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ahhhhh help??!?!?!?!??!?!?! calling starfishy!!!!!

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July 20, 2005 5:55:06 PM

on the verge of ordering i have noticed that in my mobo manual
( LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D) the ATX power thingy is 24 pins with an extra 4 pin connetor?????????????????? and on my PSU one it looks like <A HREF="http://www.enermax.com.tw/upload/clgcable0217.jpg" target="_new">this</A>????????

will it be compatable or should i get <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&pid=3383&mcid..." target="_new">this</A> ???


help starfishy???<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:02 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2005 6:00:31 PM

Wasn't starfishy helping you with the build?
He has that mobo so he can tell you for sure.

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July 20, 2005 6:01:59 PM

um i don;t think he is here or checking his priv msg so.....
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July 20, 2005 6:06:11 PM

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July 20, 2005 6:07:15 PM

The Enermax will work with your mobo. The 24pin connector with the detachable 4-pin is to make the cable compatible with 20-pin power connections.

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July 20, 2005 6:14:51 PM

easssy boy listen to rugger =Þ

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July 20, 2005 6:15:00 PM

oo so i stick the 20 pin connector into the big main slot with 2 pins on either side empty and stick the 4 pin one into the smaller side connector that is suppose to be for the +12 V power??

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:15 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 6:16:44 PM

huhhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh (dog panting style)
(run around like a headless fly and shaking head)
(drolls on the floor) woof woof woof

^.^
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July 20, 2005 6:17:39 PM

If the motherboard as a 20 pin connector, youd etach the 4 extar pins and thats it, you then connect the +12v in where it belongs..
If your mobo has 24pin connector than you DONT detach the 4 x-tra pin and thats it!

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July 20, 2005 6:19:27 PM

um difference between FDC and FDD connector for the floppy???
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July 20, 2005 6:22:01 PM

lost again...... (head titiled)

um <A HREF="http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/support_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=..." target="_new">here</A> is the manual...

can someone goto page 18 and tell me how do i connect the motherboard to the PSU???



in the manual there is a 24 pin connector (i counted)and then becide it is a 4 pin connector that is labeled as +12V power... and in my PSU picture for power there is a 20 pin connector and there is an extra 4 pin power connector... what i do????<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:23 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 6:23:41 PM

k im on it =)

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July 20, 2005 6:24:34 PM

thanks man (or women but i wouldn't know :p )

i'm even sweating here... (although this is more a familiy problem as that when i get nervouse i sweat..... (dad side) i hope i do better whn i ask someone out...)

don;t tell me i need a more expensive PSU.....<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:26 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 6:26:51 PM

ok you have 1 24 pin connector and the +12V connector, you have to use both of them.

DOnt split the 24 - pin just plug the long ass connector in it, then plus the other four pin right over it, simple enough no?

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July 20, 2005 6:28:02 PM

o ok so i have 1 24 pin connector that can be splitted into 20 and 4 pin connector and 1 +12V connector that is seperate? ok sounds simple enough
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July 20, 2005 6:29:49 PM

that would be man please =)
And uh looking at the pciture of your power supply, lets put numbers on the pics.
3 on top, 5 at the bottom.
so the one on the top in the middle is how you should connect the big connector.

than the one at the bottom left should also be connected right over it...

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July 20, 2005 6:30:19 PM

now i understand.... (smack head)

and now what is the difference between FDC and FDD??? as that my old mobo manual (a soyo SY-6VBA 133) says that the floppy connector is FDC, my new mobo says its FDD (i assumed that its the floppy connector as that its close to them IDE ports...)

