse.
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December 20, 2012 7:00:48 PM

Well i have been on avira for the last 3 years and haven't seen anything bad, though i have seen many friends that got infected with many other av
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December 20, 2012 7:09:23 PM

Given the 2 choices, I have seen more sucess with AVG than norton. But I have seen both fail to protect a computer. AVG has a nicely effective boot scan option, but it takes a long time to complete.
I think there are better free AV suites out there. A good comparison chart can be found at av-test.org
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December 20, 2012 7:43:33 PM

Yep. Microsoft security essentials and Malwarebytes.
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December 20, 2012 7:46:35 PM

Microsoft security essentials every time. i have tried free third part and paid for third party. The best paid I ever used was Kaspersky and MSE is just as good and free. look no further.

Mactronix :) 
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December 20, 2012 7:50:47 PM

The last Norton release drastically improved the performance dragging. While I have used AVG, and would use it again, when I can get the whole Norton suite essentially free, as part of my Internet subscription (ISP=Comcast), that seems to make more sense. The only downside is having to first install a piece of interfering, roach-ridden poohware called "ConstantGuard" in order to install the Norton. Fortunately, it is possible to then remove the ConstantGuard.
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December 20, 2012 8:09:46 PM

Hi :) 

My shops fix viruses every day... a LOT of them with machines with AVG FREE on them :( 

We use Norton Internet Security 2013... (my own machines as well as my shops).. that should tell you something...

If you wish to use one of the free ones.... we see LEAST viruses on machines with MSE ..

Not as good as NIS 2013 , but not bad...

IMHO...

All the best Brett :) 
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December 20, 2012 9:15:56 PM

Brett928S2 said:
If you wish to use one of the free ones.... we see LEAST viruses on machines with MSE ..


That's interesting, considering MSE's detection rates have generally gotten so bad it lost it's AV-Test certification.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essential...
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December 20, 2012 9:19:46 PM

cl-scott said:
That's interesting, considering MSE's detection rates have generally gotten so bad it lost it's AV-Test certification.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essential...


Hi :) 

I don't believe in AV benchies...

I believe in customers who come in my shops and say ....I have Viruses and **** (REPLACE the asterisks, with most of the free ones, particularly those beginning with the letter A)

All the best Brett :) 
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December 20, 2012 9:34:34 PM

cl-scott said:
That's interesting, considering MSE's detection rates have generally gotten so bad it lost it's AV-Test certification.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essential...


Nothing to back up my theory... But I'd assume that AVG is far more popular then MSE to the "average" user. (non techie etc..)

That being said, I'd also assume Brett see's more machines on "average" with AVG verses machines with Mse.

Basing my theory off of a google search for "free antivirus" First hit.. AVG.. Second Avast.

Could be way off lol but it makes sense to me :p .

@Brett. Would you say you see an equal number of infected machines with Avast installed as well?
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December 20, 2012 9:41:10 PM

unoriginal1 said:
Nothing to back up my theory... But I'd assume that AVG is far more popular then MSE to the "average" user. (non techie etc..)

That being said, I'd also assume Brett see's more machines on "average" with AVG verses machines with Mse.

Basing my theory off of a google search for "free antivirus" First hit.. AVG.. Second Avast.

Could be way off lol but it makes sense to me :p .

@Brett. Would you say you see an equal number of infected machines with Avast installed as well?



That would be my theory as well. Norton is better than it was but I would never install it on any PC I owned and would never install it on anyone else's.

IMHO

Mactronix :) 
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December 20, 2012 9:52:36 PM

In the last two antivirus test in Maximun Norton came in first. At Frys you can get Noton for just the sales tax. Mir equal sales price.
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December 20, 2012 9:55:24 PM

unoriginal1 said:
Nothing to back up my theory... But I'd assume that AVG is far more popular then MSE to the "average" user. (non techie etc..)

That being said, I'd also assume Brett see's more machines on "average" with AVG verses machines with Mse.

Basing my theory off of a google search for "free antivirus" First hit.. AVG.. Second Avast.

Could be way off lol but it makes sense to me :p .

@Brett. Would you say you see an equal number of infected machines with Avast installed as well?


Hi :) 

The 3 "A`s as we call them (AVG, AVIRA, AVAST) we see lots of viruses...AVG definitely most then AVIRA/AVAST around equal...MSE we still see some but a lot rarer than the three A`s...

As a guess we probably see around 500 to 600 machines a year infected with Viruses (both Pc`s and Laptops) although the percentage of Laptops is increasing steadily over Towers..

All the best Brett :) 


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December 20, 2012 10:27:13 PM

unoriginal1 said:
Nothing to back up my theory... But I'd assume that AVG is far more popular then MSE to the "average" user. (non techie etc..)

That being said, I'd also assume Brett see's more machines on "average" with AVG verses machines with Mse.

