To AllTaken and all Idealists

Hi there Wingy.

How's it hanging bud?

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Yep, exactly.

That's without doubt the longest post I have ever made here at Tom's.

Just a little tired of insults from people that would plead for the US to rescue them if necessary.Seems just a tad two faced to me.

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Russell dont you know anything? Its the Sheep thats going to be the end of that country. Everyone knows that they have the best sheep shagging money can buy [/vomits violently] {/Dry heave]

If I would have shot you when I had the chance, I would be out by now
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sorry i think its funny you find me an idealist.

i am mearly idealogical in your eyes because i come from a culture far different from yours. My ideas and thinking is the norm over here, infact all you see around (at university, friends, family, news, blah blah) is pretty in line with what i think.

you know our country offered its support to you after 9-11. that is fine with me, that is cool. i wasn't super happy about it, but in the end it needed to happen for a number of politcal reasons.

you know what single move made everyone (all these old allies of yours) not like you? it was called Iraq. you realise that most of these countries that "dislike" the US now gave their full support for afganistan.

just because we are not your puppets doesn't mean we are idealogical, it mearly means we are not blind sheep that cannot make their own decisions.

face the fact that the world is a group of individual countries that are capable of making their own mind up about things, then you might realise that the US's way is not the only way, and you might realise that for all the US's might it really isn't the king of the world.

once you realise that you will realise that co-operation is the only way to surive this world without getting millions killed, and co-operation happens on all countries terms, not just the US terms.

sorry but your post is pretty short sighted.

BTW i i judge the US soley by its actions, when the US starts to act reasonable (as an entity) then i will change my opinion of it. but all i have seen in the last 1.5 terms is real negative. you have the ability to earn real respect (not just fear) back for your country, but it ain't happening in bush's term.

its kinda funny that you are still wondering why 80% of the western world looks down upon the US as an agressor now. there must be some truth to it if the numbers are that high. if there is no truth then theres gotta be a damn smart proparganda organisation trying to destroy the US LOL (what a joke)

Alltaken

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I am so sick of your whining punkass...You are nothing but a chain yanker. You are not hip or wise or intelligent in world matters. You are just a weakling that stands behind a fence and throws rocks from hiding. I imagine that you'd be the first to spit on returning soldiers from Viet Nam. Youv'e paid no dues of any kind. All you do is sit in your so called "mudpuddle" and make nasty comments about my country. Well you named it right because a mud puddle is where pond scum ought to sit.

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i'm on no ones side and for that, no one is on my side. on my side, there is only one side. there is no this country or that country, there is only fellow humans. i don't understand why people have to pick side to fight over about... do people from a block up the street fight with the people from the block on the south trying to say who is better?

we are ALL sheep! we have fallen dumb to each labeled lands government which is run by politicians. it will continue being this way until we the people learn to unite as a whole on a global scale and then all this turmoil will perish. New zealand is one of the most scenic places i know about. america has some of the worlds most beautiful wonders. people from both of these lands are warm, so why must we fight over governments with each other?

i'm sure you're a hell of a guy to have a beer with, russ. and i'm sure i could spend hours working with alltaken in a woodshop. we all would get along just fine without politicians. this whole thing is a cockfight and the sad reality of cockfights is the cocks fight each other for no other reason than not having a mind of their own. we're all of the same species, why do we have to treat ourselves like we're not? we should be a pack, united.

some of you might think i'm anti america from my posts if you don't know me well enough, but i'm not and i've never said that. all my life, i've lived in three countries, two of which are america and iran. i hate both governments with irans being at the top of the list. bunch of fukcing vultures trying to enforce their false islamic ways on hundreds of thousands of people. i'd kill em all, given the power to. now imagine i said that about the US, wouldn't that sound bad! no, not unless you think i'm an immigrant who should go back to where i came from. i feel the exact same way about politicians here.

anyway, we're all equals and should never want anything but the best for each other. no one is more important than another.

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FYB

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On one side, you have Alltaken, who is one of the most negative people I've seen on this forum. On the other side you have pretty much everyone else who just doesn't want to hear his baseless opinion that he bases upon his 200 friends who agree with everything he says.

It's quite simple.