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:33 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 6:30:34 PM

I can paint a diagram if you like and mail it to you =)

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July 20, 2005 6:32:36 PM

o ok lol ***************(email addr deleted)*********** i don't want to loose like 90 some dollar over this and most importantly make my dad think that i can;t do anything right..... (he sees my smallest screw ups and not my big successes.... my mom is the reverse though lol... she sees the smallest succcess and not my biggest screw up, sorta balance it out :p )

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 6:35:11 PM

Floppy Disk Drive and Floppy Disk Connector/Controller
Something along those line I guess...
And i mailed it =), now dont spam this address its at work =Þ

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July 20, 2005 6:36:02 PM

lol don;t spam mine its sorta my main now i must get rid of it :p 
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July 20, 2005 6:38:16 PM

hehe thanks, and ya wouldn't belive the trouble i went to get that Gmail accoutn and now ppl are giving them away for free (well almost as that ppl here are reciving them for the installiation of F@H)
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July 20, 2005 6:39:42 PM

I got 40 invites or so, had it for a year or so...if someone else wants some ask me...altoguh they shoudl fold!
Talking about that I should start it back heh!

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July 20, 2005 6:40:50 PM

o and BTW when i went and add my panaflo to cart it asked me if i need a 3 pin or 4 pin power adaptor or just bare wire??? what i do? i would think that i would need 3 pin if its just gona be BARE WIRES and i would have to hot wire them to the mobo?
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July 20, 2005 6:43:09 PM

Lol never hear of bare wire...

4-Pin is tobe connected on the PSU 4 pin molex,
3 pin is to be connected on the motheboard. Looking at the layout you have 5 fan connector so I guess you could just plug it on the motherboard.

My Vantex stealth fans cam with a 3 pin connector and a 4 pin adaptor....

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July 20, 2005 6:50:44 PM

WTF??? i called big foot computers and they said that the connecto is extra??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?? and that the XP-120 is about 1 month away from being delivered????!??!?!?!?!??! wtf???
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July 20, 2005 6:51:04 PM

well their so cheap they want to save money on the connector!!! pfft!

On my assus I ahve something called Q-Fan that adjust the fan speeds according to the temperature of the cpu, so i plug them on my motherboard.

My PSU also have some feature to modify the speed of the fan but I had special connector marked fan only...

I suggest 3 pin since you have many, youll be able to use your 4pin molex for something else!

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July 20, 2005 6:52:14 PM

ok lol... i think i try some other store and see if they got any
[pick up dusty yellow book]

well thanks for the help man i really appriciated it and now onto trying to pack thing for my gran to return to china :p <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 02:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2005 7:19:33 PM

Hey HolyLancer I thought I already answered this one. Sorry, I must have forgot, or just didn't send or something. But it doesn't really matter whether you get the 3 pin or the 4 pin. Both will work just fine. The 3 pin will go into the mobo, just make sure you don't buy too many fans with the 3 pin adapter or else you might use up all the mobo connectors. Both will work fine though.

I want to warn you one more time though... this is your first build and your first OCing experiment. I wouldn't expect to get it perfect your first build. Remember that with the money you are spending you shouldn't be going for any records here. OCing does take some skill (and luck) so don't think it will come easy to you... it won't.
July 20, 2005 7:21:01 PM

Remember also that I told you not to buy the XP-120... you don't need it.
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July 20, 2005 7:22:43 PM

O.o ok... guess i just go with stock? or with 90? or 90c? o and do i need thermal compound??? or do stock come with some??
and should i order the XP-120 as that it will take 1 month to get here (hmm lots ppl want it) so that i would have lots time by then to get my first OC up and running

BTW do the XP-120 come with thermal past gel or w/e?? or shoudl i get somethign like <A HREF="http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?S..." target="_new">this</A>?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 03:30 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2005 7:32:53 PM

The stock comes with some. But try to place the HSF good the first time, as you don't want to be waring it thin or else you will have to go out and buy some Arctic Silver.
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July 20, 2005 7:33:55 PM

hmm ok. so bascially i could get ther thing up to FX-55 speed stabily w/o even a special cooler??? (cuz its a 3200 and produce less heat?)
July 20, 2005 7:36:28 PM

I don't understand why you want the XP-120? Did someone tell you that you can't OC an A64 3200+ with stock HSF? Cause if someone did, please tell me who it was, cause I think that is BS. I don't think you need it. I think it is a waste of time, and money, and you are a newbie at this... you don't want to be throwing any parts in that will be more complicated than just the stock HSF. Don't bother with it, and tell me who suggested it to you, cause I don't think it is the right part for you.
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July 20, 2005 7:39:05 PM

<A HREF="http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAstore.pl" target="_new">Heatsinkfactory.com</A> is a great place for fans.