Basing my theory off of a google search for "free antivirus" First hit.. AVG.. Second Avast.

Could be way off lol but it makes sense to me :p .

@Brett. Would you say you see an equal number of infected machines with Avast installed as well?


It's rather difficult to say since Brett's method is anything but scientific. It's a completely random sample, with absolutely no controls to ensure a certain uniformity of the data. It'd be like trying to predict the winner of the next British PM election by sampling a random group of people all around the world about who they would vote for, and not controlling for ability to vote in the election... On account of being a British citizen and all that.
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December 20, 2012 10:42:26 PM

cl-scott said:
It's rather difficult to say since Brett's method is anything but scientific. It's a completely random sample, with absolutely no controls to ensure a certain uniformity of the data. It'd be like trying to predict the winner of the next British PM election by sampling a random group of people all around the world about who they would vote for, and not controlling for ability to vote in the election... On account of being a British citizen and all that.



Hi :) 

I see your point , but the way I see it, is that as it IS a TRUE LIFE RANDOM SAMPLE....i.e. 500 real life customers who have viruses, its a better sample than a few test machines in a lab.... and they don't do 500 tests...not ever lol...

The proof of this is in the following statement....

I would happily bet £1000 that out of the next 5 machines that come into one of my shops (with viruses) at least one will have AVG on it and at least 3 will have one of the 3 A`s on it...

I would happily continue that bet if I could find someone to take it, forever....as I could NOT possibly lose money, and I am not even a gambler by the way, but I do like to make money, and that would be the way to do it....

All the best Brett :) 
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December 20, 2012 10:55:30 PM

Both suck.

Avira or Kapersky. I prefer Avira. I to fix alot of machines with AVG free, and Mcaffe, and norton.
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December 20, 2012 11:05:55 PM

I'm a bit skeptical of MSE. It has Windows Defender built into it, and the stand-alone Windows Defender on my Win7 laptop is an absolute resource hog and takes forever to finish a scan.

Whenever WD starts its scan, it is impossible to play any movies without insane stuttering because of the hard drive's read performance being kneecapped by WD. CPU usage was low, but significantly higher than other AVs I've used.

It takes 3 hours to complete a scan compared to less than 30 minutes for AVG 2013 Free, and that's with AVG's resource usage set to low.

As a further annoyance, Windows Defender has to be manually started regardless of if it's on 7, Vista, or xp. Sometimes multiple times. I recall one time on my previous Win xp laptop, I opened up WD one day, and it stated that it had not performed a scan in 366 days. Aka, it failed to automatically start during that whole time.
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December 20, 2012 11:25:38 PM

I personally use MSE on all my computers (used AVG free in the past). But i don't rely solely on an Anti-Virus software when surfing the internet for protection. Use the software Sandboxie, it quarantines all you internet web browser usage in a sandbox. If you get infected, you can just delete the sandbox and the virus/malware/trojan goes away without affecting other parts of your computer. My web browser of choice would be Waterfox with no-script, ghostery, adblock, betterprivacy, flagfox, flashblock, https everywhere, request policy and WOT for the safest experience.

Here is the link for sandboxie for more information and download:
http://www.sandboxie.com/

For Waterfox- x64 version of firefox:
http://www.waterfoxproject.org/
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December 20, 2012 11:41:35 PM

I typically get in about 10 systems a week infected with various things. No AV will stop things 100% of the time.

Of the free AV's Microsoft Security Essentials is, I think, one of the best. AVG free is decent (but bloated) and Avira, Avast and Comodo are better than nothing but MSE seems in my opinion to be the better of them.

As for paid, Norton (360) was terrible a few years ago and has made signifigant improvements but I would never pay for it at this point.

The best paid AV I have came across would have to be Bit-defender followed by Kaspersky and Trend Micro.

Mcafee, Vipre, Webroot, and older versions of Norton are not as good as MSE in detection and removal all while having more of an impact on system performance than MSE.
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December 20, 2012 11:47:43 PM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

I see your point , but the way I see it, is that as it IS a TRUE LIFE RANDOM SAMPLE....i.e. 500 real life customers who have viruses, its a better sample than a few test machines in a lab.... and they don't do 500 tests...not ever lol...

The proof of this is in the following statement....

I would happily bet £1000 that out of the next 5 machines that come into one of my shops (with viruses) at least one will have AVG on it and at least 3 will have one of the 3 A`s on it...

I would happily continue that bet if I could find someone to take it, forever....as I could NOT possibly lose money, and I am not even a gambler by the way, but I do like to make money, and that would be the way to do it....

All the best Brett :) 


Yes sorry, I've been bouncing between my duties on forums and a little side project I have going, and my previous post may have come across a bit terse. Looks like you took my meaning, but for others who may think I was attacking you in some way, that wasn't my intent.