80% of the western world doesn't think we're the aggressor and when you talk to people out in this world this is what they have to say: "George Bush is a Monkey. I hate him. He talks funny. He's stupid."

I'm not going to give that 2 seconds of my time.

If Iraq is the problem then it's because of patriotism and propaghanda. Each country hyped up their point of view in their press, almost to the point of absurdity. I broke this down before though and despite the USA's (and world's completely pathetic intelligence) it's fairly obvious that each country went in the direction of thier own best interest. In the USA's case you can argue the monetary reasons, but I think based upon what we knew at the time that it's safe to say that we were playing it better safe than sorry. In other country's situations they stood to lose 10's of Billions of dollars and thus were completely against the war. To them, they weren't worried about Iraq as much as losing the money since they must have felt that they were less of a target than the USA or Israel. It's very much like North Korea today where China could frankly care less since North Korea is not a threat to them. Why should they interfere in their neighbors business when it can only benefit them to stay out of it? In Iraq there were oil contracts, weapons contracts, and a great deal of corruption that benefited the biggest nay sayers of that war. Some of it has already been released and more is to come. Now if I was French I would look at this war as very bad for my country since I would lose about 70B of oil contracts, a large amount of weapons contracts, as well as any future stake in Iraq's commodities. Of course they're going to be against it. Nonetheless it's so easy to forget what it was like before the war. About 3 million people (iirc) died due to the sanctions. There wasn't a day that went by where allied forces in the no fly zones were either fired upon or had a radar installation activated on their position. There was an assasination attempt on the former President Bush. President Putin had informed us that Iraq was planning terrorist attacks against US targets both abroad and domestically. Iraq was not cooperating with any of the 2 dozen or so UN resolutions, let alone the cease fire. We had no way to account for those weapons and they weren't cooperating by either disclosing how they were destroyed, where they were, how they expired, or what other intentions they had, such as the nuclear weapon program that they had hidden away. They weren't giving us access to their scientists.

I could go on. We all know this though. It's just that some choose to ignore it.

You have to ask yourself whether you think more weapons inspections after 12 years would have helped. Another month maybe like the French wanted? We still wouldn't have found anything based on what we know now. We needed the Iraqi goverment to cooperate in order for this war to be avoided. Unfortionately they were being fed intelligence from the French that we were bluffing.

We weren't.

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Here we go again.

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Welcome to my Shed of Pleasure

You think that cooperation between countries is likely to be the current method used to resolve disputes, and you don't think that your an idealist!

This would be great in a perfect world, however that isn't the case and I'm sorry to say that I don't think that it's apt to be the case for quite some time. Until human beings become capable of achieving such common sense methods the world will need strong nations that are willing to fight for the freedoms of their fellow mankind. You should be glad that a democracy such as the US is that world power. Perhaps you would be happier with communism and then you wouldn't have to think for yourself nor would you be allowed to bad mouth your communist leaders and government.

Perhaps your country would like to be the one who sends their sons, daughters, fathers and mothers to fight in foreign lands for the freedoms of other peoples. Perhaps if you were one of the countries that loose thousands of their citizens in such wars you would have the knowledge to make such sarcastic and derogatory remarks.<b> You don't and You don't</b>.

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Alltaken's a bit of a knob
I wish he'd shut his big gob
He's politically shite
And intellectually light
And his mother is now on the job.

I'm the good time that was had by all

The present poet laureate was, I think, appointed wholly incorrectly..

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While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."




by John Prine

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where to, tee? perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out a country who’s government isn't corrupt so i could move there? Russ, you're an older man, i doubt you're oblivious to this, but there is no such thing.

or is it that i just shouldn't live here, there, there, and there? do you think you have the right to say where someone should live or move to? maybe you didn't understand the point i was trying to make because your reaction is the kind i get from rednecks.

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There once was a pervert named Wingding
Whose wife would just not suck his dingaling
So he gave Rich a golden shower
Then fu<b></b>cked him for an hour
Collapsed and said, "Now that's just what I was needing."

<font color=blue>War</font color=blue> <font color=orange>Eagle</font color=orange> 13-0!
"Sooner or later, I'll probably get what I deserve. I'll probably be dead and gone, but people will say, 'That mother was awesome.'" -Charles Barkley

That's origional, at least.....

