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July 22, 2005 1:08:20 AM

3890 Arctic Cooling 80mm Arctic Fan 3 w/Thermal Sensor
Availability: In Stock
$5.95 $5.95

3603 OCZ Dual Channel EL Gold VX Series OCZ4001024ELDCGEVX-K w/ Heatspreader (2x 512MB DDR400 Matched Pair, CAS 2-2-2-8@ 3.2V)
Availability: In Stock
$219.95 $219.95

737 Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 160GB - 7200RPM, 8MB Cache, SATA150/NCQ (OEM)
Availability: In Stock
$125.95 $125.95

3561 AMD Athlon64 3200+ (2.0 GHz) 512k L2 Cache, Socket 939 (Retail) *Venice*
Availability: In Stock
$235.95 $235.95

3126 eVGA e-GeForce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express w/Dual DVI, TV-Out (Retail)
Availability: In Stock
$479.95 $479.95

3165 DFI LanParty UT nForce4 Ultra-D, Dual Gigabit LAN, SATA-RAID, Firewire, DDR400 (Socket 939)
Availability: In Stock
$169.00 $169.00

3123 Enermax NoiseTaker EG495P-VE SFMA - 485W ATX12V v.2.01 Adjustable Dual-Fan
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$88.95 $88.95

this is my system that i'm gona buy from anitec, i'm resuing my case, a 20 GB HDD, a sony cd/dvd/dl dvd burner and a IBM cd drive.

On a side note will anything short if i run my old PIII in a box? or on dog hair ridden carpet?



BTW do the OCZ can operate at 3.2 V or work at 3.2 V (i hope not lol...)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/21/05 09:24 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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July 22, 2005 1:29:25 AM

OCZ with TCCDs like running around 3.6V...

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July 22, 2005 1:56:26 AM

what are TCCDs??? help?
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July 22, 2005 2:14:39 AM

o and can i mount another CD drive on the opened up IDE port? or can i use my failing 8GB (quantium firball hehe my dad says that its being used for amlsot 10 years... says he had to pay an arm and a leg for it ATM, i woudl believe him i think most ppl back them didn;t even have 1 gig HDDs...) which my windows xp is currently install on
July 22, 2005 3:45:16 AM

TCCD's are a designation for ram chips, made by Samsung. They are reputed to be the best OCers, but require extra voltage to do it. It's for serious OCers, and carries a serious price tag.
You should get the x800xl instead, it will perform as well, sometimes better, others not quite as good as the 6800GT. Only because it's a waste of $100.
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July 22, 2005 3:49:17 AM

hmm i heard that the 6800 can be OCed to untra speed though with stock cooling, what are the OC capaibilityes for the 800XL on stock cooling
also i could get the Sapphire Radeon X850 Pro 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express w/DVI, TV-Out (OEM) how good is it in terms of lifespam performance and OC capaibility


and since that Anitec have horrible selection of ATI brands (only big one is saphier and even ATI have a small selection)
and what do OEM things have less? (i don't know difference except for box colour...)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/21/05 11:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 22, 2005 3:53:47 AM

And I heard that if you are able to OC the GT to Ultra, the lack of power becomes a problem. That's why the Ultra has an extra plug.
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July 22, 2005 3:55:49 AM

um extra plug? you mean the SLI 4 pin power thingy?? or is it on the card?
July 22, 2005 10:03:10 AM

The 6800 Ultra cards have an extra 4 pin molex connector, that should be connected to a dedicated line.
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July 22, 2005 11:07:11 AM

Endyen hit it on the head with TCCDs. You can put whatever you want on the free IDE...I don't know if I'd put my OS on a failing 8GB drive using 10yr old tech. Partition your HDD to make a dedicated area for the OS.

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July 22, 2005 1:00:42 PM

These VX are great just overkill...

Since we recommanded it in another thread I assume you cant get Value VX... What about Ballistix, that too I guess you cant grab them.

As for a 8 gig 10 years ago I suggest more like 5-7 years =)
10 years ago was 1995 and HD where around 2.5-3 gig back then. Thats pretty amazing when you look at it.

You could always run your old rig on a wood table or whatever, carpet really is electronics worst enemy! You can find a Box for like 25$, you can check for used case or whatever.



Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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July 22, 2005 1:09:01 PM

I thought I saw some Ballistix on the site, but I don't remember for sure right now. :eek:  If it was there and I don't remember it's because they were too much $ and the other OCZ was the better deal.

