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July 25, 2005 8:54:01 PM

This will be the first cpu that I build. These are the components that I am going to use. (Still deciding which memory to get). Express your opinions.

ATX Computer Case
Thermaltake Armor VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: VA8000BWS $154.00

Motherboard
BFG nForce 4 Ultra Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: BFGRNF4U $109.00

Processor
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3700BNBOX - Retail $323.00

Video Cards
BFG Tech BFGR78256GTXOC Geforce 7800GTX 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail Model #: BFGR78256GTXOC $559.00

Memory (Which is better)
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model Twinx2048-3200c2pt - Retail
Model #: Twinx2048-3200c2pt $303.20

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Platinum System Memory Model OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K - Retail
Model #: OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K $263.35

DVD Drive
LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner Model SOHW-1693S Black - Retail
Model #: SOHW-1693S Black $48.00

Internal Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA II Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2500KS $125.00

Power Supply
Antec NeoPower ATX 480W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: NeoPower $99.00

Sound Card
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition 70SB035000013 8 (7.1) Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
Model #: 70SB035000013 $114.00

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July 25, 2005 10:11:18 PM

Oh yeh.. do AMD processors come with standard heatsinks??? or do I have to buy one?
July 25, 2005 11:53:57 PM

The retail chip comes with a good hsf. It will usuallt handle a 15% OC. To overclock more than that, an aftermark hsf may be required.
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July 26, 2005 1:48:30 AM

okay... so how do i begin tearing ur system apart?

case: let scott handle this one ;D

mobo: never heard of BFG makign mobos.. so so stick with a DFI/epox for a good mobo.. i like the ultra-D

cpu: look sgood

gfx card: looks good... prepare to be demolished by my r520!!! MWUAHAHAHAHAH...mwuahah...*tear*

Mem: okay, why 2 gigs? this is a gaming rig, if your gonna play WoW or something... 2 gigs is a waste of money... ppl see like a BIG improvement over 1 gig on WoW. but think about it, 1 gig is more than enough to load the game and all its parts, its just the speed that they are loading in... go for some fast ram, rated at ddr500/550 speeds with really good timing... as i said before, my choice would be

g skill F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE
search that on newegg or google, basically, ddr533 speeds, 2-3-3-?, but very good set of RAM

dvd drive: i dont' give a crap

hard drive: SATA2? wtf... i didn't know ppl support that yet, but its gonna be usesless, who cares if you have a gazillion gb/s bandwidth, when ur hard drive can only dish out 70mb/s... save some money and go for a cheaper SATA drive, or spend a few extra bucks and the the reliable RE version, or get a raptor.

power supply, you need more power than that.. .
please go with teh ocz powerstream 520w, or u'll be sorry!

sound card: blabh blah blah.. same old [-peep-], creative monopoly...

make sure you get some nice ass klipsh 5.1 speakers w/ that system too!

<font color=red>gforce mx100/200 @ 230/440 =]</font color=red>
July 26, 2005 1:50:15 AM

what title do i need to at least cuss? lol

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July 26, 2005 1:53:32 AM

If he is not going SLI, no way he will use the capacity of a 480 watt PSU.
Hell, a Antec True 430 watt will do, and that is what I have.

I am running a
gigabyte 8KNXP Ultra-64
Prescott 3200
2 gig Corsair 2-2-2-5 RAM
3 hard drives, 1 is a Raptor 74gig
ATI X800XT-PE
Plextor 712 DVD burner
ATI TV Wonder Pro
Floppy
PCMCIA card reader

So I would think a Antec 480 watt would run it also...

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July 26, 2005 1:56:40 AM

he has a 7800gtx, and plus, if he OCs, the ocz will serve him well.. trust me, if two identical systems were put to the test w/ these 2 different PSUs, ocz will go higher cuz of the very stable rails, not to mention ajustable rails.. lol

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July 26, 2005 1:59:13 AM

Maybe so, I just don't see it pulling anywhere near capping the NeoPower 480 watt, but more power will not hurt, that is for sure!

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July 26, 2005 2:03:49 AM

I did not think the 7800GTX does not require any more power than the 6800Ultra, at least according to nVidia.
Which is about what my ATI X800XT-PE uses roughly.

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July 26, 2005 2:32:00 AM

Masturbater, why is my case bad???
July 26, 2005 2:35:30 AM

Er is that case made for watercooling only or something
July 26, 2005 2:40:31 AM

<A HREF="http://www.directron.com/201tblk.html" target="_new"> Here is my case for rig I mentioned above and is $72 </A>

All aluminium and toolfree, with air filter and removeable drive cage and motherboard tray and three clear panels. No sharp edges for cuts on fingers either and mine came with 4 gold plated grilled case fans to boot.

