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August 22, 2005 12:53:17 PM

Hey, what's a good tool for checking for throttling? a friend of Mine has a S478 3.4Ghz Prescott, and the thing's hitting 80C.

He's recently been having a few - fairly minor - performance drops, whereby it just seems to hang there for ages and do nothing before coming back to life.

The only thing that's changed is that he's recently started doing a lot of video encoding, so is obviously stressing the system a bit more.

If I run MBM5 or CPU-Z on a P4 that's throttling itself, does it report a lower speed, or not? I would guess not, since the 'throttling' just consists of it skipping cycles - not <i>actually</i> going any slower.

Are there any other tools around to check for throttling?

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August 22, 2005 2:40:26 PM

I use a program called <A HREF="http://www.panopsys.com/Downloads.html" target="_new">ThrottleWatch</A>. It's quick, easy, and to the point.

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August 23, 2005 12:01:15 AM

The idea that a friend of chipdeath's has a scotty @ 80c is not about to cheer me up. It's actually depressing.
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August 23, 2005 12:26:27 AM

is he using the stock thermal goop on the HSF or thermal paste? perhaps take a look at the condition of the HSF and perhaps re-apply (remove the old goop first ofcorse) some thermal paste like arctic silver v and see how thing go.
August 23, 2005 2:35:46 AM

Im sure ChipDeath would have never thought of that one. BTW, their is nothing wrong with the thermal material that intel uses. In fact its very good.

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August 23, 2005 6:29:29 AM

Iv heard its great stuff, im just a little sus how hard it is like if its moved or something it might work against it or not work as it should where as thermal paste is like a propper goo that can be reshaped and wont be bothered by the HSF being moved / removed.
August 23, 2005 8:57:34 AM

FYI, the intel TIM becomes more pliable with heat. It is fairly self repairing, and has great thermal conductivity.
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August 23, 2005 9:14:34 AM

would you like fries with that, pops?

All i was saying is that it becomes almost useless when the hsf is removed since its been melted into shape and when you reinstall the hsf it wont work as well where as thermal paste can be reworked.

Whats the big deal anyway he wants help not BS arguments - instead of being SHT give someone some help pops.
August 23, 2005 9:29:09 AM

It's not a PC I've built, or even had much input in. It's a Fujitsu PC that he got through a scheme at work. It was actually an OK deal at the time (basically around 50% off what the price should've been for those components).

Neither he nor I have ever removed the HSF, so I have no idea on the TIM questions. The HS is the same 'radial' design as the one scotty system we have here (at work), so I think it's the Intel stock one. If not, then it's some bulk fujitsu cooler (which would explain the high temp, even for a scotty).

He knows he needs to cool it down. He's going to get a new cooler come payday(end of this week or early next week). Probably an XP-120 or something in that league. He's also possibly getting a new case with better cooling (he could do a lot worse than an Antec P-160 like mine :evil:  ) So things will improve. He'll also have me helping for all that stuff, so he's well screwed now. :smile:

Anyway, he sent me a IM last nite when I wasn't about, but apparently he's run throttlewatch and it claims that Throttling is 100%. I thought that probably was 'ok', but having just launched it on my work PC (a P4C 2.8) I now realise it's not. Very not in fact. I'm suprised his house hasn't burnt down!

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August 23, 2005 10:47:59 AM

Ive seen temps drop 10c buy changing cases. Also, tell him to order a cheap notebook CPU fan. They are only a few bucks and will fit the NB. It gets hot also.

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August 23, 2005 11:04:33 AM

I know what a decent case can do. My temps have dropped loads now I have the Antec P-160. I used to get between 46 - 50C load with my Winchester @ 2.5Ghz/1.43V, but now get Max of 41-42C @ 2.6Ghz/1.46V. (2.7 may soon be on the cards... :evil:  )

Will consider the NB fan idea, but since it probably won't be overclocked (BIOS had no options - will see if there's a non-fujitsu BIOS that does at some point) I'm not too concerned about it for the moment.

Oh, and being British, I have an excellent sarcasm-radar, so I picked up on the cooler comment. No Worries :wink:

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August 23, 2005 11:18:25 AM

I haven't played with VDD yet. IIRC my mobo/BIOS as it is gives me another .1V To play with.

The one thing I would like is more Vmem. 2.8V is currently max, and the board undervolts slightly so it's about 2.78 or so :frown: . Not sure if a new BIOS is available to fix this.

I haven't gone soft, but I have gone a little more lazy :lol:  .. I like to just use it normally for a week or more after passing all the 'normal' stability tests, before I push further.

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August 23, 2005 1:40:59 PM

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where as thermal paste can be reworked

<i>Normal</i> thermal paste, sure. Advanced stuff like the Arctic Silvers, to my knowledge, you'd be suffering if you reused them. The Arctic Silvers go through a setting process where the conductive molecules in the paste align themselves for optimal thermal conductivity. So should you try to reuse the paste after that, you've lost that advantage and might as well be using any cheap TIM at that point.