Fishy: No, I wasn't the one who suggested the XP-120. If i remember correctly he brough it up in another thread and has been wanting to get one as a "just in case" and to save on future shipping costs.

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July 20, 2005 7:43:50 PM

well starfishy look at my orginial very long thread and when i started asking about non-stock hsf thermalright was alawsy suggested (some are 90 some are 120 some are some weird one that looked like hege.... and used old techology not heatpipes)....

then again i didn't say that i was only trying out OC on new equipment there
o and on serveral other thread in other sections of this foums ppl recommanded the xp-120 not to mention the ppl at DFI forums also recommanded 120 or SKU something...

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 03:46 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 7:45:40 PM

The odd one was prob the Zalman 7700cu.

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July 20, 2005 7:45:46 PM

Man starfishy is trying to help.
At least listen to what he suggests.
I agree with him I OCd my 3000+ Winchester to 2GHz with stock HSF and I didn't go higher because I don't need it and I'm a newbie OCer. The 3200+ is better so you could get at least 200MHz with stock but I really think that you could get much more than that.

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July 20, 2005 7:47:46 PM

Rugger do you truly think he should be buying a different cooling solution? Honestly?

He has never OCed before... he is pushing his budget even at stock HSF, he has sacrificed good RAM at the expense of new cooling solutions so won't be able to reap good performance out of the OC any way.

And in answer to your question HolyLancer, I can expect you to get speeds of about 2.5GHz on the stock OC. Some people have gotten higher on stock but they are experienced OCers.

Edited to make it more realistic... I doubt a first try would be able to get 2.6GHz<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Starfishy on 07/20/05 03:50 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 20, 2005 7:48:11 PM

ok well i guess scaring the crap outa me dad with a monstrous cooler and succefully installing it it out of question, for now :) 
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July 20, 2005 7:51:16 PM

2.6 is good for me! now what kind of ram should i get with the newly budget? i get an up to date posting of the parts list
SKU ITEM QTY UNIT PRICE PRICE
2022 OCZ Dual Channel Premier Series OCZ4001024PDC-K w/ Heatspreader (2x 512MB DDR400 Matched Pair, CAS 2.5-3-3-7) 1 $139.95 $139.95
3890 Arctic Cooling 80mm Arctic Fan 3 w/Thermal Sensor 1 $5.95 $5.95
1903 Thermaltake 18" UV SATA Cable (Blue) 1 $15.00 $15.00
3878 Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 200GB - 7200RPM, 8MB Cache, SATA150/NCQ (OEM) 1 $139.95 $139.95
3561 AMD Athlon64 3200+ (2.0 GHz) 512k L2 Cache, Socket 939 (Retail) *Venice* 1 $235.95 $235.95
3126 eVGA e-GeForce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express w/Dual DVI, TV-Out (Retail) 1 $479.95 $479.95
3165 DFI LanParty UT nForce4 Ultra-D, Dual Gigabit LAN, SATA-RAID, Firewire, DDR400 (Socket 939) 1 $169.00 $169.00
3123 Enermax NoiseTaker EG495P-VE SFMA - 485W ATX12V v.2.01 Adjustable Dual-Fan 1 $88.95 $88.95
Subtotal: $1,274.70
Shipping: $29.95
Insurance: $12.00
GST 7%: $92.17
PST 0%: $0.00
Amount Due: $1,408.82