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July 26, 2005 2:42:44 AM

Well darn haha, I guess that is an important detail that I overlooked. Do you have any recomendations for one that looks sweet yet works well?
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July 26, 2005 2:44:05 AM

1. PSU: <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Fortron Blue Storm 500W</A>
OR
<A HREF="http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product..." target="_new">Enermax 535W Whisper II model EG565P</A>
2. Case <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Antec P160</A>
3. Mobo: <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">Epox Ep-9NPA+ Ultra</A>
OR
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?descripti..." target="_new">DFI Lanparty UT nF4 Ultra-D</A>
4. <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682..." target="_new">OCZ 2Gb dual channel Platinum</A>
5. Onboard sound unless you're an audiophile and demand the BEST sound.
6. Vid card: <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681..." target="_new">XFX 7800GTX</A> faster default core clocks for less money.

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July 26, 2005 2:50:38 AM

How do you think it compares to the P160?

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July 26, 2005 2:53:34 AM

And how loud is it with 5 80MM case fans...

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July 26, 2005 2:59:56 AM

It is actually pretty quite. I think the filter and good construction help out.
The case fans are amazingly quite. I hear more the Gigabyte 3D CPU Cooler Pro since I keep it on 3500 rpm most times, but is nearly silent when throttled down to 2000 rpm.

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July 26, 2005 3:17:17 AM

Rich I was checking out your case. I plan to add a neon light or 2 to it. But other than that hopefully it will suffice. I am going to get it. Should I add a 60 mm fan?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Von on 07/25/05 11:28 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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July 26, 2005 3:21:21 AM

Sweet! What RPMs are they running, who makes the fans, are they controlled or 1 speed only and what is the rated dB level?

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July 26, 2005 3:28:27 AM

I think it is a great deal, I paid $120 for it when I got it for my build, but it came with 4 low noise case fans with gold plated grills.
You might want to verify how many are included now at this lowered price. It looks like only one fan comes with it and the gold plated grill is not included.

Looks like the gold grills are $0.99 each if wanted.



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July 26, 2005 3:30:46 AM

I believe they are Panaflow low noise, I ordered them off Directron's site with the gold grills. They are not lighted and single speed. But they are silent.

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July 26, 2005 3:34:26 AM

Sweet!

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July 26, 2005 3:41:30 AM

I was looking at the standard specs and I think it comes with those fans

Fan: Standard: 2 x 8cm (at front) + 2 x 8cm (rear fan) + 1 x 8cm (top fan). Four fans have golden fan grills that look great with the black surrounding. I/O Interface at front side: 4 USB, Audio ports. Dimensions (WxHxL): 8.25" x 18" x 19.75"/ 210 x 457 x 502 mm.
July 26, 2005 3:45:42 AM

Damn well that is a great price then! I know I paid close to $120 for same case.
It is very strong and good quality. And the black aluminum is very durable and I have no scratches on it, and none visible on the acrylic panels. The rivits are flush mount to, so that makes them smooth with the sides, no bumps.

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July 26, 2005 3:47:19 AM

why isn't scott answering the case question yet? lol

basically this is his point of view:

armor/kandalf cases are pathetic copies of the cooler master stacker
because:

1) horrible case design
2) worse performance compaired to the stacker
3) according to scott, it looks liek a piece of cow poo

its basically the bling vs performance issue... but i really don't give a crap, oh and did i mention the stacker comes with teh cross flow fans, which helps cool the mobo while you reach high OCs with phase or something

and the name is masturDEbat3rr

i debate

i don't jerk off ;D

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July 26, 2005 3:48:35 AM

i don't jerk off ;D
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIAR!

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July 26, 2005 4:06:50 AM

LoL masterdebator sorry, the wierd caps on ur name messed with my eye. And I am going with Rich's case because it looks sweet and has slide out trays!
July 26, 2005 4:10:24 AM

Even the power supply is tool free installation.
You can assemble board and add in cards on motherboard tray outside of case, then slide it all in through the back to install, then hook up cables and power.
You remove hard drive cage and install hard drives and slide it in.
And the covers for the drive bays are black aluminum also, instead of cheap plastic.

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July 26, 2005 4:35:48 AM

Now I only have to figure out which mobo to go for and which memory to go with...
July 26, 2005 5:55:58 AM

hmm... i was always against premodded cases... but i guess that one is OKAY-ish, well... dont' start complaining when u found that a guy was high when he modded urs!

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July 26, 2005 3:36:12 PM

$40 PSU (after rebate of course) a darn good 600w non modular cable powersource.

<A HREF="http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4490956?site=sr:SEARCH..." target="_new">Ultra X-Finity 600W</A>

Must purchace before the 31st. PS it is a high quality PSU on the order of the above mentioned PSUs.

edit: It is not modular cabled like the X-connect model

Dichromatic for your viewing plesure...<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Schmide on 07/26/05 08:44 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
July 26, 2005 3:51:41 PM

If you want a modular wire PSU

the <A HREF="http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4138923" target="_new">Ultra X-Connect 500W ATX</A> is also available with the rebate and under tests performed just as well. It costs $20 more but modular cables is priceless in a modded system.

