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Hi there,
I'm trying to replace three of the wireforms that attach to the micro
switches on my Indiana Jones machine. I have found where to buy micro
switches and wireforms (http://www.marcospecialties.com) but there are
many different types of wireforms and the manual does not list part
numbers for the different shapes. It just lists a standard part number
for the switch.

The wireforms I'm looking for (as labeled in the manual) are #17 -
Right return Lane, #56 Right loop top and #58 Right outlane bottom.

The wireforms are totaly mangled and so I can't use marco's pictures of
the switches that are labeled with lengths. Can anyone point me in the
right direction here?

Thanks,

K

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I can tell you what I do, and I'm sure a lot of others too. Form your
own switch wires, by buying the straight wire switches as found here:

http://www.pinballlife.com/page264.html

Look at "Sub-microswitch with 3" Straight Wire Actuator" if you want to
form your own. To form my own, I just hold the new switch's straight
wire next to the switch I removed from the pin and make bends (and
corrections) using needlenose pliars until the new wireform looks
"close enough" to the old wireform, then cut off the extra length.

That page also shows "Rollover sub-microswitch", which work fine if you
don't want to form your own.

Another option: you should be able to move your old wireform onto the
new switch (the wireform itself can be pried off carefully - don't
break the plastic nubs holding it on).

Note, you'll need to solder your own diode onto the switch. I've
bought bulk 1n4004 diodes for this (they're pretty cheap), but you can
de-solder the old diode from the old switch and move it to the new
switch.

You can get a set of 20 1n4004 diodes for $1 from Great Plains
Electronics here:

http://www.greatplainselectronics. [...] asp?cat=18

Good luck,

Brannon

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Thanks for the info, my problem is that the wire form itself is bent
completely out of shape to the point where I can't figure out the shape
it used to be. I know how to pry the wire form off of the the switch
no problem. I suppose what I was hoping for was someone with an IJ
machine to take a picture of their #58 Right Outlane Bottom wireform so
I can copy the shape. I have looked around the machine and it seems
that there is no other switch like that one for me to copy. Just my
luck that I mangled the "unique" wireform on my machine :)

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I know pinball collectors (and collectors in general) tend to get
"anal" about things, but the fact is you just need to put a switch in
there that performs the required function. In this case, as long as it
properly registers a hit when the ball rolls over it, you'll be fine!
You don't even need to know what the old one looked like - just bend it
until it works right.

YOU CAN DO IT!

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On 2005-09-22 08:00:54 -0700, "K Wilkens" <thewilkens@comcast.net> said:

> Thanks for the info, my problem is that the wire form itself is bent
> completely out of shape to the point where I can't figure out the shape
> it used to be. I know how to pry the wire form off of the the switch
> no problem. I suppose what I was hoping for was someone with an IJ
> machine to take a picture of their #58 Right Outlane Bottom wireform so
> I can copy the shape. I have looked around the machine and it seems
> that there is no other switch like that one for me to copy. Just my
> luck that I mangled the "unique" wireform on my machine :)

Do a search for the part number image. It might show up. I know that an
operator once took pictures of a great many of Williams/Bally wire
switches and published them in Star Tech Journal. I find that handy to
have around!

John :-#)#
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just flip out."

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The switch actuators are not normally sold separately.

The manual should show a 5647-12693-xx part number for each microswitch
that is listed on the "playfield switches" page of the manual; the xx
suffix is a code for the specific actuator shape used. Plug the entire
part number into Marco's Web site and you'll get accurate measurements
if you want to "bend your own" actuators.

You could simply buy the specific switch assembly (with actuator) from
Marco or Pinball Resource.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

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"The Manual should..."

The manual doesn't :(. It has 5647 numbers for some switches but not
the one I'm looking for.

Anyway, a nice guy from Switzerland offered to photograph his switch
from his machine so hopefully I'll be all set (thankyou Mr Wiestner).

Thanks again to everyone who replied, I'm sure a more experienced
person could have taken everything you said and ran with it. I'm not
that person :) I need a picture, someone holding my hand and ideally
and cool drink with an umbrella in it while working on my machine.

:)

K

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Well, it *does* list the assembly number (A-12688). That's a little
more work to turn into the switch number. The easiest way is to go to
the Internet Pinball Database (www.ipdb.org), type your game name in
the search box, and then click on the "parts list" link for your game.
The parts list (also known as the Bill of Materials) is a breakdown of
all the parts that were used by Williams to build your game.

If you search the parts list for A-12688 you'll find all the sub-items
that make up the particular assembly. Unfortunately, the IPDB is down
right now, but here's an excerpt of what you would see in the parts
list:

601: -2 A-12688 rollover micro switch assy 13
602: --3 01-8719 brkt switch mtg 13
603: --3 4002-01105-06 ms 2-56x3/8 p-ph-s 26
604: --3 5070-09054-00 diode-1N4004 1.0a 13
605: --3 5647-12693-19 switch sub mini micro 13

So, you need the -19 variant micro switch. Marco stocks those, as does
Pinball Resource. You'd simply unscrew the original microswitch and
actuator assembly from the mounting bracket and replace with the new
one.

The IPDB parts list is a very valuable tool; one of those things that
can help answer questions like this.

Tony

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too bad it's down right now because of the hurricane....

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wow, never knew about the "secret" parts lists. These pinball people
are sneaky :)

Thanks for showing me (kinda because it's down right now) a new
resource...

Now, one final question about thsi and I promise to put the matter to
bed:

How can you tell from that new parts list which 5647 number goes with
which switch location?

K

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Unfortunately, the parts list does not have any location information. You
can at times infer a location (as when a switch is part of a ramp
assembly).

However, the manual will always list EITHER the specific switch part number OR
the assembly number for a given switch number, so at worst you'd have to use
the parts list to get the 5647 switch number in the case of an assembly.

Tony

In article <1127469388.956241.147090@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "K
Wilkens" <thewilkens@comcast.net> wrote:
>wow, never knew about the "secret" parts lists. These pinball people
>are sneaky :)
>
>Thanks for showing me (kinda because it's down right now) a new
>resource...
>
>Now, one final question about thsi and I promise to put the matter to
>bed:
>
>How can you tell from that new parts list which 5647 number goes with
>which switch location?
>
>K
>

Reply to Anonymous

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Bay Area Amusements has a parts database online as wel, under "parts
lookup". Here' s the extract for IJ:

22 5647-12693-19 switch sub mini micro IJ
2 5647-12693-21 switch sub mini micro IJ
1 5647-12693-25 switch sub mini micro IJ
1 5647-12693-31 switch sub mini micro IJ
1 5647-12693-56 switch sub mini micro IJ

Yes, 27 of these things inh the whole game. I would guess the -19
variant to be the typical ball rollover, the rest probably belong on
the ramps.

Happ Controls has these switches as well.

One thing to avoid - don't but the DIY switches with the internal
hinge. They are the wrong rating for these games and yes, it matters.
These switches require a moderate current arc to keep the contacts
clean. The proper ones are gold and require no cleaning.

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