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instead of being SHT give someone some help

Personally, I consider correcting misinformation exceedingly helpful. Perhaps instead of wasting time getting huffy when someone knows more than you, you should just thank them for the opportunity to learn.

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August 23, 2005 2:13:36 PM

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Personally, I consider correcting misinformation exceedingly helpful. Perhaps instead of wasting time getting huffy when someone knows more than you, you should just thank them for the opportunity to learn.

Couldn't agree more...

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August 23, 2005 6:22:02 PM

Lol!...

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August 23, 2005 10:43:31 PM

Tushay

yet again we havnt helped anyone here
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August 23, 2005 11:24:12 PM

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would you like fries with that, pops?

Exactly how did that statement help anyone?



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August 24, 2005 1:39:17 AM

Well little boy, you can call me gramps if you like.
The fact is that a little TIM is not going to do a whole h3ll of a lot about 20c. On the other hand, if you dont know who chipdeath is, find out before making really stupid posts.
August 24, 2005 10:13:18 AM

*throws Popcorn* Fight! Fight! Fight! :evil: 

Well, he's basically decided on a Scythe Ninja Cooler and an Antec P180 case. Looks like a pretty good (if a little expensive) Solution. I'll need to tell him to get some fans too.

<A HREF="http://www.silentpcreview.com/article255-page6.html" target="_new">Here's</A> a Review with this combo, if anyone's interested. I'll have to look into whether he'll have issues with routing the PSU cables properly though - I don't know how long his cables are, and his main 20-pin connector is up on the top-right of the mobo so it might be a stretch. He is intending to get a new PSU, but of course it'll be nice to get it working with his current one first.

Due to the 2 separated chambers in the case, I think it may be very worthwhile to switch the fans over, so the intake is at the back/top, and exhaust at the front (that way HDDs can be mounted in the bottom chamber with air flowing over them and out past the PSU). I'll test that I think. I know mozzy uses this config, but I've always preferred the 'classic' scenario, as the HDDs get the cool air first. With this case though, I can see it giving real benefits with no drawbacks. :smile:

I'll be interested in seeing the differences between the P-160 and the P-180...

On a side note, god all this green underlining s<b></b>hit is irritating. I might have to actually download the firefox plugin stuff to make it leave me alone... :lol: 

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August 24, 2005 12:56:17 PM

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*throws Popcorn* Fight! Fight! Fight! :evil: 

Just so long as no one throws any hard candy!

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Well, he's basically decided on a Scythe Ninja Cooler and an Antec P180 case. Looks like a pretty good (if a little expensive) Solution. I'll need to tell him to get some fans too.

Expensive, but stylish <i>and</i> sweet. I love Scythe. They're a pretty cool (all puns intended) company. For me it was a real toss up between the Scythe NCU-2K series or the Thermaltake SonicTower. (Though in the end I went with the SonicTower.)

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but I've always preferred the 'classic' scenario, as the HDDs get the cool air first

Not to mention that if you've got a case with air filters, reversing the air flow not only makes them useless, but if you don't remove the filter it can even hinder your exhaust as it fills up with dust. :o  Bad bad bad. Of course, if you don't <i>have</i> filters...

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On a side note, god all this green underlining sh<i></i>it is irritating. I might have to actually download the firefox plugin stuff to make it leave me alone...

No flirking shiznit is it ever annoying! So, how do you use Firefox to block it? (Because that sounds like a good route to take.)

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August 24, 2005 1:06:47 PM

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Tushay

Are you inviting Michael Jackson (or Wingy) in for a romp? Or are you trying to say touché?

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yet again we havnt helped anyone here

Do you have a split personality or something? Because you can only be talking about yourself with that statement. <i>I</i> was the one to provide a link to download software to monitor the throttling. Further, <i>I</i> have been providing actually informative information in comparison to your disinformation. And finally, <i>I</i> have also been providing help in not only this, but other threads as well.

And you have done what again? Oh, right, you've gotten everything that you've tried to say wrong. Very good then. Keep up the bad work while berating other people for not being as helpful as you are. I wouldn't want you to break your Hypocritical Oath.

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August 24, 2005 1:08:18 PM

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Tools->extension->get more extension.
On this page AdBlcok is among the first, most popular extension.

You can add all these!
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www.vibrantmedia.com
text.burstnet.com

And adBlcok actually supports wildcard so *.vibrantmedia.com / *.intellitext.com would do it!

Other extension I reccomand:
IEView, customize google and mouse gesture!


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August 24, 2005 1:22:51 PM

Damn sweet! Domo Arigato!

Leave it to the freeware/open source world to kick arse yet again!