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July 22, 2005 1:14:43 PM

Umm thats too bad, you saw the price of these on newegg right soemthign like 90$ for 512 thats a pretty sweet deal!
And perfect for medium to a bit harder OC!

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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July 22, 2005 2:56:22 PM

well the good thing: about being a candaian, we don;t have bush
the bad thing: we got a government who really don't want to advance their techology even if we got the capabilities to do so....

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/22/05 10:56 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 22, 2005 2:59:34 PM

oh yeah, and the fact that we are all liberal hippies that don't know how to make a dollar and think everyone else owes us something... but other than that...
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July 22, 2005 3:05:41 PM

lol that would be the part where we try to protect our *heritage* and the governemnt don't offer any help to high tech industries and wanting to keep induestries like iron melting going...... i'd be surprised if i get to work in canda when i grow up....

IMO better education = better labout force = high tech industries = lots of tax $$ when they get big (help em out when they are starting or something...)
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July 22, 2005 3:08:36 PM

BTW how do ya think of my list now, starfishy? after you guys got through my skull about using a nice looking (or monstrous if you will :wink: ) i have chosen a better ram, now the question becomes can i use the 4 pin connector on my mobo to power the OCed 6800GT (or do my mobo even have one or is it only for SLI things (in mobo manual it wasn;t clear and it was saying that it is also for high end card as well so i assumed its gona be there)
July 22, 2005 3:48:03 PM

You can order that rig just like that... It looks good. You won't need any extra cables or anything. I think you have a pretty good looking rig there, you will be very happy with it I'm sure.
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July 22, 2005 3:56:53 PM

hehe gon up another notch in RAM.... after reading what the hell them number mean i got OCZ Dual Channel EL Gold Gamers eXtreme Series OCZ4331024ELDCGEGX-K w/ Heatspreader (2x 512MB DDR43, CAS 2-2-2-5@ 2.8V) so that the timming are a bit faster (5 in the end instead of 8) and runs at a lower voltage (more OC capabilities?) and its about 40 CAD more so i think i could handle it



and yoiu goto love their EVP program :p  <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/22/05 11:57 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 22, 2005 4:12:55 PM

Stick with the VX!
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2369&p=4" target="_new">Click</A>
Nothin overclocks better hehe.
2-2-2-6 all the way to FSB267!
You can keep this timming with 3.2v up to 250mhz! and 3volt will be OK for a while!

As for 2-2-2-5 vs 2-2-2-6 <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2369&p=3" target="_new">click here</A>

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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July 22, 2005 7:02:10 PM

um problem is that the one i'm getting is a OCZ Dual Channel EL Gold VX Series OCZ4001024ELDCGEVX-K w/ Heatspreader (2x 512MB DDR400 Matched Pair, CAS 2-2-2-8@ 3.2V)(PC3200)...
and the one you are refering to is a PC4000, its about 100 CAD more expensive...

is it worth it? i mean will bad ram be the bottle neck when i OC my video card to ultra speed (if it don't have any voltage problem that is)... if so i try and get the PC4000 and since i wasn't really looking at their names (just the gold plate lol) i kinda missed that it wasn't a VX one so i think i might as well go back the PC3200 or else try the PC4000 one...
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July 22, 2005 7:05:04 PM

o and one more thing:
the PC4000 listed at anitec have these specs:
OCZ Dual Channel EL Gold VX Series OCZ5001024ELDCGEVX-K w/ Heatspreader (2x 512MB DDR500 Matched Pair, <b>CAS 2-2-2-8@ 3.3V</b>) and on them review at stock speed its 2-3-2-6 2.6V 1T (Stock V)..... anitec screw up? they already empitied my cart a few times (server maintance my arse) and they mistyped the warrenty of the SATA seagate warrenty...... i had a fit about it about how SATA might not be as good as the IDE one because no warrenty
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July 22, 2005 7:07:49 PM

Well the thing is that this ram CAN run at this speed...Maybe OCZ chanegd their rating because of this . They where pretty conservative with their timmings!

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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July 22, 2005 7:08:37 PM

oic so is it worth the extra 100 CAD???
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July 22, 2005 7:09:34 PM

Extra 100 versus what?

