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August 2, 2005 6:42:23 AM

I'm talking about this whole computer hype I got when I wanted to get a new computer. Initally, I only wanted to spend $1000, but that eventually turned into $1500. It seems when its your first time, you don't relize you don't get exactly what you pay for. So I'm announcing that I'm going away with the bragging rights that, 'Hey, I've got money and I have the guts to spend it all on a computer'. I've decided to take the true path. I'm going to get myself a budget system instead and inch out the performance I can get. It seems that all this time I wanted functionality out of my computer rather than performance, but it seems that as long as the money was there, why not upgrade. Call it buyers remorse if you insist, but there is no reason not to go with a budget system if you're not in it for superior performance.

I sound like I'm mad, but I'm not. I'll see if I can sell my system for pretty close to what I paid for it, maybe even more. But I'm going a different route the next time I buy. I'm not dissapointed, I'm enlightened after all this time. Thanks for everyones help thus far.

850mhz... How fast are you?
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August 2, 2005 7:15:17 AM

I feel ya man. I initally wanted to spend around 1500 for my system but in the end it came up to about 2200 with monitor. I don't really regret it however becuase I like to learn from my mistakes. The only mistake I can think of is spending the extra money becuase its there. Lets give this thing a few years and then we can see if it a mistake. It is funny in that when you have the money you always say.. why not go higher? I was planning on getting a x800xl, then said why not get best ati and get x850xt pt? Then I decided to go bfg 7800gtx. :) 
August 2, 2005 9:31:29 AM

hey, just pick the <i>right</i> budget stuff and you can usually turn it into the mid-high or high-end stuff... i.e. overclocking/modding.... :evil: 

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August 2, 2005 12:07:05 PM

You bought $1,500 of parts and have assembled this machine? I understand frustration being first time build. Do not understand why you wish to sell and get lesser performing PC.
Seems to me, fix whatever problems you have, and keep it. It should be cheaper than trying to sell used parts and buying another rig.

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August 2, 2005 2:22:35 PM

I dont think thats what the problem is....Well atleast from what i got.

I think its more like he wanted to spend a grand and through advice of people or the little devil on his shoulder he spent 1500 and realized, once he put it together, that the computer has more power and speed then he really needed.

I take this more as a warning to some people building computers for the first time that a budget machine isn't a bad thing if you are doing tasks that dont require more power. You dont need a X2, FX, EE, or Pen. D to write e-mails and surf the web.

People always ask what you have for a computer/car and instantly judge if there car/computer if faster/better and taunting follows the judgement. Sometimes the small 90HP car that looks dorky is the best fit, and sometimes a slower cheaper computer fits.

I always like to remind my friends that not everyone needs a $2000 machine. Its all about filling the needs you have. I always say to spend money for something you want and dont be preasured into buying things you wont use.

A DVD burner isn't much more exspensive then a CD burner, but if you only burn CD's for your car and you know that you won't burn DVD's and have no need for it....then why pay even 1cent for it?!? yeah to some of us we would jump on a DVD burner for $5 more, but if you know you will never use it, thats a wasted $5.

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August 2, 2005 2:33:02 PM

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You dont need a X2, FX, EE, or Pen. D to write e-mails and surf the web.

e-mail is very processor intensive. I've timed it myself, and I can write an e-mail in 0.001 less seconds on my 2.5Ghz A64 machine at home, compared to my lowly P4 2.8Ghz here at work. I used a very accurate stopwatch, so the numbers aren't lying.

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August 2, 2005 4:54:51 PM

I know I wanted the feeling of being able to max out graphic details and up the eye candy, but I guess I didn't want to spend the extra $500 for what I saw as not that great improvement.

The only thing I don't have working with my computer is my computer is the internet. Once I get that fixed, I know many people that would be looking at getting a computer but don't know a whole lot about it. For getting the same system I have is going to be more expensive anyways, I may as well help troubleshoot for when they have problems and help them overclock it if they want. I mean I'll probably know this person on a more friendly base.

I wanted to play some of the current games like HL2 and Battlefield 2, but my brother has a hp computer with an XP 3200+ and a 6600GT that we installed, hes not having an problems with those games at all.

