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June 15, 2005 5:17:21 PM

ok guys I realize this question has been asked but after reading alot on here some post say one thing and then other post say exactly the opposite. All i want to do is build a decent gaming rig. i was looking at the athlon 64 3500. maybe you guys can tell me if there is anything better. i don't have endless money but im not broke either so middle of the road. I don't know the difference between the different code names of the cpu's either. whats good whast not. confusing it is. I have OC'ed in the past and would be willing to now if need be. if anyone has any questions feel free to ask me. thanks again for everyones help!!!!!











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June 15, 2005 5:25:57 PM

I heard some people had success OCing a 3200+ Venice, but if you don't want to OC, the 3500 will do great for you!
The 3700+ San Diego with 1Mb cache is also a good choice, but a tad more expensive.

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June 15, 2005 5:45:48 PM

If you're going to OC the mobo is as important as the CPU the DFI and Epox with nforce 4 ultra chipset are good options.

List what "code names" do you have in your list and we'll give you the differences.
IMO Venice and San Diego are the best options right now.

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June 15, 2005 5:47:09 PM

also does anyone know of an actual chart that shows what amd cpu would be compared to an intel cpu. i just want for example. athlon 64 3500+ === intel P4 3.0. this is only an example but this is what im looking for. i have seen the cpu chart on here but it shows results of cpus from tests. hopefully someone will know of a good one.
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June 15, 2005 5:51:49 PM

<A HREF="http://www23.tomshardware.com/index.html" target="_new">chart</A>
I don't know if this is what you want or what you don't want.

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June 15, 2005 6:01:51 PM

actually i have already looked at that chart. i only would like to see a chart that states the amd blah blah is equilvent to the intel blah blah.

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June 15, 2005 6:12:03 PM

It used to be Performance Rating (the number with the + on the end). So the 2800+ would be comparable in performance with a 2.8GHz Pentium, but right now I don't know if that's true.
Intel went to a new numbering system.

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June 15, 2005 6:13:29 PM

No, the A64 model number scheme is different. I think it relates to the older XP ones, although I may be wrong.

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June 15, 2005 7:32:17 PM

does anyone else have anymore suggestions for what proc to buy for my new gaming rig.







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June 15, 2005 8:01:53 PM

For gaming AMD is king...So go with a 3200/3500 venice core or as stated the San Diego with 1mb is more expansive but can bring a few % more performance in certain apps..

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, Leadtek FX5900 w/ FX5950U bios@500/1000, 2X30gig Raid0
June 15, 2005 8:40:29 PM

I bought the 3500+ then gave that to my dad, and oc'd a 3000+ to 3500+ speeds. The 3000+ @ 2.1ghz 1:1 scores better in synthetic benches then the 3500. However, the difference in fps in my games with my 9800 pro (which is about the same as a 6600 gt) coupled with the 3000+ (stock) and the 3500+ were negligent.

The difference in fps between the different cpus is alot <i>less</i> different then the diff in fps between say the 6600gt and the 6800gt. So...go with a cheaper cpu and a faster gpu!!!

I have the 6800gt with the 3000+ now, and the difference is amazing. It runs all games significantly faster then my 9800pro with the 3500+ (like 50% faster in doom 3 and 30-40% faster in hl2).

F@H:
AMD: [64 3000+][2500+][2000+ down][1.3x2][366]
Intel: [X 3.0x3][P4 3.0x2][P4 2.4x5 down][P4 1.4]

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June 15, 2005 9:11:34 PM

I agree with apesoccer get a cheap CPU and a better video card.

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June 15, 2005 9:28:28 PM

I will put my sign of approval on this comment as well... for gaming always sacrifice a little CPU cash for extra GPU cash.
June 15, 2005 9:55:35 PM

It's hard to determine an equivalent for each CPU, as each have their strength in different apps. If your main purpose is gaming, AMD is your way to go. It can also crunch other apps quite fast.
No use spending a boat load of money for SLI or the cream of crop CPU. Pair a good GPU (say 6600GT or X800XL) with a good gaming CPU (any Venice or San Diego) and you're in for the ride!
PS: Go for a good nForce4-Ultra board, like Asus A8N-E or DFI UT Lanparty nF4 Ultra-D (others are also good, see motherboard & chipset threads), and decent RAM.