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August 24, 2005 1:28:50 PM

Cool. I'd read about that somewhere else but you've just saved me the effort of actually having to <i>look</i> anywhere...[/lazy git]

Cheers!

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August 24, 2005 1:51:14 PM

you can actually put these site in yout HOSTS files
c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc\hosts (might be windows not winnt....hehe)
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That will stop them in IE too!

And adblcok si nice it does remove almost all ads...

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Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 1:51:43 PM

Always a pleasure!

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August 24, 2005 2:25:12 PM

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you can actually put these site in yout HOSTS files

**ROFL** That's a weird way to do it, but yeah, that'd work, assuming it doesn't cause any badly written web pages to hang or crash from the 404s. It's deviously brilliant.

Heh heh. I doubt that M$ ever intended the hosts file to be used that way though. :evil: 

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August 24, 2005 2:54:35 PM

Well its pretty clever hehe. Usually, the way it works, when there is a DNS request, It first look in the cache to see if it already translated this address, if its not there, then it looks into the HOSTS file, if its not there than it ask your specified DNS if they know the address, then if they dont know it, they go ask the top domains DNS and so on...

So you really stop them at the source wich is rather nice and really fast! And I never got any errors since its like if the intellitext server was not responding so it just doesnt highlight any stuff and the job is done!

I really suggest AdBlock, really nice extension, everytime a ad pops up, there's a little AdBlock tab over it and if you click on it, you can specify to block it! And the use of wildcard stop their other vairants to popup really slick!

Oh and screw MS, its MY hosts file :wink:

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Anonymous
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August 24, 2005 3:03:49 PM

THis thread as officially been hijacked!
w00t!

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August 24, 2005 3:21:45 PM

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Oh and screw MS, its MY hosts file

At work it's my sysadmin's host file. :(  There are a number of things that our 'backup' and 'update' procedures screw around with ... much to my disliking. It's great for the typical user that isn't even smart enough to set up Windows Update, but it's hell on the few skilled folks.

Ah well. Such is life.

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August 24, 2005 3:24:39 PM

Thinking of that nice little adblock, maybe someone should start two polls:
1) How many THGC users detest THGC being corrupted with these damn green keyword ads?
2) How many THGC users are <i>blocking</i> these damn green keyword ads?

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August 24, 2005 3:26:39 PM

nooooo! My Beautiful, pristine, unsullied thread has become... Well... "Sullied" I guess? :lol: 

*holds head in hands*

Seriously though, the thread pretty much served its purpose with the first reply. It's fitted the 'Standard Thread Life Cycle" Perfectly(The majority of threads always go this way):
1)Question Asked
2)Question Answered
3)Inane, Wandering, vaguely On-Topic conversation
4)A spot of Intel Bashing
5)Completely Off-Topic conversation

Now, it's going to go through (6) - a little more off-topic stuff, and then gradually die.... *sniff*

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August 24, 2005 3:29:56 PM

It's Ok Chippy, it's had a good healthy life and just needs to be laid to rest. It's tired and ready to be put to the pasture. There'll be another one just like it in a bit. It's probably already been started and is just waiting for you to enter...

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August 24, 2005 3:47:53 PM

Hehe, I know what you means, the trick is too be the sysadmin :wink:

LOL@ the thread life cycle, especially the intel bashing part! Im surprised no one commented in my Intel's new architechture thread, I'll add a little content see if sparks up some discusion. People just dont seam to care!

Go take a little trip in the other section theres liek 3-4 thread about this and one is pretty big! throwing a pole might be intersting thought!

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August 24, 2005 3:54:19 PM

Alright. I've made the polls <i>and</i> voted. I think that meets my THGC Minimum Entertainment Provision quota for the day. Although it's been a while since the Silver Phoenix Group did anything off the wall, like an interview with a troll or new lyrics to a familiar song...

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August 24, 2005 4:00:04 PM

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nooooo! My Beautiful, pristine, unsullied thread has become... Well... "Sullied" I guess?

*holds head in hands*

It could be worse. :o 

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Seriously though, the thread pretty much served its purpose with the first reply. It's fitted the 'Standard Thread Life Cycle" Perfectly

That's an interesting notion. I never thought of them as having a definable lifecycle. But you're right. :o  Though maybe I'd modify the lifecycle slightly...

1)Question Asked
2)Question Answered
3)Inane, Wandering, vaguely On-Topic Conversation
4)A spot of Intel Bashing
5)Completely Off-Topic Conversation
6)Thread Dies
7)Thread Brought Back To Life: GoTo 3, 4, or 5

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August 24, 2005 4:06:28 PM

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Hehe, I know what you means, the trick is too be the sysadmin

**ROFL** I've had some experience there. Lots of overtime. Lots of annoying people who can barely tie their shoes trying to use something as complex as a computer. Lots of hardware and software being as fallible as can be humanly achived. And everyone you deal with being upset constantly.