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July 22, 2005 7:10:23 PM

the PC4000 VS PC3200 both el gold VX 4000 cost 100 CAD

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/22/05 03:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 22, 2005 7:13:18 PM

I would definitvly say no.
Your not an hardcore Ocer, im sure the PC3200 will satisfy you! You got a DFI so you can put 3.2V in it even 3.5 without voiding the warranty.
If you stick at DDR400 you can certainly run them at 2-2-2-X
wich will be plenty fast. Also the last number beign 5-6-7-8 will change a bit in benchmark but its not liek if youll notice it.
I think Pc3200VX will provide hours of fun and tweaking and are not likely to limit you at any moment!

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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July 22, 2005 7:39:31 PM

but i plan to OC it very heavy as i will be keeping this system for a longggg time... (my current rig is a PIII 550) although i wonder when i'm gona get a job (is it easier to get one with A+ certification (my school is offering courses as a high school credit ^.^) think in 4-5 years what kind of rig requirement is needed for it to run on low (most of my games are on low...)?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/22/05 03:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 22, 2005 7:55:19 PM

Well you saw a the screan shot at the end of the review at xtreme system?
280 memory FSB at 2-2-2-7. The guy had a 3500+ running at 2.7ghz, on air... Thats the best you can achieve anyways its not like a 2-2-2-5 will change anything for your games!specialyl at the speeds!

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
July 22, 2005 8:04:28 PM

This debate is turning into a rather useless one. Don't worry about spending the extra $100 on the "better" RAM. It isn't going to make a difference. You are not going for benchmarks you are going for performance. You will not notice the difference in game. As well, the RAM is not going to be the bottleneck, the video card is. I know that you are getting a 6800GT and you think that is very good (and it is), but the fact is that the vid card is still going to be the bottleneck. Maybe if you went SLI and had 2 7800 cards running you might not have a GPU bottleneck but in this case you will. You can't avoid it... if you are wanting to obtain high clock speeds and encode some things faster than it might be worth it, but you are measuring the "greatness" of this rig on how well it performs in the games you like, and none of this is going to matter. Pick the cheaper RAM and overclock this rig to the best of your ability... you will be happy with it, and so will your dad.
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July 22, 2005 8:12:11 PM

Amen...
But buy that VX 3200 :wink:

Asus P4P800DX, P4C 2.6ghz@3.25ghz, 2X512 OCZ PC4000 3-4-4-8, MSI 6800Ultra stock, 2X30gig Raid0
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July 22, 2005 8:58:05 PM

ok that setttles it save the $100 and when the time comes get Xp-120 or up to DDR2 AMD! (lol)
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July 22, 2005 9:09:16 PM

soooo can the 4 pin connector (for sli video cards) help when i OC GT to ultra speeds????? i dunno if my board has it (being an non-sli model), but i want to know when installing it...
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July 22, 2005 9:14:07 PM

o and do i need ram cooling? or is the stock (gold looking, coolllllll) good enough or better?? (i would liek to think better lol)
July 22, 2005 9:20:10 PM

Dude... you just gotta buy this system... once you have the peices in your hand it will all unfold for you. You are making this way way way more complicated than it needs to be. Just buy the sticks, you don't need active cooling on the DIMMS its overkill as well, just like everything else you are asking about.
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July 22, 2005 9:26:26 PM

lol jsut gona make sure and not get a lemon :)  (if you think this was bad try my dad when he is buying his new car.... we got a HONDA ACCORD in the end...)

o and i think i will need a case fan to keep the circulation up (remember 5 yr old case) so is <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&pid=2749&mcid..." target="_new">this</A> okay?

or should i go with <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&pid=3782&mcid..." target="_new">this</A>

or something cheaper but noiser like <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&pid=3890&mcid..." target="_new">this</A>?


or go with name brand like <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&pid=1356&mcid..." target="_new">this </A>

or with no name brand like <A HREF="http://www.anitec.ca/?mode=product_detail&pid=2590&mcid..." target="_new">this</A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/22/05 05:33 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 23, 2005 12:38:03 AM

I really like the 850xl right now for the price.. just me

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July 23, 2005 2:10:39 AM

nice sig :) 

and well i wish i could have gotten the 850XL but its 100 CAD more and that i founded out that the 850 pro only have 12 pipelines and the 800XL have 16 pipelines, i'm thinking about going with the 800XL but i try to find some OC review of each of these cards on some where i guess... anandtech?
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July 23, 2005 2:16:12 AM

o and my montor is a E74 IBM montior can it connect to my new video card?!?!?!? its says DVI out put.... what is that?? X.X

OMFG???????? it don;t even look like the my connector???!?!?!?!?!

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 07/22/05 10:21 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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