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July 26, 2005 3:56:30 PM

<A HREF="http://www.coolerguys.com/840556018889.htm" target="_new"> This is more expensive beast! </A>

I have not used an Ultra, but have seen some complaints in this forum regarding them.

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July 26, 2005 4:08:36 PM

I have an Ultra X-Connect 500W ATX, and its much better than my Antec trupower 480 it had to replace. The former just couldn't deliver the juice and the modular cables look so good. PS I've had an Erenmax die on me as well so brand isn't everything. Most reviews I've read give the PSU praise, except it could be a bit more efficent. You'd be hard pressed to find a product out there that someone hasn't complained about. In the end its up to the buyer to read the reviews and make their choice.

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July 26, 2005 7:16:54 PM

The X-Connect 500W's wattage rating max draw - not continuous draw. I believe that all of the Ultra PSUs are rated on max draw. The two previous PSUs (FSP and Enermax) are rated at continuous wattage draw, are more efficient and will be more reliable.

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July 26, 2005 7:45:54 PM

Go with the DFI LanParty Ultra-D it is worth the extra few dollars over the Epox mobo. Most people right now are asking themselves "Why is Starfishy recomending the more expensive mobo? Isn't he a cheap ass?". And they are right... normally I am a cheap ass, but all of us would rather have the DFI over the Epox and this guy obviously has some bling to spend on this rig so hey... go for it!!
July 26, 2005 7:54:11 PM

That is what I like to hear, starryfish! ;)  It ain't about the moolah, all about the ride.

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July 26, 2005 9:08:39 PM

ASUS A8V-E Deluxe Socket 939 VIA K8T890 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

I was considering this... but should I go for DFI
July 26, 2005 9:09:47 PM

you should be slaped for recommending that piece of crap, i will say this one more time, fortron blue storm, ocz powerstream 520w, or if you want best of the best ,pc power and cooling 510w delux. kapeesh? no wimpy ol' power supplies that under volt and cause fires here

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July 26, 2005 10:31:56 PM

Stay with an nForce4 chipset. The DFI is the OCers wet dream and a great board...nuff said!

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July 26, 2005 10:40:07 PM

Everyone needs a little blingbling once in a while.

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July 27, 2005 12:04:57 AM

OCZ Powerstream 520W should be your power supply.
Those Ultra sound cheap and i'm sure their quality is too!
July 27, 2005 12:36:59 AM

The PSU is by far not a POS, although I never said it was as highly rated as some others. However, it is by far adequate enough for the system he is building and has the nice modular cables. I’ve seen a few of these running High end CPUs and 6800 in SLI without a hiccup.

Its ok to criticize but did you say start a fire? LOL. Not going to happen please cut out the FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt).

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July 27, 2005 12:42:17 AM

okay, the chances of a fire is low... but those modular connectors does make it a feasible threat. SLI really doesn't take that much out of a PSU, i'm sure it'll support it, however, the true tests of a PSU comes when there is

1) high temps
2) extreme overclocks

why? say your on extreme water cooling or phase cooling. and you up the vcore and vdimm a crap load. now, for your powersupply to not only keep up with the extra power, but hold the voltage steady is way beyond of what that PSU is capable of. so, in terms of those things, yeah its pretty much useless... but if you don't OC, you might get away with it.

did i mention 500w is like peak or something.. only can support it for a few seconds, plus, efficiency goes down a lot as temperature goes up.

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July 27, 2005 1:00:11 AM

By their own site they claim continuos 500w rating. However, I know it is not that high as tom’s noticed a drop off in voltage at full power. It is however good enough for overclocking as mine has held stable. I only have a Winchester 3500+ and a 6800gt so my power requirements are not that high, but it by far delivers better power than that Antec Truepower 480 I had in the system before. If you ever make it to a lan party you will see more than a few of these because of the modular cable design that is very friendly to case modding.

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July 27, 2005 1:06:05 AM

If your overclocking your P4 rig, and your PSU catches on fire, it just might cool your rig down anyway. Fire is cooler the molten. Is that bad?!?

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July 27, 2005 1:56:18 AM

so that explains why all the overclockers use OCZ/PC P&C

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July 27, 2005 4:03:29 AM

Yes, but mine is a cool 59 degrees

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July 27, 2005 4:24:37 AM

I really want to, but I have more and more practical uses for the dribbles of money I get lately... :( 

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July 27, 2005 4:57:18 AM

<b>ALL!!!!</b> Yeah you would never see them in the watercooled area of <A HREF="http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=71" target="_new">http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=71&lt;/A>. Do a search. You will find more than a few riggs with it. Most with good over clocks too. It’s a tradeoff, good looks for some performance. You could say that that case is not the best for overclocking. Or you’re never going to be able to fit a good watercooling setup in there. Sure the anal of the world will declare all shite except for what they believe necessary.

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