If anything I would have spent a little more money on versatile and functional things that would have made the computer an all around purpose. I had that in mind but ended up spending an extra $700 just on performance things (Graphics Card, CPU, RAM).

I like the fact that about 6 months ago, when one brothers friend asked me how fast the processor was, I had to look on the case and look at the specs and give him the RAM speed instead. I laugh at myself now. This whole experience is great and I think I'm going to continue with it. I was going to make some low end systems for a people and gain experience.

I don't like to learn from my mistakes if I can prevent them in the first place, so hopefully I can sell that computer. I was already pulling out $800 from my savings account and wanted to invest some of my money else where. I mean, things like great surround sound for $200, wireless keyboard and mouse, voice recognition, and video capture. Things like that are what I like to use and what have more purpose to me than performance.

Same with cars, I don't see the point of doing zero to 60 in 3 seconds if the cars looks great, then I could spend money on an audio system, a gps, a computer with all of my music, voice recognition for navigating, text-to-speech in the computer for reading news or whatever, and a touch screen for easy use. Or spend an extra $1000 on performance, yeah right.

850mhz... How fast are you?
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August 2, 2005 5:11:58 PM

I dig your feelings. Yeah, that extra boost of speed is very costly yet only noticable with enthusiasts, not your casual users.
Like everything else you purchase, you have to control urges to spend more here and there and step back from it and re-assess use verses need.
Actually, looks like you are learning some very impoprtant building blocks for a successfull future!

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August 2, 2005 8:39:58 PM

Brother Rich is preaching the truth! Poke, welcome to the THGC community of, as Wusy would say, cheap-arses. Wusy is the chairman of this particular CAS - Cheap-Arse Society. Build for the performance you NEED - not want. You'll save a lot of money and get nearly the same performance. Do what you want with the savings...

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August 2, 2005 9:53:35 PM

well poke i got a question for you, how long do you intened to keep this computer? I'm wanting to build, a new computer arount the end of the school year, and im planin on spending around 2.5K for the thing, but i plan on useing it for my main computer for about the next 3-5 years or so. So in my case i can justifiy the cost, because if you put $50 away a moth for 5 years you now have 3K to spend on a new rig, so in my mind its more about "How long am i going be able use this system with only minior upgrades and up keep?" well theres my 2 cents, take it or leave it its your choice.

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August 4, 2005 7:52:01 PM

I'll probably be getting rid of this thing in the next couple of weeks, because I wanted to get started on a budget PC instead.

I think I got some of my stuff picked out but I don't know where to start with what all fits. I wanted to play HL2 on the internet, maybe Battlefield 2, and leave room for overclocking. I had about a $600 system on mind, and I think I could easily get away with a 6800 agp, unlocking the pipes being a bonus. I needed help with the ram and processer. If I could get away with an overclocked sempron 64, what ram would I be getting if I wanted that solid overclock? I'm not sure what qualifies a processor as dual channel capable. I was going to keep the moniter and keyboard/mouse. Oh, and what PSU should be able to supply stable voltage for the overclocking? Most of this stuff will, obviously, be money considerate. I got the case and HDD pickout, but what would be a solid choice for AGP 754 socket Mobo?

I also wanted to leave room open for the following:
Voice recognition (needed to do some testing before I implemented it in a project)
Video Capture
Surround Sound (no intentions of getting a sound card)
WiFi connection
LAN Parties and LAN home Networking
Video output to TV for digital files
Media files on an external HDD for music storage and video
No intetion to upgrade for a long while due to the absence of a reason.
//These are what I would call functionality and versatility

Thanks for understanding my situation everyone.

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
August 7, 2005 6:01:59 AM

Alright, I got most of my stuff picked out:

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681..." target="_new">Rosewill MidTower Case</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681..." target="_new">DFI NF3 250gb soc754 Mobo</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681..." target="_new">XFX Geforce 6800 AGP Vid Card</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681..." target="_new">Thermaltake Silent PurePower 480W PSU</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1681..." target="_new">AMD Sempron 64 2800+ 1.6GHz soc754 CPU</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682..." target="_new">Seagate Barracuda 80GB SATA150 HDD</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682..." target="_new">NEC Black IDE DVD Burner</A>

This is the setup so far. The case may change if better ventilation be needed, but I don't want to go over $80 with the case. The PSU will probably need to be better, but didn't want to go over $80 with that either. Now all I need are the memory. An overclocking set of ram (2x512) probably for under $100. This whole thing should come out to be around $650-$700.