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June 15, 2005 11:24:09 PM

can you OC the 3700+ San Diego with 1Mb cache? I thought about buying that one. What would be a good Motherboard to go with it? whats everyones take of SLI versus's ATI's crossfire? I have been reading mixed reviews

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June 17, 2005 3:48:16 PM

does anyone have any positive feedback?



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June 17, 2005 4:02:40 PM

Its rather pointles to go with anythin higher than a 3500, its much more expensive and will bring you almost no performance in games. Even the 3500 might be overkill for games. If your confortable with overclocking, spend the money on better ram and you can get the same performance for cheaper (quite easily I might add).

Listen too the other posters(and me for that matter :smile: ) and save money on the cpu and buy a better vid card. You will see much more difference in games.

For Motherboard top recommandation are DFI/epox nForce4 mobo... DFI is really good when it comes to overclocking altough Epox is good if you dont go extreme.

As for sli/crossfire we have to wait to see more mature crossfire product to make a good call

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June 17, 2005 4:19:31 PM

Epox has good features and it's very inexpensive. DFI rules for OCing but Epox is not far behind.
In the CPU I think a 3200+ is OK in price and performance, anything above that the price goes up a lot more than the performance.
The nforce4 ultra are probably the best if you don't want sli

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June 18, 2005 3:37:42 PM

ok so im hearing that a 3200+ should be ok. just to throw something else out here. i do rip DVDs with DVD shrink and then burn them. occ i do some photoshop. would i still be ok with the 3200+ or should i go up 3500 or 3700. Also I was thinking about going the SLI route unless everyone thinks its a waste. i play anything from sports games to first person shooter, americas army, halo, doom 3.

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June 18, 2005 4:20:12 PM

The 3200+ should be fine, though it depends on your budget.
3200+ = ~$200, 3500+ = ~$275 (Venice cores), and the 3700+ = ~$335 (San Diego core).
For video, I would suggest 2 x Leadtek 6600GT
http://tinyurl.com/c3hqa
For $354 total, you should be without limits in speed...
For a mobo, if you're OCing, get the DFI...if not, get the Asus A8N-SLI (regular of Deluxe).
Might I also suggest a pair of new SATA II drives? They're fairly cheap and VERY fast!
http://tinyurl.com/7eeje

Cheers,
Charles
June 19, 2005 12:30:30 AM

ok so here is what im looking at then.

cpu

http://www.newegg.com/OldVersion/app/ViewProductDesc.as...

AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Socket 939 Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor

and motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/OldVersion/app/ViewProductDesc.as...

DFI "LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR" NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD 939 CPU Retail

then for video.

http://www.newegg.com/OldVersion/app/ViewProductDesc.as...

GIGABYTE nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit, DVI/HDTV, PCI-Express

all i now need is a good gig of ram (any advice) and a nice case (advice also). oh and what does everyone think about water cooling. im going to try and OC this puppy.

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June 19, 2005 1:11:33 AM

im not disagreeing with you rather questioning why should i not get a SLI motherboard and 2 videocards. i was under the impression that sli was very good for gaming.

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June 19, 2005 1:30:09 AM

something like this

GIGABYTE GV-NX68T256D-B Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card - Retail

and is there a chart that compares video cards

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June 19, 2005 1:56:28 AM

Any ideas of ram(OCZ, kingston, crucial, ect) and if i should water cool?

and if i forgot to say this before thanks for all the help



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June 19, 2005 2:09:22 AM

im confused. the motherboard i was looking at says this
RAM: 4x DIMM for Dual-Channel DDR 400/333/266 (Max. 4GB).
you suggested using OCZ PC4000 Gold VX 2x512MB (DDR500 PC4000). its not compatable correct? also you totally lost me on

"You have to check that they run 250Mhz @2-2-2-5 using 3.4V"

what does that mean. sorry im dumb when it comes to stuff like this



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June 19, 2005 3:40:54 AM

im still a little confused. i apologize. if the mobo says it will only take a certain speed of ram then how do you make this ram work? once again i do apologize.

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