No thanks!

I think I'm happier being a software engineer tucked away in the corner of a dark room where people fear to tread and I'm protected from random intrusions by trained grues, a moat of scalding coffee, and people's prejudices. :evil: 

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August 24, 2005 4:11:36 PM

Hah! Even if I like programming, I dont think its for me! You dont need to like it, you need to eat the stuff to work in this field. Well thats my opinion. I'd rather stick with the network part, lots of power there too. But like sysadmin lots of overtime and dealing with stupid people altought I think there is a bit less dealing with them. You mainly deal with server people and such who usually know there stuff...too some extend...

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August 24, 2005 4:23:57 PM

Just work for a little company. My job <i>officially</i> is a Software developer, but I'm also in charge of hardware (troubleshooting, speccing new hardware, upgrading/building customer Systems...), Network and Server Administration (Router Configs, Wireless stuff, etc), do quite a bit of support...

Quite varied really. I've been here so long, and have my hand in so many different aspects of the job that I'm almost irreplacable. Certainly the company would suffer <i>badly</i> were I to leave...

<i>Damn</i> my loyal niceness that stops me from saying "And extra £15K, or I go, and you're screwed" to the boss... :eek:  But then it's not like they pay me badly I guess. :smile:

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August 24, 2005 4:56:28 PM

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You mainly deal with server people and such who usually know there stuff...too some extend...

Well that's not so bad then. It might not even be such a bad career move for me to consider if that's <i>paid</i> overtime. :) 

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August 24, 2005 5:24:13 PM

ChipDeath, you just damn near described me exactly. My job title is officially Software Engineer (I'm going to push for <i>Senior</i> Software Engineer this year), but I do a lot of hardware testing and benchmarking as well as inner-office upgrades too.

I used to be responsible for some hardware specs and working with our primary OEM, but they pissed me off and I made the mistake of telling the truth instead of being political. :o  Now I don't have that responsability. Which actually, I'm thankful for, because I hated that company. They're rip off artists and snake oil salesmen. I couldn't stand trying to fight with their sales folks to spec a PC for a fair price. Of course, I would have been the <i>only</i> employee in our company knowledable enough about PC hardware to even know that's what they were doing. So we no doubt way overpay for our PCs again. That's what I get for trying to save the company money and spec PCs to best meet our needs.

Actually, I made a similar mistake (though this time innocently) by suggesting that communication with my own company's French branch might be less than ideal and asking the folks at the French branch what we can do to improve it. They promptly went directly to the <i>head</i> of my branch (not me, not my manager, not his manager, not <i>his</i> manager, etc.) and proclaimed how insulted they were that I suggested we had communication problems and demanded that I no longer be a point of contact. Yeah. No communication problems to work on improving <i>there</i>. That's what I get for trying to improve productivity.

So you'd think with my damning flaws of trying to be helpful and speaking the truth, I'd be losing responsabilities. But no. I seem to pick new ones up much faster than that.

Though luckily my network administration responsabilities are pretty much limited to maintaining the software engineering department's R&D network cameras and printer, and replacing bad network cables every time one of our scientists breaks them. (Mostly they just break those little clippies, but then they blame the latest software version for their network failing and <i>not</i> the slightly unseated network cable in the back of their computer.)

But I also have my hand in so many different things. And a fair number of them no one else has any hand in, nor a clue how to get started. So that lends me a fair bit of job security. They'd flat out be screwed if I left.

But I'm too damn nice to actually leave. They're grossly underpaying me now. In the past I've pointed out how other jobs that I could apply for are paying more. But I've never actually threatened to leave.

Of course, I may have to leave sooner or later anyway. I commute over 80 miles a day because the long commute used to be a lot more affordable than living in the vacinity. With gas prices are they are now though, I can barely afford to drive to work anymore. Between the hours and the costs, I've actually almost reached the point where riding a bike to a local full time job of general factory work along with any local part time job would actually be a better standard of living for the same number of hours that I'm not at home. Damn Dubya.

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August 24, 2005 7:13:54 PM

Coolness. :)  A big thumbs up and thank you.

And I'd say that I hope you said nothing bad about me in it (since I don't go to the Other-Other section anymore) but actually ... if you did it was probably deserved. :o  He he he he he.

(Err ... umm ... I think I've had too much coffee today.)

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August 24, 2005 7:29:09 PM

Muhahah! Third coffee not too bad hehe!

I mentionned it in the fata** thread about the grennie stuff too! And I also I descrited myself a bit for the blocking ebcause I saw it somewhere in the other and investigated a litttle myself...I was just passing along the info, from the bottom to the top =).

Anyhow, some1 PMed FREDI and he might see the Poll and that might change thing a bit =)

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