I found a bluetooth headset and need to find a dongle for it. I was looking at the Hauppauge WinTV 150 for a TV Tuner. Also looking at getting a 250-300GB HDD for music and video storage. I may save up for a 27inch LCD TV with the extra money I saved. I've got a couple I've been looking at but not sure if they meet my standards. I wanted one that had a response time of 12ms and a contrast ratio above 500:1. The key was to find something viewable from a distance and serve as a TV, yet find for cheap (sub $1000)
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682..." target="_new">SYNTAX 27" 12ms</A>
<A HREF="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite..." target="_new">Olevia 26" 12ms</A>

As for overclocking, I think I will replace the Vid card fan with an Artic Silencer 5. I'll probably stay with the stock fan/heatsink on the CPU.

Case 53
Mobo 94
PSU 58
VID 164
CPU 76
HDD 64
DRIVE 46
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555
+90 RAM
+30 VID Cooling
+40 Shipping
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715
+900 LCD TV
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1615 = about the same as my last setup

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
August 7, 2005 6:50:25 AM

Oh so you did go with the vanilla, I guess there weren't a whole lot of others that would fit your needs. So did you unlock the pipes and shaders with success? Which brand did you get, for $164 I thought it was a steal. Get some cooling on it and your on your way to a GT, as long as you get lucky with your draw, I've heard 400/800 were almost standard with air cooling.

Have you gotten the Sempron very far? What RAM were you running by the way?

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same interior

oh the case, my bad, thought you were talking about the setup. That was my second choice for a case though, the exterior anyway.

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pokemon on 08/07/05 03:02 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 7, 2005 7:15:30 AM

I'll probably stick with this one, I think its the coolest looking case out there.

/edit
damn, I better be ready to get pwn'd by a link.

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
August 7, 2005 7:58:50 AM

I've seen that case before. And even though Wingding could be out and about, I actually think the case looks...
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poopy

But if it makes you feel happy, I don't think you really stole that phone.

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
August 7, 2005 8:37:45 AM

Actually, I think I know what I'm doing. Thanks wusy, you are my savior.

[Javascript Automatic WingDing Comment]"Its either this end or no love at all."
850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pokemon on 08/07/05 04:47 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 7, 2005 8:38:12 PM

Looks like I'll probably be staying with most of the same stuff, still looking for RAM though. I just wish newegg would still have some of that nice OCZ overclocking value ram for about $100.

I'm going to look at some of the local shops for the LCD TV though. I think I could get one of the selected ones for about $750. Maybe I could get my friends discount for one there :smile: . Oh, and by the way, for a response time, I'm going to want at least 12ms if I wanted it for HalfLife 2 and BF2 correct?

Overclocking should be easy this winter. With temps below -10 degrees C, I just have to find a way to harness the power :evil:  .

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
August 7, 2005 11:08:49 PM

Do you think you could share some of this 'pr0n' you speak of?

Then we'll be even, as I did just help you.

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
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August 7, 2005 11:28:26 PM

O.o get some p2p.... i recommand s*h*a*r*e*a*z*a*... ***don;t want to get into trouble......****
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August 7, 2005 11:34:20 PM

i thought that 1 gb even at a slower speed (PC2700?) will be good and that if ya want ya can OC them?
August 7, 2005 11:50:21 PM

I was hoping to get over 280MHz on each, with loose timings.

I think I'm going to go with the neopower PSU instead of that cruddy thermaltake one.

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
August 9, 2005 6:26:22 PM

I take that back, I'll take the PC4000 VX ram in my old one and throw it in the new one. Then get some of that Rev3 stuff and throw it in the rig I'm selling. Hell, they aint going to be overclocking :evil:  .

850mhz... How fast are you?
<A HREF="http://www.big-boys.com/articles/leeroy.html" target="_new">Leeroy you phenom!</A>
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