However, ultimately this is kind of a case of correlation not being the same as causation. I know you're probably very equal opportunity in that you'll take anyone's money to clear up a virus mess, and I'd be the same way were our positions reversed. But we don't really know that it's some failing of the AV program at work here. No AV program is going to protect you from yourself. Which is to say that if I go and download something from a suspect site, disable the AV program because it keeps flagging it as suspect, then proceed to install it; it's rather difficult to then blame the AV program for the user getting some unwanted pest. There may be a large number of people using say AVG who come into your shop with a virus or malware issue, but we don't know enough to say it was a failure of the AV program.
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December 20, 2012 11:53:21 PM

cl-scott said:
Yes sorry, I've been bouncing between my duties on forums and a little side project I have going, and my previous post may have come across a bit terse. Looks like you took my meaning, but for others who may think I was attacking you in some way, that wasn't my intent.

However, ultimately this is kind of a case of correlation not being the same as causation. I know you're probably very equal opportunity in that you'll take anyone's money to clear up a virus mess, and I'd be the same way were our positions reversed. But we don't really know that it's some failing of the AV program at work here. No AV program is going to protect you from yourself. Which is to say that if I go and download something from a suspect site, disable the AV program because it keeps flagging it as suspect, then proceed to install it; it's rather difficult to then blame the AV program for the user getting some unwanted pest. There may be a large number of people using say AVG who come into your shop with a virus or malware issue, but we don't know enough to say it was a failure of the AV program.



Hi :) 

Actually I agree with your last point...

I don't think that AVG is any better (or worse) than Avira or Avast ... (none of them are great IMHO)

But as you point out its a matter of NUMBERS.... we see MORE people with AVG and viruses , because MORE people have AVG on their machines.... (laws of averages etc)

Having said that , I still see all 3 A`s on machines WITH viruses that those programs should fairly easily stop...

Norton and Mcfee manage to stop them.... etc...

All the best Brett :) 

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December 21, 2012 12:25:19 AM

I've been using AVG and it can find some strange false positives. A couple of months ago it flagged an old Quick Basic clone called Rapid Q and last week it quarantined MASM. How do other free AVs compare for (in)accurate results?
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December 21, 2012 12:45:12 AM

stevenpchurch said:
I've been using AVG and it can find some strange false positives. A couple of months ago it flagged an old Quick Basic clone called Rapid Q and last week it quarantined MASM. How do other free AVs compare for (in)accurate results?



Hi :) 

Not something we see generally, we see machines badly infected, so they usually didn't even see the virus coming...

Having said that, in a general sense I would rather an AV program had too many false positives than got infected...

All the best Brett :) 
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December 21, 2012 12:57:09 AM

The only problem I see with Brett's sample is that we don't have any way of knowing how many (or few) people in his area have Norton on their computers.

I know you run Norton, Brett. But your success could be more due to your internet IQ than your AV.

And if less than 10% of your area uses Norton, you would necessarily get lower numbers of infected PC's in your shop.

It's like a mechanic saying "Buy a Maserati because I never see broken one's in my shop and I drive a Maserati."

It could be because Maserati's are dependable, and it could also be because few people own them.

I use an AV that's provided by my ISP, as well as MWB.

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December 21, 2012 5:34:34 AM

Norton has a low market share anyway which would go some way to explaining the lack of Norton PC's with a virus.

Also the demographic of people who take a PC into a shop would be those who as has been touched on would have just goggled Free AV and ended up with AVG.

At the end of the day people will have had differing experiences with AV products depending on their usage type.
Brett works in a PC shop so probably see's more than some others on these forums. However as has already been said its just a flash poll of who takes PC's into where Brett works. All he can do is base his opinion on personal experience the same as the rest of us.

There is no right and wrong just people wanting to be sure the OP gets a full picture of the true state of affairs and a decent spread of opinions so that they themselves can make a balanced and informed decision.
At least that's why I'm here typing.

Mactronix :) 
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December 21, 2012 1:41:03 PM

mactronix said:

Also the demographic of people who take a PC into a shop would be those who as has been touched on would have just goggled Free AV and ended up with AVG.
Mactronix :) 


This^

I agree with all above. I think it's just the people that tend to go into a pc shop are the same that google a free AV and the 3 A's as they have been dubbed are basically hit 1 2 and 3.

Any antivirus can get a virus in my opinion. Just have to find the nasty ones :D .

But Ive had great luck with avg, mse, but as others have mentioned. It's most likely due to knowing how to avoid them in the first place.
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September 19, 2013 1:10:16 PM

DarkSable said:
Yep. Microsoft security essentials and Malwarebytes.


It's close to a year since you posted this combination of AV and Malware Detector.

I thought I would boost confidence with the readers by letting them know I completely agree with you and that I have used MSE and MB in tandem since 2009. A great one-two-punch for protection.

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