All Prices in Canadian Dollars


i can use a smaller HDD indefintaly so that can give an extra 10 CAD or so

for example one line this 737 Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 160GB - 7200RPM, 8MB Cache, SATA150/NCQ (OEM)
Availability: In Stock
$125.95 $125.95 <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 03:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2005 7:53:17 PM

You will find that the CPU is not the bottleneck anyway. If you OC the rig that I suggested to you up to 2.4GHz you will be happy. Spend any extra money you have on getting the best GPU you can afford. Don't waste money on HSF's, performance RAM, case fans etc... these are all extras and you don't need them right now. If you ever want to step into the world of extreme OCing then consider those things then... but for now, think baby steps.
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July 20, 2005 7:54:02 PM

well i think i got the best GPU i can get unless i cut back to IDE HDD, get a smaller PSU, and other things... then i **might** be able to afford a eVGA e-GeForce 6800 Ultra 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express w/Dual DVI, TV-Out (Retail)
Part Number: 256-P2-N377-AX
Available
(1-5 days) $679.00

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 03:55 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2005 7:55:28 PM

<A HREF="http://www.cpudatabase.com/index.cfm?action=search" target="_new">Here</A> is a link to what other guys have done with the 3200+. Remember lots of these guys are good OCers... so don't think you will hit the top of this list. Look for the ones that did it with stock HSF. There are only a few that used stock but they got pretty good OCs.
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July 20, 2005 7:57:40 PM

This is what I posted in the original thread
Quote:
The stock cooler is good for mild OC. If you want to quiet the system doan and still get a good OC, then you can get a thermailright XP-90C with a good medium-rate Panaflo (total is around $50-60).

That was after he stated that he had gotten more money for the build and there didn't appear to be a huge money concern. I didn't say "go buy this" - I told him that the 90C was an option and why.

Did I know that he was sacrificing better RAM for a different cooling solution? No - and I wouldn't recommend doing that with an A64.

Do I really think he needs to buy a different cooling solution? If he has to sacrifice better RAM in order to get it, then no. If he has the cash and wants a quieter system, then yes. I could list if/thens for an hour on this question, but I threw out the earlier option with the info I had.


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July 20, 2005 8:00:34 PM

yeah i was kinda posting incomplete information ATM... sorry

hmm what kind of ram shoudl i get then? or try to get? that is still short (the profile) enough if i feel that i wana go extreme OC with air?

<A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=category&catid=113&mcid=11" target="_new">here</A> is the list for dual channel ram

and <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=category&catid=112&mcid=11" target="_new">here</A> is the list for non dual channel

and i don't think that i want to go with diff place to sav on shipping unless i try my local shops...



i though ram wasn;t that important with OCing when i read that post about how cheap ram outperformed expensive ram and elite ram didn't benefit OC too much except on some water systems<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 04:06 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 20, 2005 8:06:19 PM

Sounds good... I think he has finally figured it out now anyway.
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July 20, 2005 8:10:50 PM

should i go for somethign like

Corsair TWINX1024-3200 (2x 512MB DDR400 Matched Pair, CAS 3-3-3-8)
Part Number: TWINX1024-3200
Available
(1-5 days) $209.00

or
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 (2x 512MB DDR400 Matched Pair, CAS 2-3-3-6)
Part Number: TWINX1024-3200C2
Available
(1-5 days) $189.00

or

Kingston HyperX PC3200 (DDR400) 1024MB Matched Pair Memory (KHX3200AK2/1G)


or
OCZ Dual Channel EL Gold VX Series OCZ4001024ELDCGEVX-K w/ Heatspreader (2x 512MB DDR400 Matched Pair, CAS 2-2-2-8@ 3.2V)
Part Number: OCZ4001024ELDCGEVX-K
In Stock $219.95


i'm jsut picking them out as theri price not ther performance though as that this is one part that i did not do too much thinking on (after reading that article that is...) i don't even knwo what CAS and them 4 numbers are....

and can someoen list a good sorta expensive ram so that i try that one with my dad first then i try a lower one that is still good<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/20/05 04:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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