It's no "Old Mrs. Phillips" though..... [shrug]




Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

"We have a firm commitment to NATO. We are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
- John F. Kerry

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You think alot like I do. I believe that countries will become obsolete someday... there HAS to be a more truthful and efficient type of government than what we are using now.

But yet humans have tribal instincts deeply ingrained in us. Just look at Teetewl, he gets so pissed off when someone insults his government, even tho he probably has almost nothing to do with that government other than voting and doing tax returns. So in reality he has no control over that government, and yet he takes the criticism personally... I personally dont think that the land mass you are born on has anything to do with anything.

ANd I agree that the politicians are the problem. A bunch of fat white old men. Humans get stubborn and stuck in their old ways with age and even tho I agree that wisdom comes with experience, with the amount of money and power these people hold that i bet wisdom has nothing to do with it (other than wise ways to line ones pockets).

I see politicians as professional liars and not much more. And journalists USED to pride themselves in delivering the news (I have a friend whos a freelance journalist and hes disgusted with the state of the media nowadays) but now its just ratings and sensationalism. I cant trust ANYTHIGN I see on TV anymore so i stopped watching it.

This is why I take a "dont know" stance now. And I think it would be better if most people did, beacuse you probably dont!!!

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sorry? i actually know all this.

i don't have a view of the world as a fluffly pillow.

the thing is, if everyone "gives in" and accepts the current norm as the way it will always be, then you may as well kill yourself then and their. you need to have a goal of things getting better (whether it will come true or not) otherwise you will become as bad as the people you dislike.

the first person to stand down in an argument somtimes wins, not through making a point, but by displaying their responsible actions, 9this goes with pick your battles wisely, because some battles are necisary i must admit)

i can only coment on what is happening now, and who i feel is being positive or negative in these times, (or in the past) its purly subjective.

however from these views of what is happening you can estimate a future, I personally do not want a future like how it is heading right now.

you know the movie gattaka? (or is it a c i forget)
well that movie was a prophesy, it was an estimation of the future based on what was happening and emerging then. scarily many things in that movie are coming more and more real. i know it was only made 8 years ago, but a lot has changed towards the outcomes.

if you know your future, you can change it. but why don't we? its because humans are stupid. everyone gets jobs for money and never looks at the moral values of what they do, nobody is accountable for what the organisation as a whole does.

its not the accountants fault the manager threatened to fire him if he didn't make things add up, its not the managers fault for being told he needs to earn 10% more this year for the stock holders....

nobody is accountable for their actions, the big bad machine runs with only 1% of people being bad.


its EVERYONE's responsibility to stop that and make things, better, but thats easier said than done, i know that. but its a challenge. and i like a challenge.

its the people doing stupid stuff that ruins it for everyone else. the patriot act for example was created as a result of destructive actions, but it ends up removing the rights of everyone, not just those who are causing the problems.

you want a world like that? i certainly don't so i will NEVER accept it as the way it will be forever. i can accept it is a reality, but i will not accept i am helpless to do anything about my little corner of the world. enough people thinking positivly can change a lot of stuff.

Alltaken

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Not a bad attempt for someone with your obvious impairments.

I'm the good time that was had by all

Arnold! yeah, look at him! heh heh heh. he's a politician too, though.

i love you all, just not the politician sides of you all. i like russ, and you. i hope you guys don't feel like i'm trying to attack you. in my previous post to you, where i said something about a redneck reaction, i wasn't saying you are one, i was comparing the responses.

like both phial and i have been saying, we just don't believe where you're born should make any difference. i'm from earth and i hate the fact that i'm limited to where i can go.

i always found it amusing how the first immigrants came to this land called america for their independence and freedom then turned around and killed the natives and took their land and freedom. nowadays, its as if no such thing ever happened and i see people with no native blood flowing through their veins get more riled up than the actual natives in discussions about american government... weird!

anyway, i seriously don't care what so-called land i step on, my set of beliefs tell me i can go where i wish and since there is no type of government that supports this, i'm against all of them.


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alright mister! no more sheetos for you!

</font color=red><b><font color=orange>I believe in my penis, it has the power to create life.

sheetos?... what the hell are you talking about? what are sheetos and why are you asking me what they are?

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